Sheens replacing Madge

[Tim Sheens]

I think his structures do not work in the modern game and he is unable to adapt.

I've read this type of comment a few times. And this is not a criticism of your post - what are his structures, what exactly are you talking about? Have there not been changes made, different approaches?

Because the issue I have is Madge's results are not any better or worse than anyone in a decade. He's getting the same non-results as everyone else, except it's more dire this time around because fans are only ever more tired of the failures.

Ivan Cleary had our team, didn't get them to the finals across the best part of 2 seasons. He moves to Penrith and after one dodgy season they are Top 2. So why is it Cleary could get Panthers to the top but not Tigers. Is it the coach? I don't know if people realise that Cleary coached Tigers 43 times, Madge 59 times - not so far apart in tenure. But people didn't want to sack Cleary?

Everyone was hoping that Roger Ramjet would join us that’s why .

Wasn't that a hoot at the time and many still believed it after dad's press conference.

 

[hobbo1]

I think his structures do not work in the modern game and he is unable to adapt.

I've read this type of comment a few times. And this is not a criticism of your post - what are his structures, what exactly are you talking about? Have there not been changes made, different approaches?

Because the issue I have is Madge's results are not any better or worse than anyone in a decade. He's getting the same non-results as everyone else, except it's more dire this time around because fans are only ever more tired of the failures.

Ivan Cleary had our team, didn't get them to the finals across the best part of 2 seasons. He moves to Penrith and after one dodgy season they are Top 2. So why is it Cleary could get Panthers to the top but not Tigers. Is it the coach? I don't know if people realise that Cleary coached Tigers 43 times, Madge 59 times - not so far apart in tenure. But people didn't want to sack Cleary?

Everyone was hoping that Roger Ramjet would join us that’s why .

Wasn't that a hoot at the time and many still believed it after dad's press conference.

I never got sucked in ?

 

[hobbo1]

I would love to see Sheens over see the appointment of Robbie Farah as head coach.

The combination of the two would work imo. Farah having never been concerned about being popular and making friends would put an end to guys like Moses who have never been dropped. He would make the tough calls in a heart beat and his heart beats for this club.

Sheens over the top of him would be the perfect mentor and cover the areas he may be lacking like recruitment.

2023 should be the target but id be happy if i woke up tomorrow and this had happened.

Didn’t Farah get sheens sacked ?

 

[The_Patriot]

The real issue with Maguire that no one seems to mention is his lack of charisma and personality.

Ask yourself the question who is this guy, what does he do for fun. Is he married, what do we know about him other than he is robotic and militant in his approach to coaching.

The now generation will never respond to that. They need someone they can respect and relate to.

I doubt many of our players either respect or relate to this guy.

There in lies the problem.

 

[cochise]

I would love to see Sheens over see the appointment of Robbie Farah as head coach.

The combination of the two would work imo. Farah having never been concerned about being popular and making friends would put an end to guys like Moses who have never been dropped. He would make the tough calls in a heart beat and his heart beats for this club.

Sheens over the top of him would be the perfect mentor and cover the areas he may be lacking like recruitment.

2023 should be the target but id be happy if i woke up tomorrow and this had happened.

Are you kidding?

 

[Tiger5150]

I would love to see Sheens over see the appointment of Robbie Farah as head coach.

The combination of the two would work imo. Farah having never been concerned about being popular and making friends would put an end to guys like Moses who have never been dropped. He would make the tough calls in a heart beat and his heart beats for this club.

Sheens over the top of him would be the perfect mentor and cover the areas he may be lacking like recruitment.

2023 should be the target but id be happy if i woke up tomorrow and this had happened.

For the LOL's?

 

[hobbo1]

The real issue with Maguire that no one seems to mention is his lack of charisma and personality.

Ask yourself the question who is this guy, what does he do for fun. Is he married, what do we know about him other than he is robotic and militant in his approach to coaching.

The now generation will never respond to that. They need someone they can respect and relate to.

I doubt many of our players either respect or relate to this guy.

There in lies the problem.

Gunnery Sergeant (full metal jacket )

Maybe Bennett could teach Madge to dance ?

 

[jirskyr]

The real issue with Maguire that no one seems to mention is his lack of charisma and personality.

Ask yourself the question who is this guy, what does he do for fun. Is he married, what do we know about him other than he is robotic and militant in his approach to coaching.

The now generation will never respond to that. They need someone they can respect and relate to.

I doubt many of our players either respect or relate to this guy.

There in lies the problem.

Baloney. Just because he's private doesn't mean he isn't respectable or has no personality.

Wayne Bennett is drier than the Sahara and publicly cantankerous, but doesn't seem to impact his ability to be liked by his players. Brad Fittler seems quite popular, not a really good club coach though. Some other coaches VERY well liked, not good coaches either.

 

[BAGNF05]

Does Pascoe get a bonus that kicks in at EOFY? Sheens arrives July... just sayin.

 

[TigerWest]

I repeat, have we all forgotten why he was punted?

I do think he would be good in pathways spotting talent, but he is 70 and has been out of the game here for far to long, to be telling Hartigan and Madge how to suck eggs?

This is coming from a 74 yo, and let me tell you there is nothing wrong with being 70+, as 70+ is what 50ish was a few years ago.
With the improvements in Viagra :blush: and psychiatric care I reckon I'll still be rockin n' boppin :man_dancing: :upside_down_face: till I'm 80+.

I am younger than the mountains but older than the trees? I don’t take viagra, but I hope you keep boppin for many years to come.

Just don’t become a FG NRL coach now, enjoy your older years, you deserve it.

Thanks :+1: @TigerWest.
You sound like a philosopher :thinking_face: or somethin just as good.
No, I dont take Viagra either...just jokin.
Just jokin about the psychiatrist as well.
All I need is a zimmer frame :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

Not a philosopher, just a plagiarist of one of John Denver’s songs?

Rocky Mountain High?

Yep, a real goodun:joy: :joy: :joy:

 

[gallagher]

One of the issues that we don’t often discuss is the limited experience of the playing roster when compared to other teams.
We have a young squad and with it comes a host of challenges.

 https://imageresizer.static9.net.au/QAHBwzixQSupYgCbCpb2yiYq-YQ=/1440x0/https%3A%2F%2Fprod.static9.net.au%2Ffs%2Fdfde0152-c2d9-4399-8f6e-16882b0cbb45

But penrith have the third lowest?

 

[hobbo1]

One of the issues that we don’t often discuss is the limited experience of the playing roster when compared to other teams.
We have a young squad and with it comes a host of challenges.

 https://imageresizer.static9.net.au/QAHBwzixQSupYgCbCpb2yiYq-YQ=/1440x0/https%3A%2F%2Fprod.static9.net.au%2Ffs%2Fdfde0152-c2d9-4399-8f6e-16882b0cbb45

But penrith have the third lowest?

Didn’t they all come up through the grades together?
Not a rag tag bunch of unwanted players like what we’ve got .

 

[gallagher]

One of the issues that we don’t often discuss is the limited experience of the playing roster when compared to other teams.
We have a young squad and with it comes a host of challenges.

 https://imageresizer.static9.net.au/QAHBwzixQSupYgCbCpb2yiYq-YQ=/1440x0/https%3A%2F%2Fprod.static9.net.au%2Ffs%2Fdfde0152-c2d9-4399-8f6e-16882b0cbb45

But penrith have the third lowest?

Didn’t they all come up through the grades together?
Not a tag tag bunch of unwanted players like what we’ve got .

Yes. Its our quality thats poor, not our age.

 

[tigerbalm]

I would love to see Sheens over see the appointment of Robbie Farah as head coach.

The combination of the two would work imo. Farah having never been concerned about being popular and making friends would put an end to guys like Moses who have never been dropped. He would make the tough calls in a heart beat and his heart beats for this club.

Sheens over the top of him would be the perfect mentor and cover the areas he may be lacking like recruitment.

2023 should be the target but id be happy if i woke up tomorrow and this had happened.

Anyone else loving that in 2021 we are discussing Sheens and Sheenius level appointments like RF being head coach with Sheens overlooking. Something reassuring about this lunacy.

 

[hobbo1]

One of the issues that we don’t often discuss is the limited experience of the playing roster when compared to other teams.
We have a young squad and with it comes a host of challenges.

 https://imageresizer.static9.net.au/QAHBwzixQSupYgCbCpb2yiYq-YQ=/1440x0/https%3A%2F%2Fprod.static9.net.au%2Ffs%2Fdfde0152-c2d9-4399-8f6e-16882b0cbb45

But penrith have the third lowest?

Didn’t they all come up through the grades together?
Not a tag tag bunch of unwanted players like what we’ve got .

Yes. Its our quality thats poor, not our age.

Nofo thanks Jesus every time he uses tap n’ go ?

 

[TigerWest]

The real issue with Maguire that no one seems to mention is his lack of charisma and personality.

Ask yourself the question who is this guy, what does he do for fun. Is he married, what do we know about him other than he is robotic and militant in his approach to coaching.

The now generation will never respond to that. They need someone they can respect and relate to.

I doubt many of our players either respect or relate to this guy.

There in lies the problem.

I doubt many of the players had ever heard of Sheens?

 

[Crucible]

Just when you think the comments on here cant get any dumber, someone with the IQ of a house plant (my apologies to the House Plant Family), suggests Robbie Farah as Coach. Really?

 

[avocadoontoast]

I think his structures do not work in the modern game and he is unable to adapt.

I've read this type of comment a few times. And this is not a criticism of your post - what are his structures, what exactly are you talking about? Have there not been changes made, different approaches?

Because the issue I have is Madge's results are not any better or worse than anyone in a decade. He's getting the same non-results as everyone else, except it's more dire this time around because fans are only ever more tired of the failures.

Ivan Cleary had our team, didn't get them to the finals across the best part of 2 seasons. He moves to Penrith and after one dodgy season they are Top 2. So why is it Cleary could get Panthers to the top but not Tigers. Is it the coach? I don't know if people realise that Cleary coached Tigers 43 times, Madge 59 times - not so far apart in tenure. But people didn't want to sack Cleary?

I'm referring to his attacking strategy essentially being 5 hit ups then a bomb. There is no real shape in attack. We look disorganised, slow and constipated.

My main concern with Madge is the deterioration we've seen in defence since he arrived. This is particularly concerning as he's a defensive minded coach.

In defence:

2019 20ppg
2020 25ppg
2021 29ppg (after 15 rounds)

My question is why has there been no improvement in any facet of our game? We're getting worse.

As for Cleary, he was here for 1 full season, finished 9th, had a significantly poorer roster.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The real issue with Maguire that no one seems to mention is his lack of charisma and personality.

Ask yourself the question who is this guy, what does he do for fun. Is he married, what do we know about him other than he is robotic and militant in his approach to coaching.

The now generation will never respond to that. They need someone they can respect and relate to.

I doubt many of our players either respect or relate to this guy.

There in lies the problem.

I doubt many of the players had ever heard of Sheens?

Most of the players have never heard of a coach who's won 4 premierships?

 

[TigerWest]

The real issue with Maguire that no one seems to mention is his lack of charisma and personality.

Ask yourself the question who is this guy, what does he do for fun. Is he married, what do we know about him other than he is robotic and militant in his approach to coaching.

The now generation will never respond to that. They need someone they can respect and relate to.

I doubt many of our players either respect or relate to this guy.

There in lies the problem.

I doubt many of the players had ever heard of Sheens?

Most of the players have never heard of a coach who's won 4 premierships?

Yes, most would have been in nappies when we won?