Save Our Sides Protest Rally - SUN 05FEB11

[AmericanHistoryX]

I'm sorry guys, im all confused. As far as im concerned you can never take the Wests out of Wests Tigers. Wests Magpies will never die. Its in your heart, its in your mind, its a part of who you are, and no one can take that away from you. The history books will show that we once were and still are. We will never forget our past, the clouds of dust and the buckets of blood. No white collar nuffie from Wests and Balmain will amputate part of my soul. Andy Defrane said when he was in Shawshank and in solitary confinement for a number of weeks/months that they couldnt take his music away from him because it was inside him. Well, the magpie is inside of us, its their forever or at least till we die, and that we will rest assured. Happy New year to all fellow forum members. What a beautiful day today is. I love life so much. So great to be alive today!

 

[batboy]

From my position is the problem doesn't seem to be your lack of Identity…
Seems to be the Lack of Funding.
Find a new sponsor and March on your own, Like you did last year.
It's not like the Maggies weren't competitive!! And I reckon if Benny Jeffery had of stuck around and played some time at 5/8 they'd have done a damn site better....
Have the Magpies made all past desicions in "The best interests of Rugby League in the District" Up to this point??

**I'm a share holder of the Commonwealth Bank, It gives me the right to express my opinion, Not give instruction on how the buisness should be run… There's a guy employed to do that, And he is doing a K**K AR*E job!**

Wests Tigers are a Private company

They have shareholders, Wests and Balmain

They are governed by their constitution.

The Wests Tigers constitution clearly says we WILL retain our identity in all other competitions apart from the NRL.

To change the constitution requires a UNANIMOUS vote by the shareholders.

The Magpies currently will not vote to agree to this decision as we believe it isn't in the best interest of our district.

And the MAgpies constitutions states, all decision the Magpies make must be in the best interest of Rugby League (not the Wests Tigers) for our district.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

**<big>DT Article - How West was lost</big>**

Paul Kent The Daily Telegraph January 12, 2012 12:00AM
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**It continued until Tim Sheens realised more harm than good was being done and declared that rather than split his fringe first-graders between the Magpies and Balmain he would send them all to one club, where they stood a greater chance of helping each other improve. He chose Balmain Ryde Eastwood.**

This is an outright lie!!!

I'm confuzed, how is that an outright lie? I'm not trying to challange your opinion or anything, i just don't see how its a lie. It seems pretty accurate to me

 

[Knuckles]

The only part I don't understand is why did Ashfield prolong it for so long. Why did they keep the lifeline going to the football club for so long ? I can only think of two possible answers:

1\. There was the possibility Balmain would fall over and the licence would go to Wests
2\. Its something they've always done and kept it going for sentimental reasons

It never made any sense why Ashfield would keep sending money to Campbelltown. There's nothing in the constitiution that says they are obliged to do it.

Anyway, finally logic has come to fruition. One I day I hope to see all 4 leagues clubs called Wests Tigers. Also hope to see one WT Football club that replaces the current football clubs and embraces the history and traditions of the Magpies and Balmain.

Then we will be truly one club not a joint venture any longer.

 

[Staks]

What happens in the future if the Wests Tigers make a loss? Who will put the money in to balance the books?….

Wests Ashfield are like a mad scientist...

 

[Knuckles]

They should have retained earnings on the balance sheet to cover it or they need an investor to kick in.

 

[Yossarian]

**I'm a share holder of the Commonwealth Bank, It gives me the right to express my opinion, Not give instruction on how the buisness should be run… There's a guy employed to do that, And he is doing a K**K AR*E job!**

Wests Tigers are a Private company

They have shareholders, Wests and Balmain

They are governed by their constitution.

The Wests Tigers constitution clearly says we WILL retain our identity in all other competitions apart from the NRL.

To change the constitution requires a UNANIMOUS vote by the shareholders.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I would have thought that would mean WT won't stop the Magpies haveing a team in non-NRL competitions. I find it hard to believe it would a) prevent the WT from entering teams in non-NRL comps and/or b) compel the WT to fund/provide players for a Magpies team.

Near as I can tell, nobody from WT is saying the Magpies can't enter a team in the state cup. The only thing that's happening is the WT (and Wests Ashfield) won't give any money and WT won't allow players under WT contracts to appear for the Magpies.

If what the WT (or anyone involved) is doing something blatantly against the constitution of the club(s) I would have thought some sort of legal or administrative process could be commenced?

 

[Balmain_Bug]

The underlying issue or pehaps it can be better described as the causation of this entire sage is being missed by everyone, or almost everyone. Two people who have posted here are on the right track with what is really going on.

Look deep and hard at the health of all WT stakeholders, the laws of the WT Joint venture and you will see what is really going on.

 

[Yossarian]

The underlying issue or pehaps it can be better described as the causation of this entire sage is being missed by everyone, or almost everyone. Two people who have posted here are on the right track with what is really going on.

Look deep and hard at the health of all WT stakeholders, the laws of the WT Joint venture and you will see what is really going on.

Well let's not get too cute about it - just give us your take on the cause and what laws are supposedly a factor…

 

[Balmain_Bug]

Yossarian,
Wests Tigers are breaching the constitutional agreements of the Joint Venture but Wests Magpies dont have the cash to take them to court.

 

[Balmain_Bug]

The underlying issue or pehaps it can be better described as the causation of this entire sage is being missed by everyone, or almost everyone. Two people who have posted here are on the right track with what is really going on.

Look deep and hard at the health of all WT stakeholders, the laws of the WT Joint venture and you will see what is really going on.

Well let's not get too cute about it - just give us your take on the cause and what laws are supposedly a factor…

Look at the Health of all stakeholders.

 

[Yossarian]

The underlying issue or pehaps it can be better described as the causation of this entire sage is being missed by everyone, or almost everyone. Two people who have posted here are on the right track with what is really going on.

Look deep and hard at the health of all WT stakeholders, the laws of the WT Joint venture and you will see what is really going on.

Well let's not get too cute about it - just give us your take on the cause and what laws are supposedly a factor…

Look at the Health of all stakeholders.

So this is about Balmain not having enough money?

 

[system]

The underlying issue or pehaps it can be better described as the causation of this entire sage is being missed by everyone, or almost everyone. Two people who have posted here are on the right track with what is really going on.

Look deep and hard at the health of all WT stakeholders, the laws of the WT Joint venture and you will see what is really going on.

Well you could take the route of conspiracy theory and that this is all to protect the Balmain side of the venture. However that would mean accepting the notion that if that side were to fall short on financial obligations that the other side would assume full control over the NRL license.

Whilst I enjoy absurdist comedy and that scenario is absurd the simple reality of it all would be that Wests Tigers would most likely be offered to carry on the license under their own banner beholdent to nobody.

In all of this though the most likely scenario would be that Wests Ashfield (the money) has had a downturn and thinks that Wests Tigers is a far better ally moving forward than Wests Magpies. Added to the fact that the incompetence of the Football Club (the fossils) mixed with self interested throwbacks who have lined their ego and pockets over the years on "the moneys" dollars made the decision very easy for them to make.

I would hazard a guess that if the membership of Wests Ashfield were called to vote on the issue that the vast majority would either support the move or tick the box optioned "I came here today for my pokie, meal and drink vouchers, I dont really care leave me alone"

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

What exactly are the Benefits to the Head Coach and the System of having to work with 2 sets of Reserve Grade staff and Players, Who incidentally… Are opponents in the same competition?

Sorry, I did not see this question in your post(s).

**There is the benefit of having a bigger talent pool**, but from a financial perspective (and my own personal perspective), one second tier team is preferable.

That really depends on ones opinion, there is really no proof to suggest that you actually end up with a bigger talent pool to choose from, particularly if you look at Balmain/BRET and Wests Magpies in relation to any success in the NSWRL competition over the years, more so it could be said that you dilute the talent pool, the reality is many of the players spread between 2 NSW cup sides are not of the quality to ever make any real impression in the NRL and you may ultimately just end up with two weak NSW Cup sides.

You may have a bigger pool to choose from, but not necessarily a bigger talent pool….

 

[Balmain_Bug]

Smeg,
Your assumptions are steering you off track.
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Bug

 

[system]

I would disagree Bug.

 

[Yossarian]

Well it seems to me the decision/desire by WT to field a single State Cup team under the WT banner has bugger all to do with Balmain. That's my take on it anyway.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Well it seems to me the decision/desire by WT to field a single State Cup team under the WT banner has bugger all to do with Balmain. That's my take on it anyway.

It all comes back to costs or more precisely, cutting costs to reduce pressure on the leagues clubs.

In 2010 Balmain Leagues paid the Balmain Football Club $930k, $150k of this amount was required for Wests Tigers so implies $780k for State Cup and junior football. Wests Ashfield paid $150k to Wests Tigers and $600k to Western Suburbs Football Club.

Cut one of the State Cup teams and bring its expense under the Wests Tigers. It is pretty easy to see the cost savings for the Leagues clubs. Given the current financial position of Balmain Leagues, it would be of some relief.

 

[Yossarian]

Well it seems to me the decision/desire by WT to field a single State Cup team under the WT banner has bugger all to do with Balmain. That's my take on it anyway.

It all comes back to costs or more precisely, cutting costs to reduce pressure on the leagues clubs.

In 2010 Balmain Leagues paid the Balmain Football Club $930k, $150k of this amount was required for Wests Tigers so implies $780k for State Cup and junior football. Wests Ashfield paid $150k to Wests Tigers and $600k to Western Suburbs Football Club.

Cut one of the State Cup teams and bring its expense under the Wests Tigers. It is pretty easy to see the cost savings for the Leagues clubs. Given the current financial position of Balmain Leagues, it would be of some relief.

I think you're creating an artificial cause and effect. Sure this decision reduces the financial burden of Balmain Leagues but I'm yet to see any proof that the decision to have one team was made BECAUSE of the financial problems at Balmain. It seems to be the decision has more to do with creating a more streamlined structure that benefits the football operations.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

I think you're creating an artificial cause and effect. Sure this decision reduces the financial burden of Balmain Leagues but I'm yet to see any proof that the decision to have one team was made BECAUSE of the financial problems at Balmain. It seems to be the decision has more to do with creating a more streamlined structure that benefits the football operations.

I find it difficult to understand how the financial stress of Balmain Leagues and the streamlining of football operations are not related.