Save Our Sides Protest Rally - SUN 05FEB11
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What would be wrong with 1 WT State Cup Team based at Concord and both clubs having a Jim Beam Cup team each. Costs for a Jim Beam team would be sustainable and everyone then supports the One State Cup team.
I know that I would be happy with that arrangement and the extra players that aren't required for 20's or State Cup can be distributed to the 2 clubs. That seems the fairest way to do things although it may not be feasible to have 3 teams training at Concord.
I know that I would be happy with that arrangement and the extra players that aren't required for 20's or State Cup can be distributed to the 2 clubs. That seems the fairest way to do things although it may not be feasible to have 3 teams training at Concord.
@Yossarian said:
Agreed Yoss, the Wests Campbelltown members need to be made aware of what is happening (which I guess is one of the aims of the protest) so they have an opportunity to have their say at an AGM for the board to be aware of and their rep at Wests Tigers.
ps it reads like there is a lot of bad blood between Wests magpies and some board members of wests Campbelltown which may stem back to the Magpies relocation to Campbelltown, if this is true then it is very unfortunate.
@Scorcher said:
Nothing really.
I personally would argue that an area as big as what Wests Magpies covers should be able to have a Bundy Cup AND NSW Cup team.
The amount of hurdles thrown at East Campbelltoen Eagles by the junior league when it put in a Bundy Cup team is near of un-imaginable.
That is why we need a complete shape up of the whole administration of league in the area.
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I want to see Wests Tigers continue to be very successfull, but I don't think it has to be at the expense of the Magpies and the kids from the Liverpool, Macarthur region.
The issue should be raised at the next Wests Cambo AGM so the issue can be aired once and for all and sorted in favour of the majority of members who make the effort to attend and hopefully that will be plenty once the word is out. I want to see the Wests Tigers continue to be successful and not harmed by protests and the like. I would also like to hear/vote on a strategy that best represents the interests of juniors and rugby league in the Liverpool/Macarthur area, if that is through the survival of the Wests Magpies then so be it, if it isn't then let's hear from the powers that be why it isn't.
Original_Magpie
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maybe some one could write a letter to the chronicle or advertiser to bring light to this?
I've sent letters to them both.
The official Save Our Sides press release will be released in the next few days.
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I have been getting complaints from kids parents about why they have to travel all the way to Concord for their kids to train when they used to be able to train locally at Campbelltown.
These same kids are getting offers from St George Illawarra, the Bulldogs, Parramatta and Penrith.
The one thing Wests had going for them was distance. They offered a local opportunity. Remove that and guess where these kids will go.
The official Save Our Sides press release will be released in the next few days.
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I have been getting complaints from kids parents about why they have to travel all the way to Concord for their kids to train when they used to be able to train locally at Campbelltown.
These same kids are getting offers from St George Illawarra, the Bulldogs, Parramatta and Penrith.
The one thing Wests had going for them was distance. They offered a local opportunity. Remove that and guess where these kids will go.
Original_Magpie
New member
ive heard that the dragons have come to some agreement with the magpies is this true?
St-George Illawarra will be fed by Illawarra Steelers NSW Cup team in 2012
Magpies chairman has confirmed no formal tie to St-George-Ilawarra for 2012
The situation with Campbelltown needs a fix for the **best interest** of Macarthur Rugby League Community (juniors and reps), NSW Cup or potential bundy cup situation, WT first grade success and commercial success and at the same time respect the history and traditon of the Wests Magpies club that brought first grade to Campbelltown originally and contributed 3/4 (football club + Ashfield + Leumeah) to the birth of Wests Tigers
As a Passionate Wests Tigers fan, with Magpie blood and leagues club member hoping for 'something better' then 4 x often monday night or 2nd tier friday night NRL games at ctown.
Magpies chairman has confirmed no formal tie to St-George-Ilawarra for 2012
The situation with Campbelltown needs a fix for the **best interest** of Macarthur Rugby League Community (juniors and reps), NSW Cup or potential bundy cup situation, WT first grade success and commercial success and at the same time respect the history and traditon of the Wests Magpies club that brought first grade to Campbelltown originally and contributed 3/4 (football club + Ashfield + Leumeah) to the birth of Wests Tigers
As a Passionate Wests Tigers fan, with Magpie blood and leagues club member hoping for 'something better' then 4 x often monday night or 2nd tier friday night NRL games at ctown.
I want to quote a part of the Western Suburbs Magpies Constitution. This is law by which the company must follow.
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The objects for which the Company is established are:
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to foster, encourage, promote and control the development playing and interests of Rugby League Football within the area of boundaries of the Company as defined from time to time in the by-laws of the League.
It is part of the Magpies constitution to ensure what is best is done for its area regarding the development of Rugby Leage. What the Wests Tigers are proposing and doing by moving local kids to Balmain Tigers, and the remainder to Concord burwood Bundy Cup is not in the best interests of Rugby League in the Magpiers district and therefor it cannot be supported.
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8\. (a)
The objects for which the Company is established are:
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to foster, encourage, promote and control the development playing and interests of Rugby League Football within the area of boundaries of the Company as defined from time to time in the by-laws of the League.
It is part of the Magpies constitution to ensure what is best is done for its area regarding the development of Rugby Leage. What the Wests Tigers are proposing and doing by moving local kids to Balmain Tigers, and the remainder to Concord burwood Bundy Cup is not in the best interests of Rugby League in the Magpiers district and therefor it cannot be supported.
wests4ever
New member
What I would like to know is "HOW DID IT HAVE TO COME TO THIS?"
I just don't get it?????? .
I just don't get it?????? .
I must admit when the Wests Tigers first started the Magpies board were not as accepting of the joint Venture as Balmain were. That was the first mistake.
but the Magpies new board are all Wests Tigers supporters and understand that the Magpies position is to develop juniors from the Liverpool and Macarthur region into NRL players for the Wests Tigers.
However for what ever reason, since 2006 the Wests Tigers want to break down the Magpies. This could only happen if a member of Wests board voted along with it. Wests Leagues Club Campbelltown was that member.
In 2006 - 2007 all Magpie juniors in the Wests Tigers top 25 were forced to play with Balmain Tigers in the Premier League (NSW Cup) when not required for NRL duty.
The Magpies chairman Kevin Hammond strongly fought this idea and got the players back for 2008 - 2009.
Kevin left the Magpies and straight away the Wests Tigers were at it again.
In 2011 the Magpies lost the core of their semi final team as they were again forced to play for Balmain Tigers. The Magpies at the last minute had to rebuild an entire new team from scratch.s
They actually did very well in the back end of the season against all odds which is proof to the talent depth in the region. Most of these kids have now been signed to rival clubs, which is great they were signed, but a shame not by Wests Tigers.
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In 2012 the Wests Tigers again put forward the motion to disolve the Magpies and for a single Wests Tigers NSW Cup team based out of Concord.
When the Magpies opposed this decision as they believed it wasn't the best for their region, Wests Tigers spat the dummy.
They have stopped ALL support of the Magpies NSW Cup team. The Magpies are not going to get any Wests Tigers players not required for NRL or U20s duty, in fact they they are choosing to send kids to the Concord Burwood Bundy Cup team rather than back to the Magpies.
They are also refusing to provide even basics like strapping and gatorade to the Magpies.
However, Wests Tigers are continuing to fully support Balmain Tigers NSW Cup and make it the SOLE feeder of the Wests Tigers.
So much for a joint venture. So much for the kids out in Sydney's South West.
Our club has tried to negotiate a peace deal with the Wests Tigers but they have basically told us to get stuffed.
So here we are…
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All we want is a return to what worked for everybody in 2005.
- The Magpies NSW Cup team based in Campbelltown, giving local kids a chance to play and train locally.
- The Wests Tigers then supply us with an equal amount of players along with Balmain not required for NRL or U20's.
- We want to play our home games prior to Wests Tigers NRL games at Campbelltown where possible.
- We would like to see more than 4 NRL games a year at Campbelltown Stadium.
- We want to make sure that the Magpie on the sleeve of the Wests Tigers jersey isn't slipping away, as it seems to have fallen from the shoulder, as is law in the Wests Tigers constitution, to the cuff off the sleeve.
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In return, we are more than happy to ensure the Magpie junior and NSW Cup teams are run in accordance to the requirements of the Wests Tigers.
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I really don't think that is too much to ask. So why are they opposed to this?
but the Magpies new board are all Wests Tigers supporters and understand that the Magpies position is to develop juniors from the Liverpool and Macarthur region into NRL players for the Wests Tigers.
However for what ever reason, since 2006 the Wests Tigers want to break down the Magpies. This could only happen if a member of Wests board voted along with it. Wests Leagues Club Campbelltown was that member.
In 2006 - 2007 all Magpie juniors in the Wests Tigers top 25 were forced to play with Balmain Tigers in the Premier League (NSW Cup) when not required for NRL duty.
The Magpies chairman Kevin Hammond strongly fought this idea and got the players back for 2008 - 2009.
Kevin left the Magpies and straight away the Wests Tigers were at it again.
In 2011 the Magpies lost the core of their semi final team as they were again forced to play for Balmain Tigers. The Magpies at the last minute had to rebuild an entire new team from scratch.s
They actually did very well in the back end of the season against all odds which is proof to the talent depth in the region. Most of these kids have now been signed to rival clubs, which is great they were signed, but a shame not by Wests Tigers.
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In 2012 the Wests Tigers again put forward the motion to disolve the Magpies and for a single Wests Tigers NSW Cup team based out of Concord.
When the Magpies opposed this decision as they believed it wasn't the best for their region, Wests Tigers spat the dummy.
They have stopped ALL support of the Magpies NSW Cup team. The Magpies are not going to get any Wests Tigers players not required for NRL or U20s duty, in fact they they are choosing to send kids to the Concord Burwood Bundy Cup team rather than back to the Magpies.
They are also refusing to provide even basics like strapping and gatorade to the Magpies.
However, Wests Tigers are continuing to fully support Balmain Tigers NSW Cup and make it the SOLE feeder of the Wests Tigers.
So much for a joint venture. So much for the kids out in Sydney's South West.
Our club has tried to negotiate a peace deal with the Wests Tigers but they have basically told us to get stuffed.
So here we are…
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All we want is a return to what worked for everybody in 2005.
- The Magpies NSW Cup team based in Campbelltown, giving local kids a chance to play and train locally.
- The Wests Tigers then supply us with an equal amount of players along with Balmain not required for NRL or U20's.
- We want to play our home games prior to Wests Tigers NRL games at Campbelltown where possible.
- We would like to see more than 4 NRL games a year at Campbelltown Stadium.
- We want to make sure that the Magpie on the sleeve of the Wests Tigers jersey isn't slipping away, as it seems to have fallen from the shoulder, as is law in the Wests Tigers constitution, to the cuff off the sleeve.
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In return, we are more than happy to ensure the Magpie junior and NSW Cup teams are run in accordance to the requirements of the Wests Tigers.
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I really don't think that is too much to ask. So why are they opposed to this?
Original_Magpie
New member
the balmain fans never travel to see the wests tigers play at ctown stadium any way and tbh balmain has no junior base
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I am afraid it seems that the current board will be punished for the joke that previously was the Western Suburbs board.
The simple reality, unfortunate as it is, is that previous admin fought tooth and nail over absolute trivialities for the sake of arguing and that Wests Tigers has gotten the upper hand and ensured they won't be held over a barrel over stupid, petty issues ever again.
It is highly unfortunate because from what I know of the new board they are much stronger minded towards a balanced view of the business of football. But trying to negotiate a peace deal as you put it when the people they took over from threw all the chips in (and in some cases held the previous WT admins to ransom) and lost badly leaves you in the worst possible position.
Regardless of where it is based I believe strongly in the one State Cup concept and at this point in time it needs to be based relatively close to the headquarters of WT.
I also believe that the club needs to structure a Bundy Red Cup side which would be made up of slower developing , younger players and veterans still running around. I think that this team should be based out of CSS and bear the Wests Tigers logo. Bigger picture is that Bundy Red Cup has better support in terms of crowds as well and is a better grass roots organisation than the structure of the NSW Cup.
I disagree with the point about young people on minimum wages having to travel everyday. Quite frankly this is the reality of being on the lower wrungs and working while young. It is no different than a whole bunch of other kids who travel from the Macarthur district to jobs in the CBD every weekday and work alot longer hours than these young men are being asked to
The simple reality, unfortunate as it is, is that previous admin fought tooth and nail over absolute trivialities for the sake of arguing and that Wests Tigers has gotten the upper hand and ensured they won't be held over a barrel over stupid, petty issues ever again.
It is highly unfortunate because from what I know of the new board they are much stronger minded towards a balanced view of the business of football. But trying to negotiate a peace deal as you put it when the people they took over from threw all the chips in (and in some cases held the previous WT admins to ransom) and lost badly leaves you in the worst possible position.
Regardless of where it is based I believe strongly in the one State Cup concept and at this point in time it needs to be based relatively close to the headquarters of WT.
I also believe that the club needs to structure a Bundy Red Cup side which would be made up of slower developing , younger players and veterans still running around. I think that this team should be based out of CSS and bear the Wests Tigers logo. Bigger picture is that Bundy Red Cup has better support in terms of crowds as well and is a better grass roots organisation than the structure of the NSW Cup.
I disagree with the point about young people on minimum wages having to travel everyday. Quite frankly this is the reality of being on the lower wrungs and working while young. It is no different than a whole bunch of other kids who travel from the Macarthur district to jobs in the CBD every weekday and work alot longer hours than these young men are being asked to
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@Original Magpie said:
:roll :roll You goose.
The bait is over ripe and old. Its akin to fishing for tuna and burlying the water with your own faeces
@Original Magpie said:
Do you have a basis to back that "fact" up?
Offer something constructive to the discussion other than statements designed to troll other members otherwise they will be deleted.
@smeghead said:
Oh there's no shortage of would-be amateur anglers on these threads. :unamused:
@smeghead said:
It is a shame.
Regardless of where it is based I believe strongly in the one State Cup concept and at this point in time it needs to be based relatively close to the headquarters of WT.
Canberra use Mounties
Melbourne use Cronulla
so I don't agree.
I also believe that the club needs to structure a Bundy Red Cup side which would be made up of slower developing , younger players and veterans still running around. I think that this team should be based out of CSS and bear the Wests Tigers logo. Bigger picture is that Bundy Red Cup has better support in terms of crowds as well and is a better grass roots organisation than the structure of the NSW Cup.
I agree a Bundy Cup side would definately be of benefit.
I disagree with the point about young people on minimum wages having to travel everyday. Quite frankly this is the reality of being on the lower wrungs and working while young. It is no different than a whole bunch of other kids who travel from the Macarthur district to jobs in the CBD every weekday and work alot longer hours than these young men are being asked to
Mate some of these kids are on less than $5,000 a year. We arn't talking anywhere near minimum wage.
It barely covers transport costs to and from training.
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