Save Our Sides Protest Rally - SUN 05FEB11

[Yossarian]

All read Roy masters article in the smh today. The truth is out there. Also a small point there is the comment about juniors for all those knockers who say there is no talent in MacArthur.
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You guys will get nowhere unless you can realise the difference between fact and opinion. I'm not saying what Roy Master wrote is wrong or incorrect but it was an opinion piece - his take on things. He makes claims and reflects on facts based in his interpretations. Take his comments on the amount of Wests Juniors in the Parra HM side. Looks bad on the surface, made me ask these questions:

1 - What is Roy's qualification for 'Wests Junior' (were they play for teams in the Wests are directly before being picked by Parra or is the link more tenuous? Families move all the time. Were some of these players Wests juniors several years before they got to HM age?
2 - What's wrong with Parramatta's juniors if they need to have so many ringers?
3 - Did Parramatta take our best juniors or was it a matter of there being so many decent Wests juniors that some didn't make the Wests HM side and went elsewhere?
4 - Did these "Wests Juniors" attend Parramatta open trials or were they targetted by Parra? If they went to the trials, what can be done to prevent this happening?

Roy's article looked like it was written by the protest organisers with a few additional thoughts from Roy himself. That was my impression anyway. I repeat again, I'm not saying he was wrong about everything but it was not hard to realise where his sympathies lie.

I'm not trying to start a fight over who is right or wrong, just pointing out the danger of accepting commentary as unbiased fact can be dangerous.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Roy's article looked like it was written by the protest organisers with a few additional thoughts from Roy himself. That was my impression anyway. I repeat again, I'm not saying he was wrong about everything but it was not hard to realise where his sympathies lie.

I did not get that impression at all. My view was that Roy is writing it predominantly from the perspective of Wests Ashfield. His article is very critical of how Western Suburbs have run the Campbelltown area, hence identifying the friction between Wests Campbelltown and Western Suburbs Football Club. He is not critical of Wests Tigers and actually notes the positive steps they are taking to shore up the area.

 

[happy_tiger]

All read Roy masters article in the smh today. The truth is out there. Also a small point there is the comment about juniors for all those knockers who say there is no talent in MacArthur.
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You guys will get nowhere unless you can realise the difference between fact and opinion. I'm not saying what Roy Master wrote is wrong or incorrect but it was an opinion piece - his take on things. He makes claims and reflects on facts based in his interpretations. Take his comments on the amount of Wests Juniors in the Parra HM side. Looks bad on the surface, made me ask these questions:

1 - What is Roy's qualification for 'Wests Junior' (were they play for teams in the Wests are directly before being picked by Parra or is the link more tenuous? Families move all the time. Were some of these players Wests juniors several years before they got to HM age?
2 - What's wrong with Parramatta's juniors if they need to have so many ringers?
3 - Did Parramatta take our best juniors or was it a matter of there being so many decent Wests juniors that some didn't make the Wests HM side and went elsewhere?
4 - Did these "Wests Juniors" attend Parramatta open trials or were they targetted by Parra? If they went to the trials, what can be done to prevent this happening?

Roy's article looked like it was written by the protest organisers with a few additional thoughts from Roy himself. That was my impression anyway. I repeat again, I'm not saying he was wrong about everything but it was not hard to realise where his sympathies lie.

I'm not trying to start a fight over who is right or wrong, just pointing out the danger of accepting commentary as unbiased fact can be dangerous.

Yoss I can't see Roy Masters letting someone write an article for him and then him adding his 10 cents worth in Despite what many believe Roy is a very intelligent person \ writer and likes to look at problems from a different perspective . Mate what makes me think it is fact is I can't see any holes in his argument and a lot of it makes sense Unlike Kent's piece of crap the other day

 

[batboy]

That's my take on it also GB.
With all the hoo haa that's been made of the Demands and the Rally
A lot of finger pointing has been done elsewhere… Not a lot of mention
about internal issues. Did I read it correctly that the Seniors Admin, Has hassles with Juniors
Admin??
If this is true, How can they talk about a path the NRL 1st, When there is no smooth transition between
Juniors and Senior in the Club it self... Before WT's

 

[Yossarian]

All read Roy masters article in the smh today. The truth is out there. Also a small point there is the comment about juniors for all those knockers who say there is no talent in MacArthur.
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You guys will get nowhere unless you can realise the difference between fact and opinion. I'm not saying what Roy Master wrote is wrong or incorrect but it was an opinion piece - his take on things. He makes claims and reflects on facts based in his interpretations. Take his comments on the amount of Wests Juniors in the Parra HM side. Looks bad on the surface, made me ask these questions:

1 - What is Roy's qualification for 'Wests Junior' (were they play for teams in the Wests are directly before being picked by Parra or is the link more tenuous? Families move all the time. Were some of these players Wests juniors several years before they got to HM age?
2 - What's wrong with Parramatta's juniors if they need to have so many ringers?
3 - Did Parramatta take our best juniors or was it a matter of there being so many decent Wests juniors that some didn't make the Wests HM side and went elsewhere?
4 - Did these "Wests Juniors" attend Parramatta open trials or were they targetted by Parra? If they went to the trials, what can be done to prevent this happening?

Roy's article looked like it was written by the protest organisers with a few additional thoughts from Roy himself. That was my impression anyway. I repeat again, I'm not saying he was wrong about everything but it was not hard to realise where his sympathies lie.

I'm not trying to start a fight over who is right or wrong, just pointing out the danger of accepting commentary as unbiased fact can be dangerous.

Yoss I can't see Roy Masters letting someone write an article for him and then him adding his 10 cents worth in Despite what many believe Roy is a very intelligent person \ writer and likes to look at problems from a different perspective . Mate what makes me think it is fact is I can't see any holes in his argument and a lot of it makes sense Unlike Kent's piece of crap the other day

I should make it clear I don't think RM had someone write it, I'm just saying it looked like it could have been written by a supporter of that cause. He may be intelligent but he also writes a lot of crap (not necessarily in this instance, just in general). Sure it looks good compared to Paul Kent but that's not saying much! It may be hard to spot flaws in what he is saying because as you point out, he is a smart man and is only going to present facts that reinforce his contentions.

Let me also add that it is a very well written article and RM makes his points very well and uses good quotes/facts/events to support what he is writing. I have no doubts personally that the majority is probably true.

Again I'm not really commenting about whether RM is right or wrong, just pointing out that it is an opinion piece and shouldn't be treated as gospel. His interpretation on events may be right. Or they may be wrong!

 

[wtfl1981]

Can anyone please tell me what RM means by having a peaceful renewal of the nrl licence???
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[Gary_Bakerloo]

Can anyone please tell me what RM means by having a peaceful renewal of the nrl licence???
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Conflict between the Wests Group.

 

[magpiecol]

Good piece by Roy as usual. No matter that some people cannot see the forest through the trees!

I guess that without an agreement between Wests and Balmain then there will be no joint venture. Ergo, no Weststigers.

 

[wtfl1981]

I guess balmain + magpies + ashfield + campbelltown could take the wt licence and refresh relationships on all levels for wt or if wests group could decide to pursue the licence on its own (unlikely i think) but with the financial situation with balmain does make it interesting. The nrl commission would need to step in.
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[Blackandwhite]

All read Roy masters article in the smh today. The truth is out there. Also a small point there is the comment about juniors for all those knockers who say there is no talent in MacArthur.
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No Talent ? Who said that ?
Minor premiers SG Ball 2011, One win away from SG Ball Grand Final in 2010.

There is loads of talent, Point is that talent is going elsewhere although I don't think his 9 kids from Wests playing for Parra is right.

 

[Knuckles]

The responsilibity for running the junior league should rest with the WT's. The Magpies have been up there for 25 years and all they've done is get everyone off side. This is a great opportunity to start again, put in place a new structure and all pull together in the one direction. I don't see a problem in the team training all together at Concord and having some training sessions at cambo. There has to be give and take. I wouldn't mind the kiddies teams being re-named Macarthur Magpies so the locals feel more a part of it. The Wests part is not all that relevant in Macarthur. There must be all sorts of ways they can improve the way things are done. Just need people to bend a bit and put aside there own personal situations.

 

[wtfl1981]

Agree wests juniors needs better administration. We must all remember. Campbelltown has a nrl presence because of wests magpies who contributed 3/4 to the birth to wests tigers. An overhaul of everything involved in macarthur rugby league needs a fix. That is the key objective of the rally
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[Yossarian]

Agree wests juniors needs better administration. We must all remember. Campbelltown has a nrl presence because of **wests magpies who contributed 3/4 to the birth to wests tigers**. An overhaul of everything involved in macarthur rugby league needs a fix. That is the key objective of the rally
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Mate you make some good points and show a lot of passion but stuff like this really undermines your arguments.

 

[Blackandwhite]

The responsilibity for running the junior league should rest with the WT's. The Magpies have been up there for 25 years and all they've done is get everyone off side. This is a great opportunity to start again, put in place a new structure and all pull together in the one direction. I don't see a problem in the team training all together at Concord and having some training sessions at cambo. There has to be give and take. I wouldn't mind the kiddies teams being re-named Macarthur Magpies so the locals feel more a part of it. The Wests part is not all that relevant in Macarthur. There must be all sorts of ways they can improve the way things are done. Just need people to bend a bit and put aside there own personal situations.

Wests Junior league are so far behind the rest of the community they are only now just deciding to dispense with oranges at half time !
If Wests Tigers can put some professionalism into the camp then go for it.
I like that "Macarthur Magpies" why not.

 

[Goose]

All read Roy masters article in the smh today. The truth is out there. Also a small point there is the comment about juniors for all those knockers who say there is no talent in MacArthur.
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No Talent ? Who said that ?
Minor premiers SG Ball 2011, One win away from SG Ball Grand Final in 2010.

There is loads of talent, Point is that talent is going elsewhere although I don't think his 9 kids from Wests playing for Parra is right.

anyone who said that there was no talent out there is kidding them self.

 

[Chunk]

People involved in the rally ask yourselves this….

Do you want the $400,000 or whatever it is spent on the Wests Tigers or a Magpies second division team?

The money can be spent on Junior development in the Wests Region.
Embrace the future not the past.

Magpies have never had enough money and have always struggled and will continue to struggle. Or don't know how to use it.

Wests Tigers for me all the way.

 

[galahs]

The thing everyone misses here is if you take the Magpies out of the NSW Cup, the Macarthur region loses its last senior rep side for that entire area.

Where do our local kids, and I repeat, kids go who don’t make Wests Tigers U20′s team?

You will have 19 year olds being sent back to club footy when they could have continued honing their skills with the Magpies in the NSW Cup.

We need more opportunities for kids in the South West of Sydney, not less!

When you consider Wests Tigers U20′s teams are filled with imports from around Australia, Keebra Park and New Zealand…. it doesn’t leave many spots for our local kids to give rep footy a try.

This is about doing what is right for the area. Wests Tigers only care about Wests Tigers.
As locals from the area, we have to finally stand up and say enough is enough.

Join the SOS (Save our Sides) Rugby League Protest Rally on Sunday the 5th February at Campbelltown Council @ 10am. We will march to Campbelltown Stadium. We need to stand up and be counted!

 

[system]

STATEMENT FROM WESTS ASHFIELD LEAGUES CLUB
13/01/2012 2:00:01 PM
The Board of Wests Ashfield Leagues Club would like to make the following points in relation to matters raised in the media in the past few days.
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Wests Ashfield Leagues is a shareholder in the joint venture known as Wests Tigers. Wests Ashfield Leagues has continued to work with Wests Tigers to achieve the best possible outcomes for the joint venture, whilst continuing to support and respect the heritage, history, and contribution of the Western Suburbs District Rugby League Club – The Magpies.
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Wests Ashfield Leagues has agreed, in principle, to support the conduct of a single NSW Cup team, representative of both JV clubs, in season 2013\. Furthermore, Wests Tigers and Wests Ashfield Leagues have agreed that –
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o Western Suburbs Magpies is recognised as the district club in the Campbelltown area,
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o Western Suburbs Magpies will continue to participate (as the Magpies) in junior representative Harold Matthews and S G Ball and, where appropriate, other competitions,
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o Western Suburbs Magpies retains all of its rights, including the ability to review the operation of a single State Cup team in future years,
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o Wests Tigers continues to work with Western Suburbs Magpies to ensure that appropriate pathways are met for the junior Rugby League players in the south west,
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o The 2013 combined State Cup playing strip would alternate between Wests and Balmain colours.
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Wests Ashfield Leagues recognises the significant financial contribution required to meet obligations to all Rugby League stakeholders and the need to prioritise the appropriation of available funding to meet these needs.
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Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Deputy Chairman Russell Smith said it was important to keep focus on the real issues at play in this situation.
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“Wests Ashfield Leagues remains totally committed to the continuing sustainable role of Wests Magpies as a vital component in the structure of Rugby League to continue to provide a well defined and positive pathway for aspiring players in the Campbelltown and surrounding regions,’’ Mr Smith said.
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“We have confidence in the management of the Wests Tigers joint venture as portrayed in the results that have been achieved in the recent past.”
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Changes to the Wests Magpies Board will take affect next week, and the new Board will work closely with all stakeholders to ensure all normal operations and functions of a district club continue in what will be a fruitful 2012 season and a bright future.

http://www.weststigers.com.au/?s=article-display&id=46253&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

 

[Ed_Reschs]

Galahs, don't those that don't make NYC go to group 6? That's where they should be going to keep the local comp strong. They will learn more on a Sunday at Sid sharpe or Victoria park than they would playing in a 2nd tier park comp against blokes the same age. Mate I understand ur passion tho.
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[Cultured_Bogan]

The thing everyone misses here is if you take the Magpies out of the NSW Cup, the Macarthur region loses its last senior rep side for that entire area.

Where do our local kids, and I repeat, kids go who don’t make Wests Tigers U20′s team?

You will have 19 year olds being sent back to club footy when they could have continued honing their skills with the Magpies in the NSW Cup.

We need more opportunities for kids in the South West of Sydney, not less!

When you consider Wests Tigers U20′s teams are filled with imports from around Australia, Keebra Park and New Zealand…. it doesn’t leave many spots for our local kids to give rep footy a try.

This is about doing what is right for the area. Wests Tigers only care about Wests Tigers.
As locals from the area, we have to finally stand up and say enough is enough.

Join the SOS (Save our Sides) Rugby League Protest Rally on Sunday the 5th February at Campbelltown Council @ 10am. We will march to Campbelltown Stadium. We need to stand up and be counted!

Sad to say that if they are missing out on the U20's or aren't playing NRL by the time they graduate, they never will. We saw that last year with Wests and Balmain. Anyone who played for Wests was basically branded never to play FG.

The number of players graduating from the U20's and the players missing out altogether on U20's will far outstrip the limited vacancies available (left by players retiring, being let go or moving onto other clubs,) of both the NSW Cup teams. Kids are missing out every year and basically being thrown on the scrap heap. By your logic, we should be starting more teams to accommodate for them?

You want to pay money to keep a team afloat that has no real future or pathway for the players to move into the NRL. That's bordering on lunacy and not viable.