Sack Sheens Thread
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foreveratiger
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he needs to be moved on, new coach , new direction, new voice is what is required. Think his gone….
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tigersman1969
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Its amazing the coach has lost confidence of the Players, so he hangs for the overall poor performance of the team in general….
Our forwards spent a lot of time idling or in second gear, pretty emabarrassing when your wingers are averaging more ground up the middle with the hooker, poor ole Benji with no gaps to run into on the back of the forwards raked up alot of metres albeit accross field, the new coach has a lot to do defensively, and to re engineer our attacking prowess which is lurking in the background.
Heres another question what to do with Adam Blair????? pretty sub par year for the $$$$$$$ we pay em. :deadhorse:
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As for the loss of Chris and Beau i still don't understand that one WTF were they thinking.
If we going to do this right lets clean out the deadwood in player recruitment and retention get our finances in order and bring back the TIGER spirit, heart and passion on and off the field.... :sign:
Our forwards spent a lot of time idling or in second gear, pretty emabarrassing when your wingers are averaging more ground up the middle with the hooker, poor ole Benji with no gaps to run into on the back of the forwards raked up alot of metres albeit accross field, the new coach has a lot to do defensively, and to re engineer our attacking prowess which is lurking in the background.
Heres another question what to do with Adam Blair????? pretty sub par year for the $$$$$$$ we pay em. :deadhorse:
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As for the loss of Chris and Beau i still don't understand that one WTF were they thinking.
If we going to do this right lets clean out the deadwood in player recruitment and retention get our finances in order and bring back the TIGER spirit, heart and passion on and off the field.... :sign:
I think Sheens knew it wasn't without risk when he oversaw the departures of Ryan and Heighington. It could've gone two ways. One, it could've led to the harsh truths that in order to change some hard decisions had to be made and that coach knew best. Or 2, and as has happened, the departure of Ryan and Heighington has led to an adverse reaction in which basically has led the players to belief that if certain players should go, then so should the coach.
You guys are right. His position is untenable. Even Sheens will surely realize this. He has little if any support at the club. Not because of Ryan and Heighington but because of his overall record. In hindsight, it's pretty clear Sheens had lost some degree of support before the end of the season. Warning signs appeared against the Roosters and again against the Storm.
You guys are right. His position is untenable. Even Sheens will surely realize this. He has little if any support at the club. Not because of Ryan and Heighington but because of his overall record. In hindsight, it's pretty clear Sheens had lost some degree of support before the end of the season. Warning signs appeared against the Roosters and again against the Storm.
@dyso said:
The discussion may have abated for a while, and maybe those players would be staying. But the fall-out would have ramped up again as soon as the team stopped performing again. Many on here would tell you that the team has played well at times despite the coach, not because of the coach.
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tigerchad
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If half of what is written in this forum is based on truth & not 'fandome', then yes- it's time for the Tigers to move in another direction. I loved Wayne Pearce, but when the team stopped 'playing for him'- he was dead in the water. The Tigers look to have stopped playing for Sheens. It happens. I think Tim Sheens has been the single greatest thing to happen to Wests Tigers- he took a club that was absolutely shambolic under Lamb/Langmack/Gillespie & installed discipline, pride & direction. He introduced a youth development scheme that constantly produces quality youth coming through the ranks. He brought in players from other clubs that were intent on doing better & making this club improve.
The last few years, yes, things have started to fray at the edges. That said, Sheens & co still develop some astoundingly good young players, and despite his failure this season, still attracted quality signings like Adam Blair to the club.
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If Sheens is shifted out tonight, as seems the way, it's probably now for the best. If the players have stopped supporting him, it's gone beyond salvaging, without dumping the whole roster. So it's time to move on.
I just hope that whoever is brought in can continue on the same path of developing young players, that the investment in quality juniors is still the key element of the club development. And that respect, discipline, pride & direction are still qualities that follow through beyond Tim Sheens.
Not sure who is 'the best' candidate to replace him, but for mine, this is a massively important hire, and can't be done slap-dash. Just so long as I don't hear anyone say "Stephen Kearney", I'll be full of hope.
The last few years, yes, things have started to fray at the edges. That said, Sheens & co still develop some astoundingly good young players, and despite his failure this season, still attracted quality signings like Adam Blair to the club.
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If Sheens is shifted out tonight, as seems the way, it's probably now for the best. If the players have stopped supporting him, it's gone beyond salvaging, without dumping the whole roster. So it's time to move on.
I just hope that whoever is brought in can continue on the same path of developing young players, that the investment in quality juniors is still the key element of the club development. And that respect, discipline, pride & direction are still qualities that follow through beyond Tim Sheens.
Not sure who is 'the best' candidate to replace him, but for mine, this is a massively important hire, and can't be done slap-dash. Just so long as I don't hear anyone say "Stephen Kearney", I'll be full of hope.
tigermaniac
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@milford_magic said:
Don't count your chickens before they hatch !!!
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tigermaniac
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@willow said:
I'll coach my u10's and WT for free next year. Parish is a brain dead option. Leave that idea in the gutter.
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BornBlack_amp_Gold
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@tigersman1969 said:
Its easy to undestand really,when you think about it. Heighington wanted 3 more years, the club understandably said no way. he still had next year to run on his contract but HE and he alone chose to depart for cronulla immediately.
As for Ryan , well he over estimated his worth to a football team imo , in his words he didnt feel like he was a "priorty".
Well he probably wasnt, the club had a bad year and they are looking at options in recruitment to help rectify this whilst being in a bit of salary cap strife( ie not much money to spare right now), therefore the club reneged temporarily on an agreement to offer him 3 years, Beau didnt like that (which he is entitled to ofcourse) so HE and he alone chose to follow his mate chris to the sharks, rather than play out the final year of his contract at WT.
Simple really.
I still don't get the logic behind sacking sheens.
In 2009, maybe I would have. He hadn't made the finals 4 years in a row. But last year and the year before, the tigers were serious contenders. Why sack him now ? This year, the season was awful, but we had to start shifting key positions from round 1 and after that Siro went down and Robbie was struck with personal tragedy. I mean how can you overlook this ? How did the storm go without Slater ? 5/6 lost !!!
Moreover, this year, before playing the doggies, sheens said he had found holes in their armour that he knew how to exploit. And he delivered, even the refs admitted that we had won that by 12\. Sheens was the first in a long streek to understand how to take down the doggies. No bad ref decisions means we enter the finals with Robbie (who was injured during golden point) and with the knowledge that we beat the favourites. But the refs messed up and now you guys are blaming Sheens ??? Just look at the players he has coached. Robbie was the star in Origin this year. Guess what, sheens was the one who coached him and believed in him even when stuart didnt. He is the Aussie coach, one of the most respected coaches and you guys wanna ditch him ? Yeah we didnt make it this year (personnally I put it down to unlucky injuries and too much hype around the players in preseason) but I love the way the tigers play, dangerous from anywhere. No wrestling, no grubber tactics. It was a bad year. Get over it ! We had 2 really good years before and we'll have good years ahead.
And whats even worse is people whining about the clubs lack of heart when we sack players like Ryan and the Rhino but then turn around and say "Sack Sheens" with no sound proof that he has actually gone stale ?
In 2009, maybe I would have. He hadn't made the finals 4 years in a row. But last year and the year before, the tigers were serious contenders. Why sack him now ? This year, the season was awful, but we had to start shifting key positions from round 1 and after that Siro went down and Robbie was struck with personal tragedy. I mean how can you overlook this ? How did the storm go without Slater ? 5/6 lost !!!
Moreover, this year, before playing the doggies, sheens said he had found holes in their armour that he knew how to exploit. And he delivered, even the refs admitted that we had won that by 12\. Sheens was the first in a long streek to understand how to take down the doggies. No bad ref decisions means we enter the finals with Robbie (who was injured during golden point) and with the knowledge that we beat the favourites. But the refs messed up and now you guys are blaming Sheens ??? Just look at the players he has coached. Robbie was the star in Origin this year. Guess what, sheens was the one who coached him and believed in him even when stuart didnt. He is the Aussie coach, one of the most respected coaches and you guys wanna ditch him ? Yeah we didnt make it this year (personnally I put it down to unlucky injuries and too much hype around the players in preseason) but I love the way the tigers play, dangerous from anywhere. No wrestling, no grubber tactics. It was a bad year. Get over it ! We had 2 really good years before and we'll have good years ahead.
And whats even worse is people whining about the clubs lack of heart when we sack players like Ryan and the Rhino but then turn around and say "Sack Sheens" with no sound proof that he has actually gone stale ?
happy_tiger
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TigerBill you talked us through 1 game
Now try talking us through Round 2-7 and 18-24 bar above mentioned game
If you want help explaining what happened from Bulldogs game onwards , Rhino found out that week he was being released and the players revolted
Just my opinion seemed strange we turned on our best performance of the season , followed by absolute shockers
Now try talking us through Round 2-7 and 18-24 bar above mentioned game
If you want help explaining what happened from Bulldogs game onwards , Rhino found out that week he was being released and the players revolted
Just my opinion seemed strange we turned on our best performance of the season , followed by absolute shockers
Ryan himself told the press that trouble started when we had to shift positions after Tedesco was injured. One injury, OK. But we piled on problems to key positions.
Happytiger, I talked you threw one game because its one of the rare occasions where sheens told us that he had a plan and was confident. After that, I said to myself, "ok lets see if you deliver". And he did.
So basically, for you Sheens turned stale in the space of one year ????????
Happytiger, I talked you threw one game because its one of the rare occasions where sheens told us that he had a plan and was confident. After that, I said to myself, "ok lets see if you deliver". And he did.
So basically, for you Sheens turned stale in the space of one year ????????
happy_tiger
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@tigerbill said:
He's been stale for a few seasons , but the players dragged him out of the compost heap . Scary that Sheens has only had one plan he felt confident with 24 games in a season
Now they are over him
I'm not saying Sheens can't coach , but he has lost the players and we can't afford to lose players like Farah and the like to appease the coach
A coach is nothing without the players
@tiga4eva said:
Yep. This a big issue for me. He would surely have known we had massive issues finding Benji a partner but even so wasn't it better to just keep Moltzen at 7, given that's where he trained the entire off season?? The general rule is that if you have to make changes to anything you like to keep them to a minimum. In the case of Sheens, how in the world did he expect us to succeed when the halves kept changing on 2 week rotations?? He could've kept Moltzen there the entire year and have opted for Sean Meaney, or even Beau Ryan.
And even if he was to stick with Moltzen at fullback then surely he had to have a plan to integrate a young half back, say Miller or Chisholm and take the pressure off them and allow them time to find their feet. But no, 9 separate half combinations won't disturb the team too much will it?? Pffftttt!!
@happy tiger said:
I agree. But which players are we talking about ? I thought Marshall and Farah were close to Sheens and wanted him to stay. Between the manager-prepped media speeches and near lies in the press I dont know who really stands on which side. Moreover, Lote says that they have no idea who's been making the calls between Sheens and Humphreys so, again, why are we pulling the trigger on Sheens ?
@happy tiger said:
The players make the coach without doubt. But for some time the coach is very responsible for assembling his squad.
You cant give not credit for 10 and 11 yet lay blame for 2012.
The situation seems like Sheens must go now, and maybe 10 years is enough. But I agree with most of Tiger Bill's comments.
Sport is a game of what if's and the difference between success and failure is minute. I ask this though, If a few things changed this year…..as morbid as it sounds if Robbie's mum had have passed away 2 days later, I think Tigers at full strength on a role at Leichhardt would most likely dusted the Roosters and the momentum would have continued into the bye, or a couple tight games go the other way (for us or those around the 8) and we had made the semies what would have happened in that case.
And people should be careful what they wish for, a change of coach could easily got the other way, we could see a complete new style that does not work, a stop of the production line of developing talent that seems to be coming through the place, for every look at what Des Haler has done at the bulldogs there is a look at what Steve Kearney has done at Parra.
For the record if we get Matt Parish IMO a huge step back, no head coach experience at all, Im hoping we end up with Brown or Potter.