Sacked Tim Sheens ponders taking Tigers to court for $1m

[Snodgrass]

Sheens has been bluffing the management from day 1 ..contract extensions ect. If the statement was made that he would stand down from his contract if the club didn't make the finals and the right people were in attendance well see you in court . I think he deserves a payout but these threats about dragging the club into court go right ahead pal!!!
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All this talk about coach Sheens saying he'd stand down if the side didn't make the semis … Now, my addled grey matter (50 shades of) is a wholly unreliable source when it comes to matters of factual accuracy, chronological exactness etc ... But I could swear that comment was made during 2011 ... And I also seem to recall we did make the semis that year.
Happy to be corrected on this ... As stated, the memory is a little on the dodgy side.

 

[innsaneink]

I know what a sieve like memory is liek Snoddy….its OK mate

Wests Tigers coach Tim Sheens promised to leave club if they failed to qualify for NRL finals: source
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September 22, **2012** 12:48PM

The comment was made last year apparently, but it seems to include the entire tenure of his contract…wasnt specific to 2011..imo

 

[LaT]

Sheens publicly promised to leave if we didn't make the finals in 2010\. There has never been another actual confirmed time where he said it.

"Tim told people at the club that he would step down if the team failed to reach the finals," a well-placed Tigers source said.
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"That's now happened, and there's a feeling that he should uphold his word."
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The statement was never made at board level, nor is it contractually binding.
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Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/nrl-premiership/wests-tigers-coach-tim-sheens-promised-to-leave-club-if-they-failed-to-qualify-for-nrl-finals-source/story-fn2mcuj6-1226479339338#ixzz29MKyhWuQ

So one article approx a month ago said this. And nothing since. Can we move the likely hood of this having been said into the "probably BS" area yet? I'd love for it to be true, but how long can you cling to hope off 1 article a month ago?

 

[mtd]

Not this again
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[900large]

It would have been more average to allow Sheens to stay as head coach given the way things ended up. Saying "oh well can't get rid of him, lets just hope for the best" would have been much worse.

It was a gamble to demote him, hoping he would either quit outright or take another job elsewhere, but it still needed to be done.

Would you have kept Sheens on as head coach in this situation?

Yup!
The position only became untenable once Heighington and Ryan went south and the players took over the asylum.
Sheens was getting on with the job … Whilst everyone else stood around picking their noses.
Humphreys with his top draw of unsigned contracts, the players with their sub standard season deciding who should stay and go, the board scratching at their collective dandruff working out how to keep Benji and Robbie happy without sending the joint broke ...
So yeah, LaT ... I'd have stuck solid.
The board and the CEO needed to make a stand against the poor little rich kids, supported the coach who had two thirds of a size-able contract to run and put players on notice.
As it is now ... The new coach will have to run every decision past Benj and Robbie to make sure it doesn't put anybodies nose out of joint before implementing anything. The admin office has shown great weakness and the mouth guard chewers have tasted blood ... The culture could head anywhere from here

100% agree
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[Snodgrass]

Remember when the silver bodgey misread his script writers scrawl and spouted,
"no Australian Child will live in poverty" rather than the more moderate, "no Australian child should live in poverty" .
Gee whizz there were ramifications … Talk is cheap

Paying out yer coach ain't.

 

[900large]

Maybe the best way of handling whole situation was the players come out in the press and say that they didn't want him and force his hand

For example the playing group could of said they would stand down and refuse to play under Sheens and involve RLPA

Might of been worth a try

Sheens will quite happily bake scones for 450 k a season

Yeah then we would struggle to get a wooden spoon under 11s coach to come to the place. There had to be a boss to make hard decisions. And it has to be the coach
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[innsaneink]

Sheens publicly promised to leave if we didn't make the finals in 2010\. There has never been another actual confirmed time where he said it.

"Tim told people at the club that he would step down if the team failed to reach the finals," a well-placed Tigers source said.
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"That's now happened, and there's a feeling that he should uphold his word."
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The statement was never made at board level, nor is it contractually binding.
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Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/nrl-premiership/wests-tigers-coach-tim-sheens-promised-to-leave-club-if-they-failed-to-qualify-for-nrl-finals-source/story-fn2mcuj6-1226479339338#ixzz29MKyhWuQ

So one article approx a month ago said this. And nothing since. Can we move the likely hood of this having been said into the "probably BS" area yet? I'd love for it to be true, but how long can you cling to hope off 1 article a month ago?

How is it any diff to the Parish fave, Walters now favourite, Sheens to sue for $1m etc etc etc threads all based on media spec?
The club says bugger all.
There is the media, and the forum scoops…thats all we have to go on.

As I said, if Humpty had learnt by now not to have multiple ?????'s surrounding key decisions at the club with no definitive answers for the club...the media just make it up, its usually negative and puts the club in a bad light, not good for anyone concerend

and even if it were legit, it seems nothings in writing so its all just a talking point, but go on....you and MTD go right ahead and make a mountain out of this molehill once again

 

[Marshall_magic]

Put yourself in Tim's shoes. He has a contract worth $900k. If I was owed $900k without any KPI clauses, I would damn well be wanting my cash too.

Silly part was not adding the KPI clauses prior to signing him up for 3 years.

This. The board stuffed up, and drew up a lucrative contract that was overs for Sheens. Now they realise they've stuffed up, they need to pay the man out. Shafting him to another position and hoping he walks for nothing is very disrespectful. I don't think this will go to court, and will be settled out of court, I just hope the club doesn't get bled dry from this. Surely when the move was made it was considered that something like this would happen.

 

[innsaneink]

Put yourself in Tim's shoes. He has a contract worth $900k. If I was owed $900k without any KPI clauses, I would damn well be wanting my cash too.

Silly part was not adding the KPI clauses prior to signing him up for 3 years.

This. The board stuffed up, and drew up a lucrative contract that was overs for Sheens. Now they realise they've stuffed up, they need to pay the man out. **Shafting him to another position and hoping he walks for nothing is very disrespectful.** I don't think this will go to court, and will be settled out of court, I just hope the club doesn't get bled dry from this. Surely when the move was made it was considered that something like this would happen.

But Humphreys said Tim is held in the highest respect of everyone in the club!?!?!?!?! 😱pen_mouth: 😕

 

[LaT]

Sheens publicly promised to leave if we didn't make the finals in 2010\. There has never been another actual confirmed time where he said it.

"Tim told people at the club that he would step down if the team failed to reach the finals," a well-placed Tigers source said.
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"That's now happened, and there's a feeling that he should uphold his word."
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The statement was never made at board level, nor is it contractually binding.
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Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/nrl-premiership/wests-tigers-coach-tim-sheens-promised-to-leave-club-if-they-failed-to-qualify-for-nrl-finals-source/story-fn2mcuj6-1226479339338#ixzz29MKyhWuQ

So one article approx a month ago said this. And nothing since. Can we move the likely hood of this having been said into the "probably BS" area yet? I'd love for it to be true, but how long can you cling to hope off 1 article a month ago?

**How is it any diff to the Parish fave, Walters now favourite, Sheens to sue for $1m etc etc etc threads all based on media spec?**
The club says bugger all.
There is the media, and the forum scoops…thats all we have to go on.

As I said, if Humpty had learnt by now not to have multiple ?????'s surrounding key decisions at the club with no definitive answers for the club...the media just make it up, its usually negative and puts the club in a bad light, not good for anyone concerend

and even if it were legit, it seems nothings in writing so its all just a talking point, but go on....you and MTD go right ahead and make a mountain out of this molehill once again

Its different because you spent the best part of a few pages arguing that it was fact. Its clearly speculation and given we haven't heard boo about it since that one article, maybe we should start to treat it with some apprehension?

When I post about Parish or payouts etc I try to link where it came from and leave a bit about the likely hood of it being true.

Whats the use in people demanding absolute proof about some things yet hold up 1 article with no real information and claim it as fact? The standards have fallen right off in here.

 

[Marshall_magic]

Put yourself in Tim's shoes. He has a contract worth $900k. If I was owed $900k without any KPI clauses, I would damn well be wanting my cash too.

Silly part was not adding the KPI clauses prior to signing him up for 3 years.

This. The board stuffed up, and drew up a lucrative contract that was overs for Sheens. Now they realise they've stuffed up, they need to pay the man out. **Shafting him to another position and hoping he walks for nothing is very disrespectful.** I don't think this will go to court, and will be settled out of court, I just hope the club doesn't get bled dry from this. Surely when the move was made it was considered that something like this would happen.

But Humphreys said Tim is held in the highest respect of everyone in the club!?!?!?!?! 😱pen_mouth: 😕

Humpty Dumpty also said he would rearrange the gym and everything would be sweet.

 

[mtd]

and even if it were legit, it seems nothings in writing so its all just a talking point, but go on….you and MTD go right ahead and make a mountain out of this molehill once again

the fundamentals are the same, they are both 'the word of a man'… there is no difference (apart from marshals being on the public record and sheens's office gossip), i don't get how you don't see it.. im trying to understand the logic behind what your saying, i just cant see it...

the only one making a mountain out of a molehill here is you.. your holding onto comments (that may or not be true) and pushing them across the forum like they are fact, expecting a guy to walk away from close to a million bucks.

 

[Tigerpete]

Got to admit, whilst not surprised for one moment. I'm pretty dissapointed at Sheens for the alleged legal action in regards to his payout. As many have already suggested. For a guy who seemed pretty happy to treat a contract like toilet paper when it came to players. It's kind of hard to take now that the shoes on the other foot and he's not happy.

I'm not surprised by this and the truth is he is entitled to do so, but it's hardly paints him in a good light really. I did have sympathy for him previously but not now. Basically he screwed with players contracts like it was okay but when it happened to him he didn't approve? Sorry tim, go jump!

who did he screw out of a contract? Pretty sure ur ill Informed
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Mate, it was a throwaway line. Sheens hasn't screwed with anyone's contract in that nature. Infact at the end of the day, the players i refer to….Gibbs, Fifita, Ryan and Heighington left after everything, on their own terms. But what irks me about Sheens' behaviour now is that the very same thing he helped orchestrate, is now happening to him. The club don't want him and he's playing hardball with them. Which he is still entitled to do. Remember this though, As much as those 4 players accepted offers to go elsewhere, they only did so because they were told they were unwanted and not in the plans of Sheens. Moving was not their preferred option.

I'm not suggesting Sheens should walk without a cent. He deserves better than that. I think though that this should be played out with a let's meet halfway approach. Afterall, Sheens did say he would walk if we failed. The club itself should honour it's end too. Afterall they did take the step of resigning him ahead of time.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Dunno - I'm not an economist. The USA never seems to make a profit but they seem to be able to raise loans. Clubs don't make profits on their own but with an NRL grant they probably balance the books most years.

Club struggles to make a profit.

Club has stuff all assets…...if only there was a transfer market, we could sell Benji to pay out Sheens.

With regard to the club grant, a large proportion of that is now at risk with Channel 9\. Someone will pick up that deal in a disaster, but it could be at a discount.

Shareholders are the only parties who could provide collateral or guarantee a loan.

 

[Yossarian]

Dunno - I'm not an economist. The USA never seems to make a profit but they seem to be able to raise loans. Clubs don't make profits on their own but with an NRL grant they probably balance the books most years.

Club struggles to make a profit.

Club has stuff all assets…...if only there was a transfer market, we could sell Benji to pay out Sheens.

With regard to the club grant, a large proportion of that is now at risk with Channel 9\. Someone will pick up that deal in a disaster, but it could be at a discount.

Shareholders are the only parties who could provide collateral or guarantee a loan.

Well it has an NRL license which brings a guarnanteed revenue stream. As I said above, I'm not an accountant and yes the clubs themselves probably struggle to make a profit, but the NRL grant normally means a balanced budget.

 

[Defiant]

The NRL grant is now in doubt was the point.

It is possible that ch9 will not be able to cough up the money.

 

[rossop]

You cant blame Sheens. He didnt sign himself to a two year extension. Humpty does not make me feel all warm & fuzzy. Maybe we can get Noyce back?!

 

[tigerbalm]

Can we pay by the month?
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[AmericanHistoryX]

what is humpty doing. why isnt he taking Sheens to court for not making the 8 with the roster he had at his disposal?