Sack him Now

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Upon examination of the posts in this thread, the wilful ignorance many contain and the vitriol with which they are delivered, some will understand that the validity of my post has been demonstrated within.

That's what I like to see,telling it like it is…...don't hold back NT..... :wink:

and that old crowd favourite,

"things aren't as bad as they look, and I've got the Stats that prove it,"

Ohh i love that one, one of my all time favorites.

 

[stryker]

Then you , JT , and a few other remaining stalwarts , can congregate and sing songs to each other about ", "We are on the right track", " winning doesn't matter" and that old crowd favourite,
"things aren't as bad as they look, and I've got the Stats that prove it,"

I don't know if they'll sing mate. Probably just set up a skype session circle jerk.

 

[TrueTiger]

:imp:

Then you , JT , and a few other remaining stalwarts , can congregate and sing songs to each other about ", "We are on the right track", " winning doesn't matter" and that old crowd favourite,
"things aren't as bad as they look, and I've got the Stats that prove it,"

I don't know if they'll sing mate. Probably just set up a skype session circle jerk.

Stryker,why don't you go and teach at negativity school,you are the perfect graduate..no margin for errors or no margin for improvement that takes time …you want everything yesterday..fmd,why would you follow a great team like ours just to give negative input on every thread that has been posted..wake up and smell the roses ..lit won't be like this all the time,just have faith,it will all come to fruition in the end,just try and be positive,its not that hard...

 

[stryker]

Lol you call this a great team yet several times have said half the side isn't first grade standard. Which is it?

You can't keep calling every season a "rebuilding year". We've had a huge amount of them since 05\. Stop making excuses. This squad has enough talent to be playing better than they are. Open your eyes and actually watch what is going on.

On our books we have:
a current NSW hooker and at times captain who is also a former test rake,
a current NSW and test starting prop
a current NZ back rower
a former NSW and test prop
a former test Centre
the 2014 dally M rookie of the year
two current Samoan international representatives
Nofo was also selected for Samoa but pulled out through injury
a Fijian international representative
a former man of steel recipient in the UK super league
a fullback destined to make many Origin and Test appearances and has played international footy for Italy
a young second rower who is a City Origin representative
a 5/8 with untapped potential
an ex NZ international on the bench
fringe players like Akaoula, Fine, Luani, Lulia and Santi who have all played International footy
and good upcoming reserves like Ava, Lodge and Cherrington.

Whilst I agree some are at the end of their careers and some are at the start, there is more than enough big game experience and talent present to have done better this year than they have….but feel free to continue making excuses for them. I'm sure they appreciate it.

 

[tig_prmz]

Lol you call this a great team yet several times have said half the side isn't first grade standard. Which is it?

You can't keep calling every season a "rebuilding year". We've had a huge amount of them since 05\. Stop making excuses. This squad has enough talent to be playing better than they are. Open your eyes and actually watch what is going on.

On our books we have:
a current NSW hooker and at times captain who is also a former test rake,
a current NSW and test starting prop
a current NZ back rower
a former NSW and test prop
a former test Centre
the 2014 dally M rookie of the year
two current Samoan international representatives
Nofo was also selected for Samoa but pulled out through injury
a Fijian international representative
a former man of steel recipient in the UK super league
a fullback destined to make many Origin and Test appearances and has played international footy for Italy
a young second rower who is a City Origin representative
a 5/8 with untapped potential
an ex NZ international on the bench
and good upcoming reserves like Ava and Cherrington.

Whilst I agree some are at the end of their careers and some are at the start, there is more than enough big game experience and talent present to have done better this year than they have….but feel free to continue making excuses for them. I'm sure they appreciate it.

reckon you could do this for every team
for e.g. knights

former origin captain for several series
former origin wingers
samoan international
current origin winger/center
former origin half
country halfback
origin and test second rowers
kiwi international lock

there is enough experience, youth, speed etc.
etc etc etc

this is a very even competition. could we have done better? yes definitely but so could have other teams.
do we need an overhaul if we get a wooden spoon? not completely because we have already gotten one this. as you said we have been re building for a few years, let's just keep re building instead of starting a new "re build"

 

[stryker]

I dont think this comp is as even as some would have you think. The difference between how the top teams have played all season long to how the bottom have is huge.

 

[stevetiger]

Whilst I agree some are at the end of their careers and some are at the start, there is more than enough big game experience and talent present to have done better this year than they have….but feel free to continue making excuses for them. I'm sure they appreciate it.

I don't believe our roster is that bad. We lack pace in our outside backs however we don't have a terrible roster.

If we were playing to our ability and giving it a real shot I'd be happy. In stating that I think JT has gone away from the terrible footy that we were playing earlier in the season. On the flip side I think that footy lost us games.

JT needs to improve significantly. If the terrible coaching continues next year then he has to go and the club needs to learn from this experience. A coach cannot be signed without a method to sack him if he is obviously under performing.

Moving on from the coaching stuff-ups JT also needs to have some help with the media. He comes across as delusional plus he hangs crap on other coaches when he should be looking at himself.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Ive said it repeatedly, i think our squad is fine.

There is enough talent to win more games.

Unfortunately when you allegiance is to Taylor the most obvious excuse is to blame the squad.

Same squad by the way that the majority of the rugby league world excited about this year, many tipping top 8 finish, everyone thinking they would improve.

When your core is Farah, Brooks, Moses, Tedesco, Taupau, Sirro, Sue, Simona and Nofoaluma youve got the basis of a very exciting team.

If the coach then adds plodders like Buchanan, Lovett, Santi, Hoeter, Malone and doesnt make anyone accountable for poor poor ie Richards and Galloway you get an environment where losing is acceptable.

Bottom line is with the talent in the squad we shouldnt be having close to our worst ever attacking year. We understand the focus on defense, we want it too but this is too good a squad to not be able to score points.

 

[larrycorowa]

The squad has talent but is inexperienced and we have no depth, especially in some positions that we have suffered some injuries. Simona has only completed a handful of games, Farah has been out for an extended period as has Sirro and Nofoaluma….so of the 10 players you have listed only 5 have played all season. With injuries and our lack of depth Taylor has been forced to use players not up to NRL standard.

Our first pick team is competitive, our second tier players that you have mentioned get exposed. So i would say our squad is not fine....our second tier players would not make the top 25 in any other side. THere are several games where our losses can be almost attributed to our second tier players getting exposed Hoeter v Titans, Lovett v Roosters, Panthers etc.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

The squad has talent but is inexperienced and we have no depth, especially in some positions that we have suffered some injuries. Simona has only completed a handful of games, Farah has been out for an extended period as has Sirro and Nofoaluma….so of the 10 players you have listed only 5 have played all season. With injuries and our lack of depth Taylor has been forced to use players not up to NRL standard.

Our first pick team is competitive, our second tier players that you have mentioned get exposed. So i would say our squad is not fine....our second tier players would not make the top 25 in any other side. THere are several games where our losses can be almost attributed to our second tier players getting exposed Hoeter v Titans, Lovett v Roosters, Panthers etc.

Larry i understand where you are coming from. Its true to an extent, however im critical of the choice of second tier players. I believe there are better more NRL ready replacements that havent been used this year.

Take for example a guy like Asepili Fine, he is a solid footballer who would not find himself as exposed as Lovett.

Try Keith Luilia, yeah yeah i know he is nothing special but to choose Malone and Hoeter who have been seriously exposed over this guy who is solid and would hold down a position until the top player returns is a mistake.

Its all a matter of opinion and it seems to come down to your opinion of Taylor as to how you look at it.

 

[larrycorowa]

Lulia was horrendous last year and i suspect that several of these NSW Cup guys like Fine etc. must not be showing the desired application/attitude at training.

When our first choice players are out….the alternatives aren't very attractive whatever way Taylor chooses to go. Bottom line is the squad lacks depth and I don't think you can blame Taylor for this.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Lulia was horrendous last year and i suspect that several of these NSW Cup guys like Fine etc. must not be showing the desired application/attitude at training.

When our first choice players are out….the alternatives aren't very attractive whatever way Taylor chooses to go. Bottom line is the squad lacks depth and I don't think you can blame Taylor for this.

If youre going to blindly support the coach thats cool.

Enjoy the ride :wink:

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Every team needs a player like Fine. I am very surprised with the difficulties we have had this year he has not been given an opportunity.

 

[larrycorowa]

Lulia was horrendous last year and i suspect that several of these NSW Cup guys like Fine etc. must not be showing the desired application/attitude at training.

When our first choice players are out….the alternatives aren't very attractive whatever way Taylor chooses to go. Bottom line is the squad lacks depth and I don't think you can blame Taylor for this.

If youre going to blindly support the coach thats cool.

Enjoy the ride :wink:

Just cause i don't agree with you its no need to belittle my opinion. If Taylor doesn't produce tangible improvement next season he will lose my support. I just don't think sacking a coach in the first year of a three year contract is sensible.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Lulia was horrendous last year and i suspect that several of these NSW Cup guys like Fine etc. must not be showing the desired application/attitude at training.

When our first choice players are out….the alternatives aren't very attractive whatever way Taylor chooses to go. Bottom line is the squad lacks depth and I don't think you can blame Taylor for this.

If youre going to blindly support the coach thats cool.

Enjoy the ride :wink:

Just cause i don't agree with you its no need to belittle my opinion. If Taylor doesn't produce tangible improvement next season he will lose my support. I just don't think sacking a coach in the first year of a three year contract is sensible.

No one is belittling your opinion, i was saying each to their own mate.

Or is this about other posts in other threads?

If so let us know and ill see what i can do about this belittling of your opinion.

 

[larrycorowa]

I put an argument forward that our lack of depth has much to do with our poor season and you put this down to my blind support for Taylor. I think your objectiveness gets compromised by your dislike of Taylor.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

I put an argument forward that our lack of depth has much to do with our poor season and you put this down to my blind support for Taylor. I think your objectiveness gets compromised by your dislike of Taylor.

I put an argument forward that its not so much a lack of depth but the incorrect choice of the reserve grade players and you just flat out refused to consider it.

Pot, kettle black.

 

[larrycorowa]

I never belittled you though mate….that's the difference....just put forward a different argument.You think putting Lulia in for Hoeter or Milone would have changed our season?

 

[Guest]

I never belittled you though mate….that's the difference....just put forward a different argument.You think putting Lulia in for Hoeter or Milone would have changed our season?

It wouldn't have. Quite frankly our depth sucks and we have few players who can step to FG.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

I never belittled you though mate….that's the difference....just put forward a different argument.You think putting Lulia in for Hoeter or Milone would have changed our season?

Sorry if thats how it come across, i was just hitting back at you just completely ignoring Fine and Luilia as being a little more suitable as fill ins than the ones used.

As for them making a difference, i seriously doubt it would be a noticeable difference on the ladder. We may however have held structure and been a little more competitive with the two of them in the team.

I get itthough, Taylor is in his first year at a new club, is trying to change culture, has salary cap concerns hanging over his selections and wants more than anything to stamp his mark on the club.

Im fairly confident given a couple of years we will all look back and see that the use of Lovett, Santi, Malone and Hoeter used as a centre were part of the teething issues Taylor had in his first year.

Given the same time frame Lulia will be long gone but Fine will be damn solid first grader. Hopefully with our club.