Russian invasion of Ukraine

trentrunciman said:
Ukraine we’re very unlikely to join NATO but that doesn’t mean the “carrot” wasn’t dangled by the west. That’s one of the main reasons for this casus belli
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formerguest said:
It's all wrong, including our country profiting on the back of the bombarded sick and starving in Yemen by selling military equipment to the Saudis.

Britain is probably the worst as they have long been a haven for dark Russian money and the response from their PM in parliament this week has been laughable, apart from the lies.
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Yeah agreed it’s all pretty bad man
 
Kul said:
Yes.
Very Estonian.

If he moved to Australia then it’s extremely likely that he knew my grandfather.
What was his surname?
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I honestly have no idea it was so very long ago i am now almost 70 and i would have met him in my first job when i was working in a bank.His story has stuck in my mind ever since
 
Earl said:
There is no excuse for invading the Ukraine and stopping Ukraine from joining NATO is a terrible excuse.

This is a simple matter of a crazy autocratic dictator invading another country because he doesn't want to look bad because his country is a mess.

The support from the usual right wing morons astounds me. That includes Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and Fox news.
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I’ve already replied why from a Russian perspective they have a reason to invade/liberate

Putin isn’t a crazy autocratic dictator. I think he is one of the smartest and most pragmatic leaders around atm. I’m just stating facts man.
 
The RAN could put at the very least one Hobart class AWD off Odessa to intercept missiles, why are we not doing this?!
 
twentyforty said:
That’s a nice thought Cobar, but I think for many of the political class, they are caught in a continual game of oneupmanship in which the lives of innocent people are disregarded.
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20/40, many years ago when I was in the military we used to get security briefs on world political and military situations and this was forecasted well before Ukrainian independence.
You would be surprised by how many billions of dollars Putin has at his disposal to spend on weapons.
As I said before, there are parts of his country that lack the basic necessities of living.
 
jadtiger said:
I honestly have no idea it was so very long ago i am now almost 70 and i would have met him in my first job when i was working in a bank.His story has stuck in my mind ever since
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It’s sadly like the the story of many people forced to flee the Russians.

Many, many people didn’t make it.
Including a good chunk of my family.

Russian tyrany and opression is something that’s engrained in us. Most peope laugh it off but I guess that’s changed in the last 24 hours. Fortunately (or unfortunately) my family have taught me their lived experience of their ruthlessness.
 
trentrunciman said:
I’ve already replied why from a Russian perspective they have a reason to invade/liberate

Putin isn’t a crazy autocratic dictator. I think he is one of the smartest and most pragmatic leaders around atm. I’m just stating facts man.
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I don't see anything pragmatic about invading a neighbour because they are exercising their sovereignty as a nation. While they appear to proclaim that their economy is not vulnerable to Western sanctions, their stock market collapse would suggest otherwise so I am not sure he's as smart as he thinks he is either (although I concede there's plenty of time for it to recover, or seek support from the likes of China.)

I felt the same about the US/Western invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as well. It's just Russian imperalism for a change.
 
Kul said:
The RAN could put at the very least one Hobart class AWD off Odessa to intercept missiles, why are we not doing this?!
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We cannot do it alone, but I certainly agree with your sentiment.

There is a lot of history there, but most importantly is that Ukraine agreed to give up it's strongest military deterrent of a nuclear arsenal three decades ago, such on the basis of assurances given by those both east and west of them that is currently being violated.
 
Like in any "asymmetrical war", as the US, USSR, China learned in Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq "it is not over, until is over".
The occupation of the territory means nothing, and is only the first phase of war, as the guerrilla war starts. In this type of war the technical supremacy means noting, especially as the guerrilla forces will be locally and internationally supported with intel, shelter, food, and weapons. As coffins/ body bags start arriving, Russia's will to fight "someone else's war" will be questioned. Ukrainians have a very strong motive to fight as their homes and their lives are threatened, so IMHO, the aggressor will always loose - but be prepared for a long war.
 
Cultured_Bogan said:
I don't see anything pragmatic about invading a neighbour because they are exercising their sovereignty as a nation. While they appear to proclaim that their economy is not vulnerable to Western sanctions, their stock market collapse would suggest otherwise so I am not sure he's as smart as he thinks he is either (although I concede there's plenty of time for it to recover, or seek support from the likes of China.)

I felt the same about the US/Western invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as well. It's just Russian imperalism for a change.
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But that’s what I’ve just mentioned in another post CB in 2014 there was a US backed coup resulting in a US selected administration in the ukraine. A culmination of western interference. There’s a few videos of Biden, Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon et Al saying the funding they give Ukraine. I’ll see if I can find it
 
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Putin has timed his run well
A weakened French President
A new German Chancellor
British PM under seige for party gate
NATO and Europe won't do much
Biden well as useless as Carter was, he won't do anything
Australia - we are pretty irrelevant to Russia we won't do much and elections happening
China will join in soon and have a crack at Taiwan
Then we will have issues
 
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