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Tiger_In_The_Gong
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@liltiger said:
Good post, heres hoping for a performance based clause in his contract.
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Good post, heres hoping for a performance based clause in his contract.
@supercoach said:
Unfortunately we are in a very vicious circle. We can't attract a half decent roster whilst Taylor is coach. Which player is his right mind would want to join Wests Tigers whilst Taylor is coach? Taylor has already been behind a few of our most promising players leaving the club this year.
foreveratiger
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Well what in the Hell did Potter do wrong last year to not deserve an extension ?
Was Farah the love child of the board and for that reason got rid of Potter to please Farah ?
#Our Season fell in a heap last year for a couple of factors IMO and we were doing O.K till the following happened :
1\. The Supposedly Farah and Potter fall out destabilized our team and lost our heads after that .
2\. We had a massive injury toll that we just didn't have the cattle to replace.
3\. Lack of respect Potter was given from his own Board that even he didn't know what was going on , like when he said " I never wanted Korrobete gone".
We wasted 2 years of Potter's Coaching for nothing and now Taylor coming in we have to start all over again with these so called structures he wants to implement , lucky it starts from defence cause it's non existent at the moment .
Potter made what was at the time a very unpopular decision in benching Marshall and the media and that Channel 9 Footy Show got on his case about it .
Maybe that's what Potter saw in our Club that there was to many love Child's ( Farah and Marshall ) and that had to be changed and for that reason the Board never saw Potter the same again.
Was Farah the love child of the board and for that reason got rid of Potter to please Farah ?
#Our Season fell in a heap last year for a couple of factors IMO and we were doing O.K till the following happened :
1\. The Supposedly Farah and Potter fall out destabilized our team and lost our heads after that .
2\. We had a massive injury toll that we just didn't have the cattle to replace.
3\. Lack of respect Potter was given from his own Board that even he didn't know what was going on , like when he said " I never wanted Korrobete gone".
We wasted 2 years of Potter's Coaching for nothing and now Taylor coming in we have to start all over again with these so called structures he wants to implement , lucky it starts from defence cause it's non existent at the moment .
Potter made what was at the time a very unpopular decision in benching Marshall and the media and that Channel 9 Footy Show got on his case about it .
Maybe that's what Potter saw in our Club that there was to many love Child's ( Farah and Marshall ) and that had to be changed and for that reason the Board never saw Potter the same again.
@Tiger Gaz said:
Thanks for posting the article TG.. I agree entirely about his lack of good decision making.
Decision making is a key skill in any work place and it's particularly important if you want to be an effective leader.
We can't afford to make poor decisions and then expect to succeed.
Well tigergaz,Prestons comments are pretty well spot on,I will be wondering if Taylor reads the press and sees the disappointment within the supporter base,and to see if he can get past his own arrogance to make some changes to the "structure" so this talented team can produce some great attacking football,and regain the confidence they have lost through a tortuous inept gameplan bestowed on them for weeks..I have said many times that I will afford them the time to progress to a level of competence needed to perform at NRL level….yesterday's display did little but make me even more depressed about the future of this great club..here's hoping for a major change in the coming weeks before the talent is completely strangled out of these fine young players...
stevetiger
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@Tiger In The Gong said:
Yep. I can't see anyone still buying his spin now. You would have to be completely bonkers.
Talk of sacking him is unrealistic (as much as we might all like the idea).
My real concern is that Taylor seems so stubborn and tunnel visioned. He is constantly trying to justify his actions, which makes me think that he lacks confidence in his plans and the decisions that he makes. He is obviously being judged and is the subject of scrutiny otherwise he wouldn't care about what outside impressions are. Taylor seems to stick to his view even when it is blatantly wrong - as if he will eventually outlast everybody's objections and in the misguided hope that his view will be proven right. No matter what the cost - he is utterly rigid and without creativity.
My fear is that the playing group have lost all confidence in him and in themselves.
Where do we go from here?? Points made earlier about losing NRL standard players and replacing them with at best fringe players, are very valid. Our roster is pretty low on quality players and even lower on experience. Due to our lack of depth, there are a number of players playing through necessity each week at the Tigers that wouldn't get a run in NRL anywhere else. Couple this with Taylor's current coaching style and what is starting to look like a loss of heart and desire - and that's where we're at.
We have little money to buy any quality players either, so all we can hope for is that these guys gel together and have enough pride in their efforts to do the hard yards and come out the other end despite JT.
My real concern is that Taylor seems so stubborn and tunnel visioned. He is constantly trying to justify his actions, which makes me think that he lacks confidence in his plans and the decisions that he makes. He is obviously being judged and is the subject of scrutiny otherwise he wouldn't care about what outside impressions are. Taylor seems to stick to his view even when it is blatantly wrong - as if he will eventually outlast everybody's objections and in the misguided hope that his view will be proven right. No matter what the cost - he is utterly rigid and without creativity.
My fear is that the playing group have lost all confidence in him and in themselves.
Where do we go from here?? Points made earlier about losing NRL standard players and replacing them with at best fringe players, are very valid. Our roster is pretty low on quality players and even lower on experience. Due to our lack of depth, there are a number of players playing through necessity each week at the Tigers that wouldn't get a run in NRL anywhere else. Couple this with Taylor's current coaching style and what is starting to look like a loss of heart and desire - and that's where we're at.
We have little money to buy any quality players either, so all we can hope for is that these guys gel together and have enough pride in their efforts to do the hard yards and come out the other end despite JT.
Would Bennett, Bellamy, Maguire, Robinson have WT higher on the ladder than Taylor has at present??? I think not.
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In my opinion, Taylor's (and several other rookie coaches) biggest problem is their lack of imagination.
Too many coaches (Taylor included) are blindly trying to emulate the mistake free, power game that's dominated since we won in 2005\. The problem is, you need more than young talent to play this style of game consistently- we don't have the muscle or money and we look like boys against men on the field.
The way the game is referee'd today, I don't think any alternate game plan can consistently outdo the power game. WT tried it for years and got owned, causing most of us to scream for more structure- now we have structure, we've realised we can match the top teams anyway. The problem is, we're now getting beaten without firing any meaningful shots.
This cycle of power overcoming talent and lack of creativity is killing the game!
Blame the Commission, refs or even the likes of Bellamy, but
Unless there are changes to the interpretation and game set-up (reduced interchange, TPA etc), the NRL will resemble the EPL, where 4-5 clubs fight out the premiership and the rest of us just make up the numbers.
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In my opinion, Taylor's (and several other rookie coaches) biggest problem is their lack of imagination.
Too many coaches (Taylor included) are blindly trying to emulate the mistake free, power game that's dominated since we won in 2005\. The problem is, you need more than young talent to play this style of game consistently- we don't have the muscle or money and we look like boys against men on the field.
The way the game is referee'd today, I don't think any alternate game plan can consistently outdo the power game. WT tried it for years and got owned, causing most of us to scream for more structure- now we have structure, we've realised we can match the top teams anyway. The problem is, we're now getting beaten without firing any meaningful shots.
This cycle of power overcoming talent and lack of creativity is killing the game!
Blame the Commission, refs or even the likes of Bellamy, but
Unless there are changes to the interpretation and game set-up (reduced interchange, TPA etc), the NRL will resemble the EPL, where 4-5 clubs fight out the premiership and the rest of us just make up the numbers.
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foreveratiger
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Furthermore Pat Richards and Dene Halatau are off Contract at Seasons end and it seems as they won't be re-signed, so it can be said that we will have even less experience around these kids cause we haven't signed no one and it doesn't seem like we will.
Copy and paste this Season for next year.
Copy and paste this Season for next year.
@Tiger Watto said:
Business is already ruined. The average crowds are down almost 1000 people year on year for the last 4 years. Cash flow must be at an all time low as would membership. If you've got a crap manager, you shift them sideways until they either find a niche they are actually half decent at, or move them into a role where they leave of their own accord and rip the paperwork up themselves.
Can't see him moving anywhere else or leaving of his own accord. We just gotta pray that the team actually play well and he coaches well.
I take it you're putting your hand in your pocket to pay him out then Watto? We didn't have the bloody money last time around, I can only assume that a major sponsor had something to do with the money being available to pay Sheens out.
We're at rock bottom Watto, where do you suggest we go from here? Sacking the coach is not an option in the current state of affairs. Perhaps if the club were owned wholly by one party, we'd be having a completely different discussion. I understand when things go south for a business, sometimes you have to take the loss on the chin in order to turn things around, but that is simply not an option for the club. The fact that we still have no cash after the NRL awarded us bailout money kind of shows you in what sort of financial distress we're in. You can't pay someone out with buttons.
Taylor is not making the right decisions at the moment, but it runs further deep than him. Look at Austin, Blair, Thompson. All going gangbusters at their respective new clubs. The culture at this club stinks, and it has for a long time. Any time someone has dared come in and tried to hold people accountable, they get shafted in one way or another.
We had a perfectly fine coach last year until people within club and media completely torpedoed our year and he was made the sacrificial lamb.
We're at rock bottom Watto, where do you suggest we go from here? Sacking the coach is not an option in the current state of affairs. Perhaps if the club were owned wholly by one party, we'd be having a completely different discussion. I understand when things go south for a business, sometimes you have to take the loss on the chin in order to turn things around, but that is simply not an option for the club. The fact that we still have no cash after the NRL awarded us bailout money kind of shows you in what sort of financial distress we're in. You can't pay someone out with buttons.
Taylor is not making the right decisions at the moment, but it runs further deep than him. Look at Austin, Blair, Thompson. All going gangbusters at their respective new clubs. The culture at this club stinks, and it has for a long time. Any time someone has dared come in and tried to hold people accountable, they get shafted in one way or another.
We had a perfectly fine coach last year until people within club and media completely torpedoed our year and he was made the sacrificial lamb.
iofthetigers
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The issue I have with Jason Taylor is why would you release a player when you have no cover for them.Bodene Thompson being released is really hurting the team with lack of depth.Now there are rumours of more players being released someone needs to be made accountable.
Tiger_Watto
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LOL… We aint that broke.
We are guaranteed $21M over the next 3 years through the NRL Grant. As I said earlier, I wouldnt pay him out regardless. Let him take us to court. If he doesnt accept a reduced payout, let him know you will drag his name through the mud that no other NRL Club would want him. With his ego, he will take the reduced payout, & the next grant will of arrived by then. Solved!
I wouldnt sack him eitherway _. I just dont see the sence in people justifying keeping someone based on it being to expensive to pay them out. How expensive is it to keep them?!_
We are guaranteed $21M over the next 3 years through the NRL Grant. As I said earlier, I wouldnt pay him out regardless. Let him take us to court. If he doesnt accept a reduced payout, let him know you will drag his name through the mud that no other NRL Club would want him. With his ego, he will take the reduced payout, & the next grant will of arrived by then. Solved!
I wouldnt sack him eitherway _. I just dont see the sence in people justifying keeping someone based on it being to expensive to pay them out. How expensive is it to keep them?!_
happy_tiger
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@foreveratiger said:
FT I was also a fan of Potter's
But he is gone , before he was a given a chance to execute his plan
And now everyone is wanting to do the exactly the same to Taylor
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I really don't believe sacking Taylor is a viable option.
