Should we go with a new narrative?

@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402392) said:
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@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

?
How’d you come up with those figures ?

They don't respond to his coaching. They suck but he's worse.
 
@4jtigers said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402450) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

it's the other way around mate, it's the players that drops the ball and miss tackles, not the coach

Disagree.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402453) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402392) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

?
How’d you come up with those figures ?

They don't respond to his coaching. They suck but he's worse.

He hasn’t got the roster
 
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402464) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402453) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402392) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

?
How’d you come up with those figures ?

They don't respond to his coaching. They suck but he's worse.

He hasn’t got the roster

that old chestnut
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402465) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402464) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402453) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402392) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

?
How’d you come up with those figures ?

They don't respond to his coaching. They suck but he's worse.

He hasn’t got the roster

that old chestnut

Nofo , Talau, mbye, Tamou , Maumalo
Say hi ?
 
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402471) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402465) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402464) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402453) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402392) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

?
How’d you come up with those figures ?

They don't respond to his coaching. They suck but he's worse.

He hasn’t got the roster

that old chestnut

Nofo , Talau, mbye, Tamou , Maumalo
Say hi ?

With the exception of Mbye he signed or re-signed all those blokes.
 
The only narrative for me is ONE home ground...A home ,been saying this for years this is a key part in the cultural change the club needs.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402455) said:
@4jtigers said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402450) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

it's the other way around mate, it's the players that drops the ball and miss tackles, not the coach

Disagree.

So it's the coach that drops the balls and misses the tackles?

The clubs role is to basically have the facilities to be able to let the players prepare.
The coaches role is to basically prepare the team to play.
The players role is to play.

I really can't see how some of you stop at the coach to blame, when the players are clearly not fulfilling there bit?
 
Clubs new narrative should be honesty is the best policy...see you in Bali for the first week of the finals. Said that every year and they would of been correct 18/21 times.
 
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402484) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402455) said:
@4jtigers said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402450) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

it's the other way around mate, it's the players that drops the ball and miss tackles, not the coach

Disagree.

So it's the coach that drops the balls and misses the tackles?

The clubs role is to basically have the facilities to be able to let the players prepare.
The coaches role is to basically prepare the team to play.
The players role is to play.

I really can't see how some of you stop at the coach to blame, when the players are clearly not fulfilling there bit?

Your last sentence is the issue. He cannot get the players to perform.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402475) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402471) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402465) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402464) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402453) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402392) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

?
How’d you come up with those figures ?

They don't respond to his coaching. They suck but he's worse.

He hasn’t got the roster

that old chestnut

Nofo , Talau, mbye, Tamou , Maumalo
Say hi ?

With the exception of Mbye he signed or re-signed all those blokes.

No one of any note wants to come here ..that was ingrained in our club before Madge arrived.

Who’s he sign up .. blokes from the pub ?

I don’t really rate Madge but you can’t hack crap on him and then say that our roster is better than bottom 4 which it isn’t .
 
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402498) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402475) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402471) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402465) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402464) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402453) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402392) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

?
How’d you come up with those figures ?

They don't respond to his coaching. They suck but he's worse.

He hasn’t got the roster

that old chestnut

Nofo , Talau, mbye, Tamou , Maumalo
Say hi ?

With the exception of Mbye he signed or re-signed all those blokes.

No one of any note wants to come here ..that was ingrained in our club before Madge arrived.

Who’s he sign up .. blokes from the pub ?

I don’t really rate Madge but you can’t hack crap on him and then say that our roster is better than bottom 4 which it isn’t .

I reckon it is though. I don't think our roster is too bad. He's just getting nothing out of the squad.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402495) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402484) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402455) said:
@4jtigers said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402450) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

it's the other way around mate, it's the players that drops the ball and miss tackles, not the coach

Disagree.

So it's the coach that drops the balls and misses the tackles?

The clubs role is to basically have the facilities to be able to let the players prepare.
The coaches role is to basically prepare the team to play.
The players role is to play.

I really can't see how some of you stop at the coach to blame, when the players are clearly not fulfilling there bit?

Your last sentence is the issue. He cannot get the players to perform.

It's up to the players to perform when they get on the field, the coach doesn't actually go on the field and hold there hand.
 
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402498) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402475) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402471) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402465) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402464) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402453) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402392) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

?
How’d you come up with those figures ?

They don't respond to his coaching. They suck but he's worse.

He hasn’t got the roster

that old chestnut

Nofo , Talau, mbye, Tamou , Maumalo
Say hi ?

With the exception of Mbye he signed or re-signed all those blokes.

No one of any note wants to come here ..that was ingrained in our club before Madge arrived.

Who’s he sign up .. blokes from the pub ?

I don’t really rate Madge but you can’t hack crap on him and then say that our roster is better than bottom 4 which it isn’t .

Madge > Paul Green, Nathan Brown, Kevin Walters
 
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402505) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402495) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402484) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402455) said:
@4jtigers said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402450) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

it's the other way around mate, it's the players that drops the ball and miss tackles, not the coach

Disagree.

So it's the coach that drops the balls and misses the tackles?

The clubs role is to basically have the facilities to be able to let the players prepare.
The coaches role is to basically prepare the team to play.
The players role is to play.

I really can't see how some of you stop at the coach to blame, when the players are clearly not fulfilling there bit?

Your last sentence is the issue. He cannot get the players to perform.

It's up to the players to perform when they get on the field, the coach doesn't actually go on the field and hold there hand.

He's signed or re-signed nearly all the players. He cannot get them to perform. As a former prominent federal politician had as his election slogan "it's time".
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402511) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402505) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402495) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402484) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402455) said:
@4jtigers said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402450) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

it's the other way around mate, it's the players that drops the ball and miss tackles, not the coach

Disagree.

So it's the coach that drops the balls and misses the tackles?

The clubs role is to basically have the facilities to be able to let the players prepare.
The coaches role is to basically prepare the team to play.
The players role is to play.

I really can't see how some of you stop at the coach to blame, when the players are clearly not fulfilling there bit?

Your last sentence is the issue. He cannot get the players to perform.

It's up to the players to perform when they get on the field, the coach doesn't actually go on the field and hold there hand.

He's signed or re-signed nearly all the players. He cannot get them to perform. As a former prominent federal politician had as his election slogan "it's time".

Player attitude
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402511) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402505) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402495) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402484) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402455) said:
@4jtigers said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402450) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

it's the other way around mate, it's the players that drops the ball and miss tackles, not the coach

Disagree.

So it's the coach that drops the balls and misses the tackles?

The clubs role is to basically have the facilities to be able to let the players prepare.
The coaches role is to basically prepare the team to play.
The players role is to play.

I really can't see how some of you stop at the coach to blame, when the players are clearly not fulfilling there bit?

Your last sentence is the issue. He cannot get the players to perform.

It's up to the players to perform when they get on the field, the coach doesn't actually go on the field and hold there hand.

He's signed or re-signed nearly all the players. He cannot get them to perform. As a former prominent federal politician had as his election slogan "it's time".

Technically it is a team effort (Hartigan & Madge) to sign and re-sign players, but what has that got to do with players not performing?
Did you not listen to player interviews post the storm game? They all said it is about there own lack of effort. NO one has said its Madge's issue, except you and a few others.
Anyway, you blokes have backed your opinions into a corner, you won't/can't look at anything else, so there is no more discussion about this from me.
Madge is the coach until he is not. I hope he gets it done.
 
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402525) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402511) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402505) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402495) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402484) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402455) said:
@4jtigers said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402450) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

it's the other way around mate, it's the players that drops the ball and miss tackles, not the coach

Disagree.

So it's the coach that drops the balls and misses the tackles?

The clubs role is to basically have the facilities to be able to let the players prepare.
The coaches role is to basically prepare the team to play.
The players role is to play.

I really can't see how some of you stop at the coach to blame, when the players are clearly not fulfilling there bit?

Your last sentence is the issue. He cannot get the players to perform.

It's up to the players to perform when they get on the field, the coach doesn't actually go on the field and hold there hand.

He's signed or re-signed nearly all the players. He cannot get them to perform. As a former prominent federal politician had as his election slogan "it's time".

Technically it is a team effort (Hartigan & Madge) to sign and re-sign players, but what has that got to do with players not performing?
Did you not listen to player interviews post the storm game? They all said it is about there own lack of effort. NO one has said its Madge's issue, except you and a few others.
Anyway, you blokes have backed your opinions into a corner, you won't/can't look at anything else, so there is no more discussion about this from me.
Madge is the coach until he is not. I hope he gets it done.

Do you really believe any player will give frank and fearless advice about a coach in an interview and put at risk their contract?
 
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402392) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402357) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402349) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402347) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402342) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402333) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402321) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402312) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402303) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402287) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402280) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402277) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402274) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402271) said:
@tigerwest said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402260) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Should we go with a new narrative?](/post/1402255) said:
He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

?
How’d you come up with those figures ?

Because 3 out of 4 ain't bad ,baby , 3 out of 4 ain't bad
 
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He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

it's the other way around mate, it's the players that drops the ball and miss tackles, not the coach

Disagree.

So it's the coach that drops the balls and misses the tackles?

The clubs role is to basically have the facilities to be able to let the players prepare.
The coaches role is to basically prepare the team to play.
The players role is to play.

I really can't see how some of you stop at the coach to blame, when the players are clearly not fulfilling there bit?

Your last sentence is the issue. He cannot get the players to perform.

It's up to the players to perform when they get on the field, the coach doesn't actually go on the field and hold there hand.

He's signed or re-signed nearly all the players. He cannot get them to perform. As a former prominent federal politician had as his election slogan "it's time".

Player attitude

That doesn't change the fact he cannot get them to perform.
 

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