SACK TAYLOR NOW......

[happy_tiger]

TITG

Ask just about any WT's supporter who was being realistic about our chances in 2015 and they would have said bottom 4

Taylor wants to fix our defence , look at the Titans first try , a halfback in the opening 10 minutes puts on a shimmy and go and strolls past our SOO prop and Sue and was barely touched

This is what Taylor spoke about with our middle defence it gives up so much yardage very set that we are forever trying to come off our own tryline

And the stupid penalties for Christ sake , how many times did we give away stupid penalties when our defence had little or no pressure being applied

The only way this side is going to be able get good field position to attack with is to create chances with our defence and start putting our attack on the front foot

You want to blame Taylor for our problems , I still blame the players , he is talking perfect footy sense and these blokes don't respond to it or can't carry it out

Maybe we don't have the players to pull it off , but at least the CEO and the board can see that and will be forced onto the player market to fix our issues

 

[hobbo]

Bring back Alan Jones , he'd sort these boys out :laughing:

This seasons reminding me of 2003 … Can't finish soon enough !

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[happy_tiger]

Our left side defence has issues , if your are going to play tight on the edges you have to slide when the opposition goes wide

Brooks was forever leaving Hoeter and Richards for dead by overcommitting on the inside

No one trusts the other , have faith that each player will do its job on the inside and that the cover will pick off the inside runners

 

[tigerbenji]

Happy you are talking to much sence , Just dribble it might go over better.

 

[Newtown]

Sack him now before it gets worst, the defence has not improved and is all most back to what it was last year. are attack has nose dive to total crap, even andrew johns stated they are going though the motions , he stopped short of say the coach is not allowing them to play. i said at the start of the season i would give him 12 weeks before jumping up and down. we have gone backwards the kids are learning nothing except how to tackle and lose games. taylors game plan is something in his head and really has no place with a young nrl side with little or no experience. i know people on hear will tear me down but i really can not see it getting any better under JT.

And who do you propose we replace him with and how do we afford it? Post rationally rather than emotionally, it's more productive.

The best rational approach would be for Mayer to do what he is paid to do and have a serious discussion with Taylor and his assistants concerning the downward spiral the club is on due to the current very negative coaching policy. Everybody but Taylor himself can see that he is having a very deleterious effect on the future of our once proud club and the only way to cahnge the diretion of this spiral is for Taylor to urgently change his coaching ideas and methods. Unfortunately Taylor seems to be as stubborn as they come and Meyer seems to be avoiding any confrontation with him. Meyer seems to have gone into hiding over the past few months allowing Taylor to revel in what has become a dictatorial coaching role.

 

[diedpretty]

taylor aint the one missing the tackles out there. Brooks was awful in defence.

Really? 18 tackles, missed 2 and aimed up well.

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He may have only missed 2 tackles but his reads to come in and leave gaping holes out wide directly led to 2 tries. I'd rather he missed 8 tackles as long as he maintains a defensive line.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Sack him now before it gets worst, the defence has not improved and is all most back to what it was last year. are attack has nose dive to total crap, even andrew johns stated they are going though the motions , he stopped short of say the coach is not allowing them to play. i said at the start of the season i would give him 12 weeks before jumping up and down. we have gone backwards the kids are learning nothing except how to tackle and lose games. taylors game plan is something in his head and really has no place with a young nrl side with little or no experience. i know people on hear will tear me down but i really can not see it getting any better under JT.

And who do you propose we replace him with and how do we afford it? Post rationally rather than emotionally, it's more productive.

The best rational approach would be for Mayer to do what he is paid to do and have a serious discussion with Taylor and his assistants concerning the downward spiral the club is on due to the current very negative coaching policy..

At the very least this should be happening. Its getting real now and needs action.

 

[Newtown]

TITG

Maybe we don't have the players to pull it off , but at least the CEO and the board can see that and will be forced onto the player market to fix our issues

Happy, it was only last week that Taylor stated that the club's CAP situation is a real mess. So where is the money to buy players going to come from? I can't see the club hitting the player market until at least another 18 -24 months. Taylor is signed up for this two year period so the common factor in improving our problems lie solidly on the shoulders of Taylor.

Why can't Taylor use whatever coaching skills he has on young players like Brooks and Co. to improve their attack and defensive skills to first grade standard? Brooks and Co. have had half a season to do this but their skills and confidence have been on a downward spiral.

 

[happy_tiger]

This wasn't going to easy fixing all the issues at the club

We are just going to have to ride it out

Blame previous administrations and previous coaches (Sheens not Potter )

They created all this mess and the current admin is trying to do everything they can with what they have

It is never the current administrations fault with you is it Happy.

Never.

No

They've been in the job 7 months , they haven't had a chance to buy new players , work out who to keep and who to not keep .

Do you understand it will take at least 2 seasons for us to really judge them , as they have had no say as to what has happened in the past

The Cap mismanagement is so crucial in all this and has placed massive restrictions on us since 2012

How do YOU manage to place the blame on Taylor for that ??

I know how , because you have no bloody idea , that's why :brick:

Mate have a real good look around, there are about a 1000 people saying the same as i am.

What arrogance to say that all these loyal and passionate people have no bloody idea.

I'm not arguing they are not loyal and passionate

But if the are all agreeing with you , they are all wrong

But that's the problem in todays world , people want instant fixes to things that don't have instant solutions

The WT's aren't going to be a quick fix , its a massive job and will take time

Wouldn't matter whether it was Bennett ,Hasler ,Bellamy ,Toovey ,Robinson or Maguire

 

[Russell]

I won't tear you down bp I agree 100 percent
All I heard in the offseason by the so called experts is how Taylor is a great league tactician
With a footballing brain a good young coach with a huge future. All iv seen this year is how bloody useless he is. Next.

CORRECTION:

Half the off season.

 

[Russell]

Yeah, Toovey is great. Broncos 44, Manly 10.

Have a look at his real record if you are interested , he is the Potter of 2015 the knives are out.

And we don't want another Potter - do we?

We already had one - and didn't want him!

The grass is always greener for some people.

 

[Fumbles]

Taylor doesn't have the cattle. The ones to blame are the people who did the recruiting which has resulted in us having such a poor roster on top of salary cap pressure.
We let the good players go and we have a bunch of reserve graders and somehow we have no money.
I don't know what the salary cap problems are but Taylor didn't get us into this mess.

 

[Russell]

Totally clueless is old JT.
Ruining the development of our young players with this ridiculous game planning. Our future is totally buggered.
The current board have quickly shown their ineptness in football related matters by signing this imbecile as coach.
I thought last year was rock bottom, how wrong was I.

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and with respect - imo you are wrong again.

 

[larrycorowa]

Taylor doesn't have the cattle. The ones to blame are the people who did the recruiting which has resulted in us having such a poor roster on top of salary cap pressure.
We let the good players go and we have a bunch of reserve graders and somehow we have no money.
I don't know what the salary cap problems are but Taylor didn't get us into this mess.

100% right fumbles. To get us out of this mess, the club has been left with no option but to build a competitive squad through a bunch of players in their early 20's. We have the youngest squad in the NRL and they are learning the hard way. Young, inexperienced players are inconsistent from game to game and even through a game…..this is plainly on show in our team.

 

[Russell]

Surely the club wouldnt have signed a young coach on a 3 year contract without a couple of get out clauses.

Surely not after the Sheens fiasco.

Some of you guys just refuse to admit the coach is struggling.

He's not struggling - the players are struggling.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

Worst coach in NRL is Ricky Stuart, yet he keeps his job and we sack coaches for the fun of it.

Unless we get a master coach like Wayne i dont like smiling Bennett we aint getting out of this hole.
Contrary to what people thought of Sheens, he was clever coach . Coaching the same team for 10 years was his downfall.
Just like Benji playing for us for 10 years had gone stale

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Surely the club wouldnt have signed a young coach on a 3 year contract without a couple of get out clauses.

Surely not after the Sheens fiasco.

Some of you guys just refuse to admit the coach is struggling.

He's not struggling - the players are struggling.

Agree with this.

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[BornBlack_amp_Gold]

Taylor should be creating a game plan around the players at his disposal. It is no point bemoaning the fact he doesn't have the right players if we don't have the ability salary cap wise to change this for the entire length of time he is contracted!
Thus, you devise the game plan around what you have. Not what you want.

 

[barra]

Well he ain't going anywhere, anytime soon.

But the way the team is travelling right now, he might have to modify his 'master plan' approach to keep some quarters a little bit happy and maintain the interest of the players because it definitely looks to be waning.

And the way he is coaching isn't working too well if defence is the focus. Even the commentators were giving it to us over the terrible defensive structure last night.

 

[Russell]

I have said before and I will say it again,even though some on this forum will shoot me down again….I will not buy into this so called defensive structure that must be strictly adhered to because that's what Taylor is building this teams strength on...it's a road of the teams demise if it continues the way it is going..for example the game tonight the WTs let in 3 soft trys the defense was pitiful,the left edge was pitiful,and don't say it was all Pattycakes fault because on a couple of occasions he had three opposition players to mark while Brooks and co were huddled and left a gap..where was the defensive structure then...I will tell you..theses young players are getting bored quicker than us the supporters and are probably sick of the same gameplan week after week...so what's my answer...here it is...when the young players played what was infront of them,we attacked and came up with points and a couple of disallowed trys,the effort was there for all to see....this is their game,as for defence you learn how to tackle and mark your man from an early age,if these guys don't know that by now,then Im afraid there is no hope for them at all...

Some on here will say that I have been negative toward Taylor's coaching,I don't care about his coaching CV,he is here for the duration because we can't afford anyone else or to pay him out..we are stuck with him and that's about that...he may surprise me with some different tactics and if he does good for him...I can see the team keep going backwards if Taylor keeps this crap up....when you have commentators such as Joey Johns saying "the young ones need to play what's infront of them" and our coach restricts them,then no wonder Johns is in the hall of fame and JT won't get to within a bulls roar of the hall of fame,then questions really have to be asked...Yes Iam disappointed with tonight's game and the result,however,I realise Simona and Noofa will inject some class and speed back in the team and Lawrence can stay in the backrow,he did extremely well tonight...

Just for the forumers who can't wait to tear into me I will say it again,this defensive structure is hurting the attacking potential of this team,I dare say if JT doesn't let them play to their game and that is what's infront of them,we may even lose the young guys to other clubs...Taylor must formulate a game plan other than what we have witnessed for weeks,for the good of the team and the good of the club that Iam very passionate about...

Ok TT I'll bite.

We scored enough points last night to win the game. Should also have been credited with the non obstruction try as well imo.
Did they score those tries with an attacking plan?, play what was in front of them? or was it a mirage?

We lost the game!

Now that must mean our defense let us down ( Taylor is not out there tackling for them), that either means they are not good enough (incapable), or they are not putting the defense structure that Taylor is teaching them into practice. Seizer walked through the gap between Woods and Sue, the gaps out wide - partly caused by Brooks going for decoys and Richards trying to cover for Hoeter's bad reads, positional play and inability at the moment to tackle let in a few more tries.

TT you have made the suggestion on here a few times - "let them play what is in front of them - even for a half a game." You and others should see from last night, that will not work. we end up getting into the roundabout again of " bugger the defense - we'll score more tries than you." We are trying to get away from this; IT WILL NOT WORK!

So it's back to working on defense - which is what JT is doing.

Give him a go for Gods sake. Half an off season, 13 games, no money to buy people and the necessity to let people go too early because of cash.

He is left with the youngest and most inexperienced team in the NRL ( probably ever).

You guys are the hardest markers in the world.