Sheens

[avocadoontoast]

**EXCLUSIVE: Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah hoses down fears of Michael Maguire -Tim Sheens partnership not working out**
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/2022-wests-tigers-tim-sheens-appointment-michael-maguire-robbie-farah-exclusive/ca98a6e8-ea21-4ee4-ac5b-5e921d4c8cc8

Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah has shot down fears of coach Michael Maguire feeling at unease over greater responsibility being handed to Tim Sheens at the embattled club.

The man who led a youthful Tigers outfit to the 2005 NRL premiership returned to the club in June as head of football performance, before taking on the role of director of coaching in September amid the club's tumultuous internal review.

The appointment led Michael Chammas of The Sydney Morning Herald to ask rugby league guru Phil Gould how Maguire would feel about it.

"How do you take it as coach... if they are bringing in someone over the top of you, Gus?" Chammas said on Nine's 100% Footy in September.

"How would Michael Maguire... take Tim Sheens' appointment?"

The two-man partnership between Sheens and Maguire, the man who steered the Rabbitohs to the 2014 NRL title, is a hot talking point heading into the 2022 season.

But as the Tigers filter back to the club for pre-season training, intent on ending a 10-year finals exile, Farah has hosed down talk of Maguire being uncomfortable with Sheens' appointment in an interview with Wide World of Sports.

"I don't think that's the case at all, to be honest," said Farah, who's now a Tigers trainer.
"When you can bring in someone of Sheensy's quality you would be mad not to.

"He can oversee the whole football program. He's not only there to oversee what's happening with the NRL squad; it's about laying the foundations in our junior pathways, our grassroots, making sure we're a strong club from the bottom up.

"That's what it's about, that's what brings us sustained success. It's not about making the semi-finals for one season and then dropping out the year after; it's about making sure that we're a competitive club year on end.

"That's because you lay the foundations and that starts from the bottom up and that's what Sheensy's role is.
"I think it's a great appointment, I know Madge thinks it's a great appointment.

"They've been great," Farah said.
"I know Madge is really keen to work with Tim.


Paws must be beside himself with this news?

I can't wait for Maguire to get his instructions from Sheens. I hope it is words to the effect

"Michael, that crap you've been serving up for three years, five hit ups and a bomb is never to be played again at WTs. We have the players, we play football, throw it around. Oh, Michael, have Nathan implement a cohesive and effective defensive plan".

You know deep down, that is not what is going to happen, but keep dreaming.?

It is though. Sheens runs everything now. He tells Madge to jump and Madge will ask how high.

Keep believing, you know it’s a dream.

TW we could go back and forth on this all day. Just look at the org chart. Madge below Sheens.

Yes he is, but so, Pascoe is above Sheens, that doesn’t mean he will manage the footy? It’s why he got Sheens in the first place, do you really believe he will take over coaching the team? There is a lot of other things to get organised (like getting some players) to do, before he needs to worry about the coach.

Don't you think Sheens has a brand of football he would like all teams at WTs, Wests and Balmain reps to play? I believe this is where Sheens can add value. He tells your demi-god that he is to implement this Brand in the NRL team. The other coaches of KOE, U20s, SG Ball and HM would receive the same instructions.

Hmmm, we all know @pawsandclaws1 you're so heavily invested, credibilty wise, for the Sheens coaching coordination role to go well. But, in my humble opinion, your comments have drifted from fantasy to delusion to paranoia.

Do you genuinely think that a relic of the past like Sheens will be "dictating" contemporary coaching strategies to Maguire and others? Do you really?

It's blissful delusion.

The consistent issue about you TT is that you always target the man.

Well, it might be an "issue" for you @pawsandclaws1, but I am only offering a different perspective on what you so regularly offer on here. Isn't that what a forum is about?

It’s an issue for most people. You’ve never had an original thought as to what should he done, you just target posters with drivel.

Hmm....well.... the usual suspects are out in force. Playing the victim card to counter those who are reasoned enough to call out the absolutism of others' "opinions" on here.

But, I'll keep at it.

You don’t have an opinion.

Actually, that's all I've got, is an opinion. Just like you, and others.

I just don't try to present my opinions as "fact" or as coming from some greater knowledge about topics than others on here.

Great then argue the point. If you disagree tell me why rather than having a dig at me. As an example, me and @TigerWest have had a million arguments about Madge but they’ve never been personal.

Look, this is, no doubt, boring for the rest of the people viewing this stuff. I think most would recoginse that I am questioning "opinions" that are offered as "fact".

Such as your mate, @pawsandclaws1 suggesting the existence a hierarchical structure that has Maguire "answerable" to Sheens and Sheens directly issuing edicts to Maguire about how the NRL squad will be coached. I "think" that's BS that needs to be called out for what it is.

What do you think his role will be?

I think his role will be to ensure all WT coaches have necessary resources, clear communication lines with each other and senior club management, to offer his perspectives on recruitment, retention, strategy and future planning, embedding the CoE as part of a, hopefully, more successful WT structure, represent the "football" department in executive leadership and management discussions, remind Chairman Mouth and Pascoe about effective promotion and representation of the club in the media and in corporate circles ..... to name a few of his KPIs, in my opinion.

But, nowhere does my job description for him include having a direct supervisory role role that requires Maguire and Gardiner and Cayless (et al) to run any selection or game specific tactical decisions by him.

And, if the coaching staff are smart enough (and i think they are), they will seek his input in their decision making in a collegial, mutually respectful and professional manner. That's exactly how Lee H explained the role that Sheens would fulfil. Collegial, supportive and coherent in bringing all aspects of the WT together from a football department perspective.

That others on here are salivating on the prospect of Sheens taking control of the coaching of the NRL squad and isolating and diminsihing the role of Maguire, speaks more about their prejudices than my thinking of Sheens' role at and value to the club. I'll say it again; it's sweet delusion.

You can frame it anyway you like Tiger Tragic, but as has been previously posted, Tim Sheens is the big Kahuna. As to his involvement in the NRL team, as the big Kahuna he will decide his level of involvement.

Can’t believe people still think Madge is in control.

Well then, I can't believe that you and Paws are going to blame Madge IF they don't make the 8.

Obviously it is all on Sheens.

I'm not expecting them to make the 8. It's going to take more than a season to undo the mess of the past three years.

Making excuses for Sheens already.

You've been making excuses for Madge for 3 years.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

**EXCLUSIVE: Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah hoses down fears of Michael Maguire -Tim Sheens partnership not working out**
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/2022-wests-tigers-tim-sheens-appointment-michael-maguire-robbie-farah-exclusive/ca98a6e8-ea21-4ee4-ac5b-5e921d4c8cc8

Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah has shot down fears of coach Michael Maguire feeling at unease over greater responsibility being handed to Tim Sheens at the embattled club.

The man who led a youthful Tigers outfit to the 2005 NRL premiership returned to the club in June as head of football performance, before taking on the role of director of coaching in September amid the club's tumultuous internal review.

The appointment led Michael Chammas of The Sydney Morning Herald to ask rugby league guru Phil Gould how Maguire would feel about it.

"How do you take it as coach... if they are bringing in someone over the top of you, Gus?" Chammas said on Nine's 100% Footy in September.

"How would Michael Maguire... take Tim Sheens' appointment?"

The two-man partnership between Sheens and Maguire, the man who steered the Rabbitohs to the 2014 NRL title, is a hot talking point heading into the 2022 season.

But as the Tigers filter back to the club for pre-season training, intent on ending a 10-year finals exile, Farah has hosed down talk of Maguire being uncomfortable with Sheens' appointment in an interview with Wide World of Sports.

"I don't think that's the case at all, to be honest," said Farah, who's now a Tigers trainer.
"When you can bring in someone of Sheensy's quality you would be mad not to.

"He can oversee the whole football program. He's not only there to oversee what's happening with the NRL squad; it's about laying the foundations in our junior pathways, our grassroots, making sure we're a strong club from the bottom up.

"That's what it's about, that's what brings us sustained success. It's not about making the semi-finals for one season and then dropping out the year after; it's about making sure that we're a competitive club year on end.

"That's because you lay the foundations and that starts from the bottom up and that's what Sheensy's role is.
"I think it's a great appointment, I know Madge thinks it's a great appointment.

"They've been great," Farah said.
"I know Madge is really keen to work with Tim.


Paws must be beside himself with this news?

I can't wait for Maguire to get his instructions from Sheens. I hope it is words to the effect

"Michael, that crap you've been serving up for three years, five hit ups and a bomb is never to be played again at WTs. We have the players, we play football, throw it around. Oh, Michael, have Nathan implement a cohesive and effective defensive plan".

You know deep down, that is not what is going to happen, but keep dreaming.?

It is though. Sheens runs everything now. He tells Madge to jump and Madge will ask how high.

Keep believing, you know it’s a dream.

TW we could go back and forth on this all day. Just look at the org chart. Madge below Sheens.

Yes he is, but so, Pascoe is above Sheens, that doesn’t mean he will manage the footy? It’s why he got Sheens in the first place, do you really believe he will take over coaching the team? There is a lot of other things to get organised (like getting some players) to do, before he needs to worry about the coach.

Don't you think Sheens has a brand of football he would like all teams at WTs, Wests and Balmain reps to play? I believe this is where Sheens can add value. He tells your demi-god that he is to implement this Brand in the NRL team. The other coaches of KOE, U20s, SG Ball and HM would receive the same instructions.

Hmmm, we all know @pawsandclaws1 you're so heavily invested, credibilty wise, for the Sheens coaching coordination role to go well. But, in my humble opinion, your comments have drifted from fantasy to delusion to paranoia.

Do you genuinely think that a relic of the past like Sheens will be "dictating" contemporary coaching strategies to Maguire and others? Do you really?

It's blissful delusion.

The consistent issue about you TT is that you always target the man.

Well, it might be an "issue" for you @pawsandclaws1, but I am only offering a different perspective on what you so regularly offer on here. Isn't that what a forum is about?

It’s an issue for most people. You’ve never had an original thought as to what should he done, you just target posters with drivel.

Hmm....well.... the usual suspects are out in force. Playing the victim card to counter those who are reasoned enough to call out the absolutism of others' "opinions" on here.

But, I'll keep at it.

You don’t have an opinion.

Actually, that's all I've got, is an opinion. Just like you, and others.

I just don't try to present my opinions as "fact" or as coming from some greater knowledge about topics than others on here.

Great then argue the point. If you disagree tell me why rather than having a dig at me. As an example, me and @TigerWest have had a million arguments about Madge but they’ve never been personal.

Look, this is, no doubt, boring for the rest of the people viewing this stuff. I think most would recoginse that I am questioning "opinions" that are offered as "fact".

Such as your mate, @pawsandclaws1 suggesting the existence a hierarchical structure that has Maguire "answerable" to Sheens and Sheens directly issuing edicts to Maguire about how the NRL squad will be coached. I "think" that's BS that needs to be called out for what it is.

What do you think his role will be?

I think his role will be to ensure all WT coaches have necessary resources, clear communication lines with each other and senior club management, to offer his perspectives on recruitment, retention, strategy and future planning, embedding the CoE as part of a, hopefully, more successful WT structure, represent the "football" department in executive leadership and management discussions, remind Chairman Mouth and Pascoe about effective promotion and representation of the club in the media and in corporate circles ..... to name a few of his KPIs, in my opinion.

But, nowhere does my job description for him include having a direct supervisory role role that requires Maguire and Gardiner and Cayless (et al) to run any selection or game specific tactical decisions by him.

And, if the coaching staff are smart enough (and i think they are), they will seek his input in their decision making in a collegial, mutually respectful and professional manner. That's exactly how Lee H explained the role that Sheens would fulfil. Collegial, supportive and coherent in bringing all aspects of the WT together from a football department perspective.

That others on here are salivating on the prospect of Sheens taking control of the coaching of the NRL squad and isolating and diminsihing the role of Maguire, speaks more about their prejudices than my thinking of Sheens' role at and value to the club. I'll say it again; it's sweet delusion.

You can frame it anyway you like Tiger Tragic, but as has been previously posted, Tim Sheens is the big Kahuna. As to his involvement in the NRL team, as the big Kahuna he will decide his level of involvement.

Can’t believe people still think Madge is in control.

Well then, I can't believe that you and Paws are going to blame Madge IF they don't make the 8.

Obviously it is all on Sheens.

My expectations of this year were for the team to improve, not necessarily win games. Were my expectations unrealistic? I don't believe that to be the case. We had the opposite occur Blame-shift all you want, but the buck stops with Maguire for the debacle over the last three years.

 

[TheDaBoss]

We will know plenty about the Madge/Sheens relationship come round one team selections.
There will either be a winger on the bench or there won’t.

Would u complain tho if Scolari was on bench and came on for mr spook himself on the wing 😅

 

[BAGNF05]

**EXCLUSIVE: Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah hoses down fears of Michael Maguire -Tim Sheens partnership not working out**
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/2022-wests-tigers-tim-sheens-appointment-michael-maguire-robbie-farah-exclusive/ca98a6e8-ea21-4ee4-ac5b-5e921d4c8cc8

Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah has shot down fears of coach Michael Maguire feeling at unease over greater responsibility being handed to Tim Sheens at the embattled club.

The man who led a youthful Tigers outfit to the 2005 NRL premiership returned to the club in June as head of football performance, before taking on the role of director of coaching in September amid the club's tumultuous internal review.

The appointment led Michael Chammas of The Sydney Morning Herald to ask rugby league guru Phil Gould how Maguire would feel about it.

"How do you take it as coach... if they are bringing in someone over the top of you, Gus?" Chammas said on Nine's 100% Footy in September.

"How would Michael Maguire... take Tim Sheens' appointment?"

The two-man partnership between Sheens and Maguire, the man who steered the Rabbitohs to the 2014 NRL title, is a hot talking point heading into the 2022 season.

But as the Tigers filter back to the club for pre-season training, intent on ending a 10-year finals exile, Farah has hosed down talk of Maguire being uncomfortable with Sheens' appointment in an interview with Wide World of Sports.

"I don't think that's the case at all, to be honest," said Farah, who's now a Tigers trainer.
"When you can bring in someone of Sheensy's quality you would be mad not to.

"He can oversee the whole football program. He's not only there to oversee what's happening with the NRL squad; it's about laying the foundations in our junior pathways, our grassroots, making sure we're a strong club from the bottom up.

"That's what it's about, that's what brings us sustained success. It's not about making the semi-finals for one season and then dropping out the year after; it's about making sure that we're a competitive club year on end.

"That's because you lay the foundations and that starts from the bottom up and that's what Sheensy's role is.
"I think it's a great appointment, I know Madge thinks it's a great appointment.

"They've been great," Farah said.
"I know Madge is really keen to work with Tim.


Paws must be beside himself with this news?

I can't wait for Maguire to get his instructions from Sheens. I hope it is words to the effect

"Michael, that crap you've been serving up for three years, five hit ups and a bomb is never to be played again at WTs. We have the players, we play football, throw it around. Oh, Michael, have Nathan implement a cohesive and effective defensive plan".

You know deep down, that is not what is going to happen, but keep dreaming.?

It is though. Sheens runs everything now. He tells Madge to jump and Madge will ask how high.

Keep believing, you know it’s a dream.

TW we could go back and forth on this all day. Just look at the org chart. Madge below Sheens.

Yes he is, but so, Pascoe is above Sheens, that doesn’t mean he will manage the footy? It’s why he got Sheens in the first place, do you really believe he will take over coaching the team? There is a lot of other things to get organised (like getting some players) to do, before he needs to worry about the coach.

Don't you think Sheens has a brand of football he would like all teams at WTs, Wests and Balmain reps to play? I believe this is where Sheens can add value. He tells your demi-god that he is to implement this Brand in the NRL team. The other coaches of KOE, U20s, SG Ball and HM would receive the same instructions.

Hmmm, we all know @pawsandclaws1 you're so heavily invested, credibilty wise, for the Sheens coaching coordination role to go well. But, in my humble opinion, your comments have drifted from fantasy to delusion to paranoia.

Do you genuinely think that a relic of the past like Sheens will be "dictating" contemporary coaching strategies to Maguire and others? Do you really?

It's blissful delusion.

The consistent issue about you TT is that you always target the man.

Well, it might be an "issue" for you @pawsandclaws1, but I am only offering a different perspective on what you so regularly offer on here. Isn't that what a forum is about?

It’s an issue for most people. You’ve never had an original thought as to what should he done, you just target posters with drivel.

Hmm....well.... the usual suspects are out in force. Playing the victim card to counter those who are reasoned enough to call out the absolutism of others' "opinions" on here.

But, I'll keep at it.

You don’t have an opinion.

Actually, that's all I've got, is an opinion. Just like you, and others.

I just don't try to present my opinions as "fact" or as coming from some greater knowledge about topics than others on here.

Great then argue the point. If you disagree tell me why rather than having a dig at me. As an example, me and @TigerWest have had a million arguments about Madge but they’ve never been personal.

Look, this is, no doubt, boring for the rest of the people viewing this stuff. I think most would recoginse that I am questioning "opinions" that are offered as "fact".

Such as your mate, @pawsandclaws1 suggesting the existence a hierarchical structure that has Maguire "answerable" to Sheens and Sheens directly issuing edicts to Maguire about how the NRL squad will be coached. I "think" that's BS that needs to be called out for what it is.

What do you think his role will be?

I think his role will be to ensure all WT coaches have necessary resources, clear communication lines with each other and senior club management, to offer his perspectives on recruitment, retention, strategy and future planning, embedding the CoE as part of a, hopefully, more successful WT structure, represent the "football" department in executive leadership and management discussions, remind Chairman Mouth and Pascoe about effective promotion and representation of the club in the media and in corporate circles ..... to name a few of his KPIs, in my opinion.

But, nowhere does my job description for him include having a direct supervisory role role that requires Maguire and Gardiner and Cayless (et al) to run any selection or game specific tactical decisions by him.

And, if the coaching staff are smart enough (and i think they are), they will seek his input in their decision making in a collegial, mutually respectful and professional manner. That's exactly how Lee H explained the role that Sheens would fulfil. Collegial, supportive and coherent in bringing all aspects of the WT together from a football department perspective.

That others on here are salivating on the prospect of Sheens taking control of the coaching of the NRL squad and isolating and diminsihing the role of Maguire, speaks more about their prejudices than my thinking of Sheens' role at and value to the club. I'll say it again; it's sweet delusion.

You can frame it anyway you like Tiger Tragic, but as has been previously posted, Tim Sheens is the big Kahuna. As to his involvement in the NRL team, as the big Kahuna he will decide his level of involvement.

Can’t believe people still think Madge is in control.

Well then, I can't believe that you and Paws are going to blame Madge IF they don't make the 8.

Obviously it is all on Sheens.

My expectations of this year were for the team to improve, not necessarily win games. Were my expectations unrealistic? I don't believe that to be the case. We had the opposite occur Blame-shift all you want, but the buck stops with Maguire for the debacle over the last three years.

Incorrect. He inherited a pack of sissy’s lead (and I use that word loosely) by Russell Packer.

 

[happy_tiger]

This Madge Sheens set up is ridiculous and you can see exactly what will happen:

We’re winning - Sheens has turned the team around

We’re losing - Madge has to go. Terrible coach

There are no winners in this

I don't care if Martin Bryant gets us winning ...as long as we are winning ......

 

[Geo]

The short side scrum play will be back with avengence.. too bad the NRL got rid off scrums

 

[tony soprano]

This Madge Sheens set up is ridiculous and you can see exactly what will happen:

We’re winning - Sheens has turned the team around

We’re losing - Madge has to go. Terrible coach

There are no winners in this

I don't care if Martin Bryant gets us winning ...as long as we are winning ......

Ok

 

[happy_tiger]

This Madge Sheens set up is ridiculous and you can see exactly what will happen:

We’re winning - Sheens has turned the team around

We’re losing - Madge has to go. Terrible coach

There are no winners in this

I don't care if Martin Bryant gets us winning ...as long as we are winning ......

Ok

Ok

Brian Smith ...ok

 

[Tiger5150]

The short side scrum play will be back with avengence.. too bad the NRL got rid off scrums

One of the few "plays" I saw us run last year and one of the few good things that BJ ever did was set a scrum in the middle, stack one side and have BJ deep on the other side. Hitting BJ at pace against an open short defence was a great move and I dont know whe we didnt go back to that again.

 

[aturkey]

This Madge Sheens set up is ridiculous and you can see exactly what will happen:

We’re winning - Sheens has turned the team around

We’re losing - Madge has to go. Terrible coach

There are no winners in this

Imagine being upset at a future where our team has turned around. There would be multiple winners in that scenario:

1. Sheens
2. US, THE FANS

 

[GCfan]

The short side scrum play will be back with avengence.. too bad the NRL got rid off scrums

One of the few "plays" I saw us run last year and one of the few good things that BJ ever did was set a scrum in the middle, stack one side and have BJ deep on the other side. Hitting BJ at pace against an open short defence was a great move and I dont know whe we didnt go back to that again.

They tried but BJ couldn’t get there quick enough

 

[Sully]

The short side scrum play will be back with avengence.. too bad the NRL got rid off scrums

One of the few "plays" I saw us run last year and one of the few good things that BJ ever did was set a scrum in the middle, stack one side and have BJ deep on the other side. Hitting BJ at pace against an open short defence was a great move and I dont know whe we didnt go back to that again.

They did it at Campbelltown against the Titans and BJ was running towards the end that has all the fast food joints at leumeah.

No one would stop him

 

[BAGNF05]

The short side scrum play will be back with avengence.. too bad the NRL got rid off scrums

One of the few "plays" I saw us run last year and one of the few good things that BJ ever did was set a scrum in the middle, stack one side and have BJ deep on the other side. Hitting BJ at pace against an open short defence was a great move and I dont know whe we didnt go back to that again.

They did it at Campbelltown against the Titans and BJ was running towards the end that has all the fast food joints at luemeah.

No one would stop him

Good observation. The ground slopes downhill significantly at that end too, BJ refuses to run up hills, it’s madges fault though.

 

[happy_tiger]

The short side scrum play will be back with avengence.. too bad the NRL got rid off scrums

We could form a human scrum with the play the ball and then go blind

Did you know WHU beat Liverpool ....

 

[Deleted member 3518]

This Madge Sheens set up is ridiculous and you can see exactly what will happen:

We’re winning - Sheens has turned the team around

We’re losing - Madge has to go. Terrible coach

There are no winners in this

Imagine being upset at a future where our team has turned around. There would be multiple winners in that scenario:

1. Sheens
2. US, THE FANS

Well , he’s the head of football . Do you want him to magically turn also ran footy players into the Raiders of the 90s in half an off season ? .
What’s as predictable is that after 7 games, and we are 1 and 6 , there will be calls to axe sheens . Which really when you do the maths is like 5 months in the job .

I’m not pro or anti anyone , except bandwagon jumping and scapegoating. If Madge doesn’t at least break even next year , he’s gone .
And I don’t think he would be able to honestly be too upset about it . Really his whole job comes down to whether he has a higher than 50% win share .

 

[BAGNF05]

This Madge Sheens set up is ridiculous and you can see exactly what will happen:

We’re winning - Sheens has turned the team around

We’re losing - Madge has to go. Terrible coach

There are no winners in this

Imagine being upset at a future where our team has turned around. There would be multiple winners in that scenario:

1. Sheens
2. US, THE FANS

Well , he’s the head of football . Do you want him to magically turn also ran footy players into the Raiders of the 90s in half an off season ? .
What’s as predictable is that after 7 games, and we are 1 and 6 , there will be calls to axe sheens . Which really when you do the maths is like 5 months in the job .

I’m not pro or anti anyone , except bandwagon jumping and scapegoating. If Madge doesn’t at least break even next year , he’s gone .
And I don’t think he would be able to honestly be too upset about it . Really his whole job comes down to whether he has a higher than 50% win share .

I don’t care if we win 40% of games if the team is giving a whole hearted effort week to week. That’s step 1 for Sheenius and co. Now bring on a few decent signings.

 

[Glenji95]

I reckon Sheens will be a help for the club after all he’s the only coach and man to take us to finals and a premiership so I’m backing him and willing to give him a chance

 

[twentyforty]

I reckon Sheens will be a help for the club after all he’s the only coach and man to take us to finals and a premiership so I’m backing him and willing to give him a chance

He’s also the only one who has stood tall against a board that sacked the current Australian coach at the time without reason.

 

[Glenji95]

@twentyforty i reckon Sheens once he can dig his claws in so to speak some major changes will be made we’ve already got 2 new assistant coaches so hopefully there’s more soon