Sheens replacing Madge

[cochise]

I've seen a few people mention this in other threads. That we should sack Madge and replace him for the year with Sheens as Tim is coming on board in an advisor role
**Surely this would have to be the ultimate humiliation for the club and board.** Going back to the guy we blamed for missing the 8 in 2012, were so desperate to remove, it ended up in court as we couldn't afford to pay him out. Yet here we are now employing him in advisor role, we need him to turn the club around?
If Sheens ended up in the head job, like some are suggesting it would be confirmation the last 10 years was the biggest waste of time.

There is literally no one left within the organisation that was here when Sheens was.

Farah

Doesn’t Rowdy do work for the club?

Yeah, I'm not sure. I would love him to be involved somewhere.

 

[tigerbalm]

I've seen a few people mention this in other threads. That we should sack Madge and replace him for the year with Sheens as Tim is coming on board in an advisor role
**Surely this would have to be the ultimate humiliation for the club and board.** Going back to the guy we blamed for missing the 8 in 2012, were so desperate to remove, it ended up in court as we couldn't afford to pay him out. Yet here we are now employing him in advisor role, we need him to turn the club around?
If Sheens ended up in the head job, like some are suggesting it would be confirmation the last 10 years was the biggest waste of time.

There is literally no one left within the organisation that was here when Sheens was.

Skando?

Dwyer?

I'm forgetting someone else.


Farah

is Pat Richards still around?

Pat, that's who I was thinking of. Blasphemy on my side.

 

[gallagher]

A few on the board possibly aswell.

 

[BAGNF05]

I've seen a few people mention this in other threads. That we should sack Madge and replace him for the year with Sheens as Tim is coming on board in an advisor role
**Surely this would have to be the ultimate humiliation for the club and board.** Going back to the guy we blamed for missing the 8 in 2012, were so desperate to remove, it ended up in court as we couldn't afford to pay him out. Yet here we are now employing him in advisor role, we need him to turn the club around?
If Sheens ended up in the head job, like some are suggesting it would be confirmation the last 10 years was the biggest waste of time.

There is literally no one left within the organisation that was here when Sheens was.

Farah

Doesn’t Rowdy do work for the club?

Yeah, I'm not sure. I would love him to be involved somewhere.

Right edge would be a good place.

 

[BZN]

I repeat, have we all forgotten why he was punted?

I do think he would be good in pathways spotting talent, but he is 70 and has been out of the game here for far to long, to be telling Hartigan and Madge how to suck eggs?

This is coming from a 74 yo, and let me tell you there is nothing wrong with being 70+, as 70+ is what 50ish was a few years ago.
With the improvements in Viagra :blush: and psychiatric care I reckon I'll still be rockin n' boppin :man_dancing: :upside_down_face: till I'm 80+.

I am younger than the mountains but older than the trees? I don’t take viagra, but I hope you keep boppin for many years to come.

Just don’t become a FG NRL coach now, enjoy your older years, you deserve it.

Thanks :+1: @TigerWest.
You sound like a philosopher :thinking_face: or somethin just as good.
No, I dont take Viagra either...just jokin.
Just jokin about the psychiatrist as well.
All I need is a zimmer frame :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

 

[TigerWest]

I repeat, have we all forgotten why he was punted?

I do think he would be good in pathways spotting talent, but he is 70 and has been out of the game here for far to long, to be telling Hartigan and Madge how to suck eggs?

This is coming from a 74 yo, and let me tell you there is nothing wrong with being 70+, as 70+ is what 50ish was a few years ago.
With the improvements in Viagra :blush: and psychiatric care I reckon I'll still be rockin n' boppin :man_dancing: :upside_down_face: till I'm 80+.

I am younger than the mountains but older than the trees? I don’t take viagra, but I hope you keep boppin for many years to come.

Just don’t become a FG NRL coach now, enjoy your older years, you deserve it.

Thanks :+1: @TigerWest.
You sound like a philosopher :thinking_face: or somethin just as good.
No, I dont take Viagra either...just jokin.
Just jokin about the psychiatrist as well.
All I need is a zimmer frame :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

Not a philosopher, just a plagiarist of one of John Denver’s songs?

 

[Guest]

‘Miracle worker required’: Sheens’ new job just got a lot tougher at Tigers
By Adam Pengilly
June 21, 2021 — 4.45am

Tim Sheens is expected to get his hands dirty in the Tigers’ football department as soon as he steps foot out of quarantine next month, with the club unequivocally throwing their support behind coach Michael Maguire.

On the back of their humiliating 66-16 defeat at the hands of a rampant Storm, Sheens’ appointment has turned from feelgood factor to one the club desperately needs.

The Tigers are staring down the barrel of a 10th straight season without making the finals, and were so awful on Saturday night Melbourne led 60-0 after just 51 minutes on the Sunshine Coast.

Somehow, the 50-point margin actually flattered them as they ran in two tries while Nelson Asofa-Solomona was in the sin-bin. So disgusted was he, Maguire walked out on his team at half-time.

What Sheens made of it from the other side of the world might not be able to be posted on a family website. He’s the joint venture’s only premiership-winning coach in 2005, and the Tigers’ distant past has never looked so good.

When his appointment was announced earlier this month, it included areas from “supporting pathway development and planning” to “ensuring sustainability in all aspects of the organisation”. Club culture was thrown in there and recruitment too.

But let’s cut to the chase: his first job will be to get into the club’s football program and find players who can help turn the club around.

How he and Michael Maguire, a strong personality with his own principles, combine will be compelling viewing.

Maguire is not going anywhere anytime soon. The Tigers have set their clocks to coaching changes every two to three years since Sheens left in 2012 - Mick Potter, Jason Taylor, Ivan Cleary have all come and gone. The board is reticent to go down the same path with Maguire, who has a new two-year contract which is due to begin in 2022. They are backing him to succeed.

But how much longer can they accept performances like the one on the Sunshine Coast, the Anzac Day humbling at the hands of the Sea Eagles, the insipid performances on occasions to remember Tommy Raudonikis against the Cowboys and Titans?

“We were taught a lesson [on Saturday] night by a team that has been the benchmark for the best part of 10 years and continue to be,” Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe told the Herald and The Age “It’s only a valuable lesson if we actually learn from it.

“The whole club is hurting, the players, staff, coaching staff. There’s certainly no panic, but we’re hurting.”

Even allowing for the blowouts this season, conceding more than 60 points in one game is a debacle.

Captain James Tamou said there were “underlying issues” after the Storm defeat, hinting even he couldn’t work out why they can match it with top teams in patches and crumble at will on other occasions. Only the Broncos have conceded more points this season.

“That’s the frustration,” Pascoe said of the inconsistency. “Our core product is rugby league and our core focus is winning rugby league games. That’s not happening and we’re not accepting that as a standard. It’s really difficult to explain such a result given the continuation and improvement behind the scenes.

“Our training has been outstanding and the roster is the best we’ve had for some time. Our staff and personnel and support around the football club means we’re now far better equipped financially.”

The Tigers have been circling out-of-favour Brisbane behemoth Tevita Pangai jnr, but there is competition for his signature. There’s been constant links to the Titans and Roosters, which have just lost their inspirational captain and second-rower Boyd Cordner. Would they even want to take the risk on him?

You get the feeling if it doesn’t come down to dollars and just sense, Pangai jnr will only end up at one club. That’s just the Tigers’ lot at the moment. No matter how hard they try, they haven’t been able to land a circuit-breaking signature which can turn around their on-field fortunes.

A man who watched the Sunshine Coast slaughter up close, Melbourne lock Dale Finucane, would be perfect for a team which doesn’t know how to turn up, let alone win, consistently. The Tigers have the chequebook to get him. But the initial indication is Finucane’s management claim he is looking elsewhere.

Which is where Sheens will be expected to make a change.

“His gravitas in the game is second to none,” Pascoe said. “His experience, knowledge and the fact he’s been in winning environments all helps. Him coming in and identifying talent, helping with that whole pathways and development program … you can see how valuable he’ll be.”

Sheens may have worked some miracles in his times, but this one could top the lot.

 

[BZN]

I repeat, have we all forgotten why he was punted?

I do think he would be good in pathways spotting talent, but he is 70 and has been out of the game here for far to long, to be telling Hartigan and Madge how to suck eggs?

This is coming from a 74 yo, and let me tell you there is nothing wrong with being 70+, as 70+ is what 50ish was a few years ago.
With the improvements in Viagra :blush: and psychiatric care I reckon I'll still be rockin n' boppin :man_dancing: :upside_down_face: till I'm 80+.

I am younger than the mountains but older than the trees? I don’t take viagra, but I hope you keep boppin for many years to come.

Just don’t become a FG NRL coach now, enjoy your older years, you deserve it.

Thanks :+1: @TigerWest.
You sound like a philosopher :thinking_face: or somethin just as good.
No, I dont take Viagra either...just jokin.
Just jokin about the psychiatrist as well.
All I need is a zimmer frame :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

Not a philosopher, just a plagiarist of one of John Denver’s songs?

Rocky Mountain High?

 

[TheDaBoss]

Next month cant come quick enough lol

 

[Blocker1963]

Having some new faces as assistants that are younger and understand the modern game would be a benefit to the coaching structure. Most Teams go this way and are successful, look at the Storm and Penrith. Something needs to change and soon, most supporters were hoping that Madge had the answers, but some of his recruitment has failed, the deadwood from Ivan is still there, but it is mainly his roster now, so no real excuses.

 

[balmain boy]

There's a 0% chance of this happening.

Sheens may ultimately recommend a new head coach if Madge isn't getting through.

 

[Tim Sheens]

There's a 0% chance of this happening.

Sheens may ultimately recommend a new head coach if Madge isn't getting through.

I wouldn't rule out Sheens taking up a caretaker role until the end of the season and particularly so if the club truly believes Pascoe's opinion quoted above of WT currently having their best squad in some time.

 

[Demps]

There's a 0% chance of this happening.

Sheens may ultimately recommend a new head coach if Madge isn't getting through.

Do you reckon Timmy should push for one of his boys, such as John Morris or contract break Toddy Payten?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

There's a 0% chance of this happening.

Sheens may ultimately recommend a new head coach if Madge isn't getting through.

You're being very polite BB with your commenting about getting through.

 

[Telltails]

Is Justin Holbrook and Adam O Brien, Ricky Stuart, getting through to their squads - pick a week? Where is the consistency in any of the bottom half of the competition some with squads considered better than ours? Who are our best players compared to other teams? Who did Ivan Cleary - now successful coach attract and retain to the club that has made a difference or is worth keeping.
Penrith is the blueprint to making this club a success - respectfully not John Morris.

 

[jirskyr]

I think his structures do not work in the modern game and he is unable to adapt.

I've read this type of comment a few times. And this is not a criticism of your post - what are his structures, what exactly are you talking about? Have there not been changes made, different approaches?

Because the issue I have is Madge's results are not any better or worse than anyone in a decade. He's getting the same non-results as everyone else, except it's more dire this time around because fans are only ever more tired of the failures.

Ivan Cleary had our team, didn't get them to the finals across the best part of 2 seasons. He moves to Penrith and after one dodgy season they are Top 2. So why is it Cleary could get Panthers to the top but not Tigers. Is it the coach? I don't know if people realise that Cleary coached Tigers 43 times, Madge 59 times - not so far apart in tenure. But people didn't want to sack Cleary?

 

[twentyforty]

One of the issues that we don’t often discuss is the limited experience of the playing roster when compared to other teams.
We have a young squad and with it comes a host of challenges.

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[hobbo1]

I think his structures do not work in the modern game and he is unable to adapt.

I've read this type of comment a few times. And this is not a criticism of your post - what are his structures, what exactly are you talking about? Have there not been changes made, different approaches?

Because the issue I have is Madge's results are not any better or worse than anyone in a decade. He's getting the same non-results as everyone else, except it's more dire this time around because fans are only ever more tired of the failures.

Ivan Cleary had our team, didn't get them to the finals across the best part of 2 seasons. He moves to Penrith and after one dodgy season they are Top 2. So why is it Cleary could get Panthers to the top but not Tigers. Is it the coach? I don't know if people realise that Cleary coached Tigers 43 times, Madge 59 times - not so far apart in tenure. But people didn't want to sack Cleary?

Everyone was hoping that Roger Ramjet would join us that’s why .

 

[Tiger5150]

One of the issues that we don’t often discuss is the limited experience of the playing roster when compared to other teams.
We have a young squad and with it comes a host of challenges.

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Great point. Reminds me of Frank Stantons baby Tigers at Balmain, which Warren Ryan reaped the benefits of.

Also looking at the graph, expect years of dominance from Penriff & Manly

 

[The_Patriot]

I would love to see Sheens over see the appointment of Robbie Farah as head coach.

The combination of the two would work imo. Farah having never been concerned about being popular and making friends would put an end to guys like Moses who have never been dropped. He would make the tough calls in a heart beat and his heart beats for this club.

Sheens over the top of him would be the perfect mentor and cover the areas he may be lacking like recruitment.

2023 should be the target but id be happy if i woke up tomorrow and this had happened.