LIVE GAME Round 2 versus Eels

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T.May is the buy of the year…he is by far much better than anything Stephanie ever produced for us…..Twal and Seyfarth are at best fringe first graders I want to see them replaced…..we need to buy two or 3 more aggressive forwards ….i think we are passable in the backs, especially when Naden returns
 
Something is amiss with Samuela Fainu…..he has had a poor start to the season…looks disinterested, doesn’t run with any intent….todays stats…58m on only 5 runs…led the missed tackle count with 5….last week he was just as poor
he looks undernourished ,crook ,lethargic, disinterested,or is the hairdo
 
Something is amiss with Samuela Fainu…..he has had a poor start to the season…looks disinterested, doesn’t run with any intent….todays stats…58m on only 5 runs…led the missed tackle count with 5….last week he was just as poor
Yep if he does it again needs to be dropped to bench.

Sorry but had 1 run in 35 minutes. It was 40 degrees and he was on the shade side. Should of got a blast.
 
Long Read: 4 minutes on attacking structures

There has been a bit of chat about how flat our attack is. While I agree that it doesn’t look pretty, I expect it is the foundation of what Benji is trying to build. While we aren’t there yet, I think I can see where he is headed with it

Playing a “Flat 4” is all about short passing options, quick ball movement, direct running and engaging defenders in tight spaces. It is about everyone pushing up to create and exploit opportunities. It works well against a compressed defence, so a quick PTB is a key enabler. You can expect to see teams really try to slow down our PTB speed as we develop this style of attack.

The biggest weakness of this type of attack is that it can be shut down by a rushing defence. While this is a weakness, it also provides attacking opportunities for guys like Luai and Galvin who tend to play what they see. If opportunities present, they can potentially pick the rushing defence apart.

Yesterday we saw, in the last ten minutes of the first half and for a lot of the second, what unstructured attacking players can achieve when working within a framework. Players always pushing up, running holes and trying to make an opportunity from nothing.

I know Sam F and the Baby Giraffe are looking lazy in attack– but I don’t think they are. It is hard to see on the TV, but I am pretty sure that they are running the lines that allow our unstructured players to compete. What I mean is they, and others, are providing the structure that allows a “Flat 4” attack to work.

They may only be getting the ball once or twice but that is based on the selection made by their halves partner. Their job is to run lines at spaces, and always be pushing up on the play. If the space that they are running at is filled because it draws someone across, they have created an opportunity for exploitation elsewhere. If the defence then starts to lay off them, they have also created an opportunity. They will get more ball as they, and the system, mature together.

This type of attack takes time to bed in and even more time to perfect, but can look like poetry in motion when it all comes together and everyone is pushing up. Skelton’s try off the kick is an example of it; not a great one but we are developing. AD’s kick for the Galvin try, while coming from broken play, is an example of what can happen with structure; ie everyone is pushing up on the inside even though they were in no position to support directly.

This is the type of play we see from several teams in the red zone. However, for the most part, in the middle third of the field we are used to seeing players standing deep behind the ball, players in motion, and lots of block plays to try and create opportunity. When executed well it is very effective, but it gives the defence time to slide off and nullify the attack. Most defensive structures are designed around handling this type of attack.

Our attack appears to be what Benji wants to develop as our key point of difference. Anyone else hear “Tigers DNA”?

It is early days, and it looks clunky, as players are adapting to it – plenty of players in the right place but at the wrong time and guys, like Sam F, not getting into the game in attack. Frustrating to watch; but I for one am very keen to see where this goes in a few weeks. This is a much more complex attacking structure to get right and will take time to develop properly. I expect we will see someone youthful overplay his hand again as we develop, but that in itself won’t be a bad thing – we appear to be a learning side.

If we get it right we will trouble plenty of teams. If we don’t, it is going to look like we have no idea what we are doing and we will look impotent in attack. We tried to play this style of footy with Brooks as a half – remember the hospital and no look passes with poor kick choices and sets that just fizzled out? Round peg/square hole.

I think Romey and Galvin are square pegs – this could become exciting!
 
Long Read: 4 minutes on attacking structures

There has been a bit of chat about how flat our attack is. While I agree that it doesn’t look pretty, I expect it is the foundation of what Benji is trying to build. While we aren’t there yet, I think I can see where he is headed with it

Playing a “Flat 4” is all about short passing options, quick ball movement, direct running and engaging defenders in tight spaces. It is about everyone pushing up to create and exploit opportunities. It works well against a compressed defence, so a quick PTB is a key enabler. You can expect to see teams really try to slow down our PTB speed as we develop this style of attack.

The biggest weakness of this type of attack is that it can be shut down by a rushing defence. While this is a weakness, it also provides attacking opportunities for guys like Luai and Galvin who tend to play what they see. If opportunities present, they can potentially pick the rushing defence apart.

Yesterday we saw, in the last ten minutes of the first half and for a lot of the second, what unstructured attacking players can achieve when working within a framework. Players always pushing up, running holes and trying to make an opportunity from nothing.

I know Sam F and the Baby Giraffe are looking lazy in attack– but I don’t think they are. It is hard to see on the TV, but I am pretty sure that they are running the lines that allow our unstructured players to compete. What I mean is they, and others, are providing the structure that allows a “Flat 4” attack to work.

They may only be getting the ball once or twice but that is based on the selection made by their halves partner. Their job is to run lines at spaces, and always be pushing up on the play. If the space that they are running at is filled because it draws someone across, they have created an opportunity for exploitation elsewhere. If the defence then starts to lay off them, they have also created an opportunity. They will get more ball as they, and the system, mature together.

This type of attack takes time to bed in and even more time to perfect, but can look like poetry in motion when it all comes together and everyone is pushing up. Skelton’s try off the kick is an example of it; not a great one but we are developing. AD’s kick for the Galvin try, while coming from broken play, is an example of what can happen with structure; ie everyone is pushing up on the inside even though they were in no position to support directly.

This is the type of play we see from several teams in the red zone. However, for the most part, in the middle third of the field we are used to seeing players standing deep behind the ball, players in motion, and lots of block plays to try and create opportunity. When executed well it is very effective, but it gives the defence time to slide off and nullify the attack. Most defensive structures are designed around handling this type of attack.

Our attack appears to be what Benji wants to develop as our key point of difference. Anyone else hear “Tigers DNA”?

It is early days, and it looks clunky, as players are adapting to it – plenty of players in the right place but at the wrong time and guys, like Sam F, not getting into the game in attack. Frustrating to watch; but I for one am very keen to see where this goes in a few weeks. This is a much more complex attacking structure to get right and will take time to develop properly. I expect we will see someone youthful overplay his hand again as we develop, but that in itself won’t be a bad thing – we appear to be a learning side.

If we get it right we will trouble plenty of teams. If we don’t, it is going to look like we have no idea what we are doing and we will look impotent in attack. We tried to play this style of footy with Brooks as a half – remember the hospital and no look passes with poor kick choices and sets that just fizzled out? Round peg/square hole.

I think Romey and Galvin are square pegs – this could become exciting!
An intelligent and insightful post, with actual knowledge of attacking structures, you will be crucified here.
 
Long Read: 4 minutes on attacking structures

There has been a bit of chat about how flat our attack is. While I agree that it doesn’t look pretty, I expect it is the foundation of what Benji is trying to build. While we aren’t there yet, I think I can see where he is headed with it

Playing a “Flat 4” is all about short passing options, quick ball movement, direct running and engaging defenders in tight spaces. It is about everyone pushing up to create and exploit opportunities. It works well against a compressed defence, so a quick PTB is a key enabler. You can expect to see teams really try to slow down our PTB speed as we develop this style of attack.

The biggest weakness of this type of attack is that it can be shut down by a rushing defence. While this is a weakness, it also provides attacking opportunities for guys like Luai and Galvin who tend to play what they see. If opportunities present, they can potentially pick the rushing defence apart.

Yesterday we saw, in the last ten minutes of the first half and for a lot of the second, what unstructured attacking players can achieve when working within a framework. Players always pushing up, running holes and trying to make an opportunity from nothing.

I know Sam F and the Baby Giraffe are looking lazy in attack– but I don’t think they are. It is hard to see on the TV, but I am pretty sure that they are running the lines that allow our unstructured players to compete. What I mean is they, and others, are providing the structure that allows a “Flat 4” attack to work.

They may only be getting the ball once or twice but that is based on the selection made by their halves partner. Their job is to run lines at spaces, and always be pushing up on the play. If the space that they are running at is filled because it draws someone across, they have created an opportunity for exploitation elsewhere. If the defence then starts to lay off them, they have also created an opportunity. They will get more ball as they, and the system, mature together.

This type of attack takes time to bed in and even more time to perfect, but can look like poetry in motion when it all comes together and everyone is pushing up. Skelton’s try off the kick is an example of it; not a great one but we are developing. AD’s kick for the Galvin try, while coming from broken play, is an example of what can happen with structure; ie everyone is pushing up on the inside even though they were in no position to support directly.

This is the type of play we see from several teams in the red zone. However, for the most part, in the middle third of the field we are used to seeing players standing deep behind the ball, players in motion, and lots of block plays to try and create opportunity. When executed well it is very effective, but it gives the defence time to slide off and nullify the attack. Most defensive structures are designed around handling this type of attack.

Our attack appears to be what Benji wants to develop as our key point of difference. Anyone else hear “Tigers DNA”?

It is early days, and it looks clunky, as players are adapting to it – plenty of players in the right place but at the wrong time and guys, like Sam F, not getting into the game in attack. Frustrating to watch; but I for one am very keen to see where this goes in a few weeks. This is a much more complex attacking structure to get right and will take time to develop properly. I expect we will see someone youthful overplay his hand again as we develop, but that in itself won’t be a bad thing – we appear to be a learning side.

If we get it right we will trouble plenty of teams. If we don’t, it is going to look like we have no idea what we are doing and we will look impotent in attack. We tried to play this style of footy with Brooks as a half – remember the hospital and no look passes with poor kick choices and sets that just fizzled out? Round peg/square hole.

I think Romey and Galvin are square pegs – this could become exciting!
Thanks Jolls. I’ll bookmark that one for later on. 👍🏻
 
That game against the sharks felt like a bit of an ambush last year . Wasn’t it round 3 because we got lapped round 2 after the bye ?
I also think a big issue last year was injuries , and the team this year seems fitter , and has more balance with TDS, hunt and bird off the bench . The team is much better than last year . But they need to work hard on sharpening those plays and getting them closer to the ad line , because you’re right , they’re not going to be able to execute against the better sides if they don’t .
I just feel like last year we needed everything to be perfect to win a football match . I don’t get that feeling with this team. But that’s not to say I’m content with the performance . I’m happy with it . But we need to be better, and strive for perfection.
💯 let’s gooooooo!!!
 
Something is amiss with Samuela Fainu…..he has had a poor start to the season…looks disinterested, doesn’t run with any intent….todays stats…58m on only 5 runs…led the missed tackle count with 5….last week he was just as poor
I know it's early, but he's conceded the most pens in the comp so far:1742158154058.png
 
The only player I was disappointed in yesterday was Sam Fainu. He looked very unfit, uninterested or both. Started to get into the game close to the end. Hunt had a massive game compared to his usual contribution. His form and his time on the paddock look promising.
 
A huge effort by Royce chasing to stop a pass back in side,
Plays like that show how the boys are putting in for each other.
It's inspiring.

When they scored and I saw the disappointment on Seyfarths face....I was expecting the commentary to say something like "we fought to the final seconds to keep them out...shows how much it means to them" etc as we've heard before...but nah not cronk the little turd...true colours come thru
 
The only player I was disappointed in yesterday was Sam Fainu. He looked very unfit, uninterested or both. Started to get into the game close to the end. Hunt had a massive game compared to his usual contribution. His form and his time on the paddock look promising.
Last year he was the WTs player of the year. He started well then dropped away towards the end of the season. Hopefully he’s does the opposite this year
 
A win is always better than a loss and I'll take the hit in the footy tipping comp by not tipping them.

Did anyone else see the bearded lady Wests Tigers supporter at the southern end of the field?
 

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