Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[stevied]

It's the impression I get too. Develop and encourage the talented players as they come through then upgrade them as they begin to realise their potential while keeping a firm lid on the coffers.

 

[Telltails]

I give up Avo, Gal, Hobo and all the other Pascoe Haters.

Last week he forgot to put the garbage out, He signed Madge and then let him go holidays, Didn't comb his hair for the Q & A, He signed Jennings not Madge etc.

I think he is responsible for the crown of thorns starfish, global warming and just aboeverything else that is dodgy.

You guys should start a petition - we want a CEO.

Obviously in your opinions we don't have one.

I don’t hate Pascoe, I’ve never even met him. But I think he’s proven himself to be a poor CEO. I don’t think much of the board either.


Based on what ? He’s currently presiding over the first profitable period in west’s tigers history .
It’s been stating numerous times that his background is finance . Seems like financially we are doing alright .
He has finally gotten a COE off the ground . This has been talked about for 10 years and it’s finally here. Signed 2 top of the tree coaches , by all accounts.
Totally gutted the back room , to now have a really solid corporate roster.
Oh wait he didn’t sign your favourite footy player .... YOU SUCK PASCOE ... bla bla

3rd coach in 4 years
700k fine for incompetence
Never made finals

Lol ? the Farah thing is his only mis step . And really it ,considering what’s happened st Souths the last year , the misstep was declaring it before it happened .
The rest is garbage , and manipulating the facts to suit your agenda .
I feel sorry for you. The amount of energy you throw into perpetuating an oust Doust type situation , when blind Freddy can see how much good has been done on Pascoes watch , is sad.
Can I ask, do you actually believe this stuff ? Or is it you want to be zigging when everyone is zagging ?

How can one manipulate a fact? It’s a fact or it isn’t.

Did he cop a fine which we’re still struggling with? Yep.

Did he say he’d only release Matterson if we got a favourable outcome? Yep.

Has he been through 3 coaches in 4 years? Yep

Has he ever taken us to the finals? Nope.

They’re the facts. But we’re getting a gym at least!

Also, still waiting for you to reply to my post from yesterday. Can you please point me to the post where the_pom mentioned Moylan? Or was it just made up rubbish to suit your agenda..

To get a better a coach you have to sack the rubbish one - re Taylor. Cleary made his position untenable, and he was able to secure a better coach again.Not sure why any fair minded fan would have a problem with any of that. Good job Pascoe.
Releasing Matterson would not have been his decision alone just like the Roosters deciding to release arguably one of the best players in the game - decisions are made that are in the best interest of the club based on player welfare and relationships with coaches and players that fans are not privy to.
His job description does not include the on field performance and not making the finals is largely attributed to the performance of the players and the coach - and they will be accountable for that.
You have not mentioned any of the community programs that he has introduced, the ability to attract sponsorship and the fact we are in a better financial position off the field than ever. All things he is largely responsible for.
The gym line is getting a bit old - it will be a great asset in making our club more professional in line with other clubs. It was needed and is a good a thing.
He stuffed up the Farah ambassador deal - If you believe he acted alone which is highly unlikely - and the chair at the time was adament that we did not breach the rules but was not backed by the board to challenge the NRL.
Get you don't like the bloke but there is no objectivity in your assessment whatsoever.

 

[Aubanon]

I give up Avo, Gal, Hobo and all the other Pascoe Haters.

Last week he forgot to put the garbage out, He signed Madge and then let him go holidays, Didn't comb his hair for the Q & A, He signed Jennings not Madge etc.

I think he is responsible for the crown of thorns starfish, global warming and just aboeverything else that is dodgy.

You guys should start a petition - we want a CEO.

Obviously in your opinions we don't have one.

I don’t hate Pascoe, I’ve never even met him. But I think he’s proven himself to be a poor CEO. I don’t think much of the board either.


Based on what ? He’s currently presiding over the first profitable period in west’s tigers history .
It’s been stating numerous times that his background is finance . Seems like financially we are doing alright .
He has finally gotten a COE off the ground . This has been talked about for 10 years and it’s finally here. Signed 2 top of the tree coaches , by all accounts.
Totally gutted the back room , to now have a really solid corporate roster.
Oh wait he didn’t sign your favourite footy player .... YOU SUCK PASCOE ... bla bla

3rd coach in 4 years
700k fine for incompetence
Never made finals

Extremely simplistic.

Was brought in when Taylor was already here. Blindsighted by clearly (as were we all). Best coach we've ever had now.

Intentions were right with the Robbie debacle and it was early in his tenure.

Had a massive cap issue to repair for most of his tenure so missing finals is almost a given.

If you reward CEOs who take short term over long term, like we always have, we'll never get out of our hole.

Ignoring everything else, the salary cap fine should have been the end of him.

Wonder what workplace that you operate in where you are sacked on your first mistake and all the good you've done, which no other one has done before in your role, is ignored.

I think most workplaces would fire someone for copping a 700k fine for not understanding their job

Pascoe was the fall guy for the Robbie situation. Do you think the board had nothing to do with the offer?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I know this has been said before but I think the strategy of building from the bottom, in other words sign a swathe of promising juniors from around the league and develop them patiently is really the way to go for the Tigers. As many have said, we just don’t have the drawing power of other clubs to snare the marque players, actually we plain haven’t earned any type of drawing power. Nearly all of our star players have come from within, Benji being the classic example. Maybe when we have begun to assemble a talented squad, established a stable coaching and management team we will begin to be attractive to the elite players, who should be signed based on need or an attempt to provide the icing on the cake. By developing players from the junior ranks there is a much better chance of establishing team harmony and avoiding attitudes of entitlement and selfishness. It’s a proven recipe. Look at the Storm.


Thats exactly what is happening. We are building from the ground up. Its refreshing and why i refuse to entertain the sky is falling brigade.

Interesting side note is what Maguire comes back from England with. Canberra had the same problem attracting top line talent. They worked out a way around it. Smart operators usually do. Others sign players like Rankin and Packer.

While this is all good, we have had extremely talented juniors in our system previously. These are juniors who have gone on to future success. I am not referring to the big three. What confidence should we have that this "second coming" will not end in a repeat performance of the failures of the past?

 

[avocadoontoast]

While this is all good, we have had extremely talented juniors in our system previously. These are juniors who have gone on to future success. I am not referring to the big three. What confidence should we have that this “second coming” will not end in a repeat performance of the failures of the past?

This is a good point. I think there needs to be a balance. Signing the young guy Stefano from the Eels looks to be a really prudent signing and I’m looking forward to seeing him in 2021. I think we’re crying out for some star power though In addition to those junior signings. Getting a couple of big names on board will assist with our recruitment massively imo.

 

[TillLindemann]

A few people have made good points about our juniors coming through, and building from the bottom up instead of signing superstars.

The flipside of this: the one club that everyone points to as a club that can sign stars, the Roosters, is the one club that HAS to, due to having bugger all of their own juniors.

 

[stevied]

I know this has been said before but I think the strategy of building from the bottom, in other words sign a swathe of promising juniors from around the league and develop them patiently is really the way to go for the Tigers. As many have said, we just don’t have the drawing power of other clubs to snare the marque players, actually we plain haven’t earned any type of drawing power. Nearly all of our star players have come from within, Benji being the classic example. Maybe when we have begun to assemble a talented squad, established a stable coaching and management team we will begin to be attractive to the elite players, who should be signed based on need or an attempt to provide the icing on the cake. By developing players from the junior ranks there is a much better chance of establishing team harmony and avoiding attitudes of entitlement and selfishness. It’s a proven recipe. Look at the Storm.


Thats exactly what is happening. We are building from the ground up. Its refreshing and why i refuse to entertain the sky is falling brigade.

Interesting side note is what Maguire comes back from England with. Canberra had the same problem attracting top line talent. They worked out a way around it. Smart operators usually do. Others sign players like Rankin and Packer.

While this is all good, we have had extremely talented juniors in our system previously. These are juniors who have gone on to future success. I am not referring to the big three. What confidence should we have that this "second coming" will not end in a repeat performance of the failures of the past?

By having more clever management, a more effective coach and by learning from previous mistakes.

 

[tony soprano]

Someone mentioned it. Pascoe’s strength is finance, and if he was judged on what he has brought on for west’s tigers in that area alone it would be commendable and that even including the loss of cap for Robbie deal. In saying that though this is where we haven’t quite got our house in order. Giving full autonomy to one person in order to conduct and provide deals is where we came un stuck. we need a team making those decisions and signing off on those deals. But I’m sure we have learnt from that. So not to rehash the past any further.
In present I believe Pascoe is a wiz behind the scenes for us but as a face of the Tigers this is the part that I don’t agree with. He never tries to look presentable. He either tries to be a joke when he needs to be serious or if he is being serious he communicates to the fan base in this arrogant corporate speak where he doesn’t answer the concerns head on he gives political looping answers
For mine he’d be a perfect CFO but hasn’t got the right character to be a CEO.

I think you have it all wrong

Pascoe has structured his department so he is not getting too involved In decision making of recruitment, like you mentioned he is finance so it makes no sense for him to be involved he mere is signing off as capacity as CEO.

that’s why he structured a general manager of football, and the coach are heavily involved in recruitment and Pascoe lets them work autonomously and keeps at arms length, (that’s gm and coach job).

My opinion is recruitment of his staff has been his down fall,

Not sure if he recruited Jason Taylor???


But Cleary and kelly and even the bloke at parra have been duds for us.

Comments about his appearance are just sad.

 

[fainty]

First time I’ve actually decided to comment on here in a few years...boy we can get off subject can’t we?!

 

[Spartan117]

We sure can Fainty.. especially during off season.

8 odd weeks until round 1

 

[Masterton]

I give up Avo, Gal, Hobo and all the other Pascoe Haters.

Last week he forgot to put the garbage out, He signed Madge and then let him go holidays, Didn't comb his hair for the Q & A, He signed Jennings not Madge etc.

I think he is responsible for the crown of thorns starfish, global warming and just aboeverything else that is dodgy.

You guys should start a petition - we want a CEO.

Obviously in your opinions we don't have one.

I don’t hate Pascoe, I’ve never even met him. But I think he’s proven himself to be a poor CEO. I don’t think much of the board either.


Based on what ? He’s currently presiding over the first profitable period in west’s tigers history .
It’s been stating numerous times that his background is finance . Seems like financially we are doing alright .
He has finally gotten a COE off the ground . This has been talked about for 10 years and it’s finally here. Signed 2 top of the tree coaches , by all accounts.
Totally gutted the back room , to now have a really solid corporate roster.
Oh wait he didn’t sign your favourite footy player .... YOU SUCK PASCOE ... bla bla

3rd coach in 4 years
700k fine for incompetence
Never made finals

Lol ? the Farah thing is his only mis step . And really it ,considering what’s happened st Souths the last year , the misstep was declaring it before it happened .
The rest is garbage , and manipulating the facts to suit your agenda .
I feel sorry for you. The amount of energy you throw into perpetuating an oust Doust type situation , when blind Freddy can see how much good has been done on Pascoes watch , is sad.
Can I ask, do you actually believe this stuff ? Or is it you want to be zigging when everyone is zagging ?

How can one manipulate a fact? It’s a fact or it isn’t.

Has he been through 3 coaches in 4 years? Yep

Yeah, we'd be so much better with 1 coach in 4 years. You're a JT fan?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Just on JT, while I didn't like him as a coach, I believe the motivation for his appointment really needs to come under scrutiny. In my view, one of the underlying reasons for a reluctance of top players to join the club is due to this issue.

 

[Nelson]

Just on JT, while I didn't like him as a coach, I believe the motivation for his appointment really needs to come under scrutiny. In my view, one of the underlying reasons for a reluctance of top players to join the club is due to this issue.

Why does it need to come under scrutiny? How is it relevant to season 2020?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Just on JT, while I didn't like him as a coach, I believe the motivation for his appointment really needs to come under scrutiny. In my view, one of the underlying reasons for a reluctance of top players to join the club is due to this issue.


Why does it need to come under scrutiny? How is it relevant to season 2020?

An individual may be brought in to undertake specific tasks (or task). We all know the task. Regardless of your feelings, it painted the Club in a bad light and no doubt players remember.

 

[TheDaBoss]

We sure can Fainty.. especially during off season.

8 odd weeks until round 1

Can't wait until nines

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[tigeress]

A few people have made good points about our juniors coming through, and building from the bottom up instead of signing superstars.

The flipside of this: the one club that everyone points to as a club that can sign stars, the Roosters, is the one club that HAS to, due to having bugger all of their own juniors.

ALL CLUBS should do this, then at least we are on the same level....whats wrong with that idea:slightly_smiling_face:

 

[Spud_Murphy]

We sure can Fainty.. especially during off season.

8 odd weeks until round 1

It’s been a very frustrating off season guys. So easy to stray off the topic when nothing concrete is actually happening. The difference on here was very notable for a week or so when Leilua signed. Sadly it didn’t last long, as we were all hopeful for more good news on the signing front that hasn’t eventuated.

 

[OzLuke]

I give up Avo, Gal, Hobo and all the other Pascoe Haters.

Last week he forgot to put the garbage out, He signed Madge and then let him go holidays, Didn't comb his hair for the Q & A, He signed Jennings not Madge etc.

I think he is responsible for the crown of thorns starfish, global warming and just aboeverything else that is dodgy.

You guys should start a petition - we want a CEO.

Obviously in your opinions we don't have one.

I don’t hate Pascoe, I’ve never even met him. But I think he’s proven himself to be a poor CEO. I don’t think much of the board either.


Based on what ? He’s currently presiding over the first profitable period in west’s tigers history .
It’s been stating numerous times that his background is finance . Seems like financially we are doing alright .
He has finally gotten a COE off the ground . This has been talked about for 10 years and it’s finally here. Signed 2 top of the tree coaches , by all accounts.
Totally gutted the back room , to now have a really solid corporate roster.
Oh wait he didn’t sign your favourite footy player .... YOU SUCK PASCOE ... bla bla

3rd coach in 4 years
700k fine for incompetence
Never made finals

Extremely simplistic.

Was brought in when Taylor was already here. Blindsighted by clearly (as were we all). Best coach we've ever had now.

Intentions were right with the Robbie debacle and it was early in his tenure.

Had a massive cap issue to repair for most of his tenure so missing finals is almost a given.

If you reward CEOs who take short term over long term, like we always have, we'll never get out of our hole.

Ignoring everything else, the salary cap fine should have been the end of him.

Wonder what workplace that you operate in where you are sacked on your first mistake and all the good you've done, which no other one has done before in your role, is ignored.

I think most workplaces would fire someone for copping a 700k fine for not understanding their job

Pascoe was the fall guy for the Robbie situation. Do you think the board had nothing to do with the offer?

In all honesty he didn't need to be the fall guy. He could've thrown the entire board/management under the bus on that one but took the punishment dished out, which in turn tarnishes his reputation to some degree. He opted to take the hit for the good of the club, and in my opinion, was in the Tigers best interests.....

 

[gallagher]

I give up Avo, Gal, Hobo and all the other Pascoe Haters.

Last week he forgot to put the garbage out, He signed Madge and then let him go holidays, Didn't comb his hair for the Q & A, He signed Jennings not Madge etc.

I think he is responsible for the crown of thorns starfish, global warming and just aboeverything else that is dodgy.

You guys should start a petition - we want a CEO.

Obviously in your opinions we don't have one.

I don’t hate Pascoe, I’ve never even met him. But I think he’s proven himself to be a poor CEO. I don’t think much of the board either.


Based on what ? He’s currently presiding over the first profitable period in west’s tigers history .
It’s been stating numerous times that his background is finance . Seems like financially we are doing alright .
He has finally gotten a COE off the ground . This has been talked about for 10 years and it’s finally here. Signed 2 top of the tree coaches , by all accounts.
Totally gutted the back room , to now have a really solid corporate roster.
Oh wait he didn’t sign your favourite footy player .... YOU SUCK PASCOE ... bla bla

3rd coach in 4 years
700k fine for incompetence
Never made finals

Extremely simplistic.

Was brought in when Taylor was already here. Blindsighted by clearly (as were we all). Best coach we've ever had now.

Intentions were right with the Robbie debacle and it was early in his tenure.

Had a massive cap issue to repair for most of his tenure so missing finals is almost a given.

If you reward CEOs who take short term over long term, like we always have, we'll never get out of our hole.

Ignoring everything else, the salary cap fine should have been the end of him.

Wonder what workplace that you operate in where you are sacked on your first mistake and all the good you've done, which no other one has done before in your role, is ignored.

I think most workplaces would fire someone for copping a 700k fine for not understanding their job

Pascoe was the fall guy for the Robbie situation. Do you think the board had nothing to do with the offer?

In all honesty he didn't need to be the fall guy. He could've thrown the entire board/management under the bus on that one but took the punishment dished out, which in turn tarnishes his reputation to some degree. He opted to take the hit for the good of the club, and in my opinion, was in the Tigers best interests.....

After the NRL investigated other clubs that cheated the cap they punished all involved, CEO's, football managers and board members. Only Pascoe copping sanctions points to him being the one responsible.
Unless you have done an investigation more in depth than the NRL, then I'd say you're having a huge guess.

 

[Curaeus]

Couldn't care less how Pascoe dresses or whether he's clean shaven or not. His main job is to get WT into the black and keep us there and, as far as I'm aware, he has been effective in getting us into a decent financial position. That said, if anyone thinks they can do a better job, they might want to consider submitting their CV to the Board and make a case to replace him.