Which shows that our purchasing has been poor. I had no idea we paid so much for a declining Klemmer. Bateman worried me as he had just one good season at Canberra, and surely Naden didn't learn brain farts at WT. And Sullivan was a poor choice with Galvin in the wings and wanting Luai, just oversubscribed in the halves. Rookie errors.
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BlackWhiteGold
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That’s where as a club, the coaches need to do better in developing these guys to help them with their deficiencies whether skill or fitness related.
BAGNF05
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I think we have a bloke who masters in passive techniques.
BAGNF05
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Tries hard seems to be the consensus. Funny I’m watching other wingers perform miracles.
BAGNF05
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First grade coaches shouldn’t be teaching too many basics, that’s a failing of your pathways system.
BAGNF05
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Prior to Richo our signings were based more on availability than need, we all know that.
Just like our coaches who never blow up about the refs. How passive is that. Have a go for fs.
Halbrowne61
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I read where Broncos have that one eyed maniac MaGuire and he had a session on the mat with Adam Reynolds to see if he was ready to play the other night !
Our guys would disappear into the night if they had to face him.
BlackWhiteGold
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Interesting take on our marker defence from Reni Matua.
Halbrowne61
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Now that’s an astute observation but obviously not from our own coaches !
Jolls
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Good read from him on one of our defensive issues; I'm sure he could have gone into much more depth.
He is right to pull that simple structural issue up - it is the first step in building pressure. It starts at the markers, but there are so many other basics we aren't doing.
While we are looking at the basics of the defensive game (remembering we are talking about NRL level players here) why are we not turning towards the ball. It was interesting to watch in the warm ups; the defence would move forward and then turn as one towards the ball movement to keep pressure on the attack. In addition to that it turns you naturally towards any play that comes back against the grain. Simple stuff; should be second nature.
They practiced it in the warm ups, they obviously do it at training as well. It is simple methodology for maintaining inside pressure, pushing the play makers across the field and setting yourself for the drop or turn back inside. All this happens by simply getting into a position to be somewhere near where the ball will be for the next play.
Did it happen during the game - I watched hard and didn't notice it. Same with line speed - simply lacking.
Sure we can have a go at the coaching - but they aren't executing what they train. Why, given we are talking basics, aren't they executing what is trained? Where are the standards being set and why aren't the senior players correcting the kids? I know, they aren't leading by example!
It is these basics that are letting us down; until they become natural what hope have we got of doing the 1%ers?
Wasn’t it the A defenders Nofo blamed for his poor defence?
Hello. He wasn’t wrong was he.
It might be done at Training. But are we certain that in training they are simulating the actual expected speed of play of the game?
I think all of the above is an example of our team / individuals not being fit enough on their feet in game.
At marker in the example was Sezer who has just come back from ESL. There is no way the speed of play in ESL is as fast as the NRL.
For the last couple of years we look off the pace because we are.
Jolls
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You raise a good point about fitness; while it is probably an element I think attitude is the problem. We can do it. There are games that we have pulled together several elements: good kick, great kick chase, line speed etc. A couple of these games have resulted in wins - but for the most part we either drop off in intensity due to fitness, mindset, stupid mistakes or discipline and it goes out the window at crucial stages.
The real issue is that this is not NRL level finessing of defence it is the fundamentals. I can live with the Galvin turning in a few times as he lacks confidence and experience; but it drives me mad when we don't do the basics that you are taught from about u15's.
Are they overwhelmed by how much they are trying to change? Morris isn't a dope and Klemmer, Api and Bateman have all played at international level. If they nail the little things and make them normal then the season changing issues can be dealt with.
I'm sure that the coaches are frustrated as much of this falls on the player leadership as the poor stuff they walk past is the standard they are accepting.
I am no football expert but I see that interview and ppls comments and wonder what the fk are we doing and how we can't get the basics right. How does this happen?
Tucker
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He was correct.
It was that he was publicly shaming team mates whilst trying to absolve his own faults that pissed us off.
tigerballs
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It's attitude. Good teams, when in possession, go forward. When nothing is on, the default is go forward at pace. Take the line on, just go forward and hard. Poor teams wander sideways or walk into the line or jump around pretending to be elusive but not threatening to run hard.
Same in defence. Mark your man and hit him. Don't fall for a dummy. Commit. We don't commit and we don't hit. If your man draws and passes late, hit him anyway otherwise he'll do it all day.
Jolls
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Exactly, the first rule should be to win the collision, on both sides of the ball. That is all about attitude. I rate them as:
- Pole has it, most of the time,
- Api has it (for his size) but uses deception as opposed to body weight.
- Stef can do it, but chooses to only do it sometimes,
- Klemmer has it sometimes but has really dropped off,
- ICE can do it if he is set up but had given up the effort, interesting to see what the rest has done for him,
- Sam F has it on both sides of the ball, but still needs to work on his lateral defence,
- Seyfath has it but lacks size for his role,
- Bateman tries to use footwork to skip the collision in attack but is usually OK in Defence,
- Sezer doesn't have it any more in attack, but can defend OK except for the hip drop,
- Galvin can do it, but not consistently - especially in Defence,
- Olam has it (when fit),
- Toa has it and has footwork to go woth it - he only produces it occasionally though.
- AD has it with ball in hand when he wants to - but can't tackle,
- Naden has it, but fades in and out of games and also his discipline is a big issue.
- Staines lacks it but can cover ground if set up and does go well in Defence for his size,
- LL has it at times but is very young and prone to big errors and some bad defensive misses,
- Bula has a go but could do with a bit more upper body strength,
- Twal doesn't have it,
- Matamua doesn't show it but uses his footwork at the line to avoid it in attack- defence is average,
- Sione F has it most of the time, but can be lazy with his lateral Defence,
- Latu F is too early to tell and I suspect he has it but doesn't have the timing right yet,
- TDS is in the same boat as Api in attack but needs to improve his Defence - this will come.
- Luai and Taruva have it so a plus for 2025.
Gotta reach that salary floor no matter what. Whoever wins the WT lottery gets paid quadruple what they're worth, just by being available and the NRL bending over to the players association.
