Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[gallagher]


Yes Justin ...those 4-5 options @ 9 measure up so well against the player they are replacing

Justin will be the member for Balmain next election ...he is so good a feeding the fungi

Explain why he would be a member for Balmain And not just a forum member like you?

Because he has the political speak down pat

We have 4-5 candidates for the hooker spot

None are worth diddly squat and will be playing out of position ( bar the one who keeps getting injured ) , but they are candidates

That is the problem , we have been become so conditioned to mediocrity and believed so much garbage that has come from one CEO to the next and so on and so forth , and every coach from so on and so forth , and one chairperson to the next and so on and so forth

But the worst thing is this ...we tell them what we want ...one home ground ...competitive footy side ...a board that is not chosen to represent our past entities ...one that is chosen to use their respective strengths to help us move forward both on and off field

I don't support this club to see sound corporate governance ( don't get me wrong , it's nice to be breaking even ) but we need to start moving upwards on field and really it's starting to go backwards

Time flies. We got the independant board in 2014, Pascoe in 2015 and Wests took 75% ownership in 2016.
We should be well and truly seeing results by now.
As far as breaking even goes, did that coincide with the NRL grant increasing to 125% of the salary cap?

But the thing that gets me the most is you see posters on the Forum who obviously have a firm grasp of football and what is going on at the club constantly blame anyone and everyone bar the people they should be blaming .....the decision makers across the board at the club

Its almost like they think if they admit the club is at fault that they as supporters are at fault ..or they can't admit the club is at fault or that would be the beginning of the end as a supporter

We also rarely see anyone that blame the board have anything more constructive to say than "fire the board". Yeah, like that's just going to magically fix the problem.

We need to start again from scratch ..make the tough decisions we should have made from Day 1

***Having a board that is accountable to the members is a must for starters***

I'd even be prepared to make some really radical decisions to roll the entire roster over

Set 2022 as the season for example , have no current players on the roster (bar the 3-4 you would keep ) signed past then and roll the whole roster over and start again if needs be

People may complain about losing our history , this clubs 8 year history isn't worth keeping or remembering

You realise how the club is structured, right?

That doesnt help does it. No voting rights.

So you don't have voting rights if you're not a member of Ashfield? Pretty sure you get to elect their board.

Well you get to vote for the leagues club board, who then appoint the wests tigers board. Its not the same as being a football club member with direct voting rights.

So you elect a board who appoint the WT board. Sounds like if you're a member of WA you have voting rights and since they control 75% of the club soooooooo if you're a member, then WA is accountable to you which flies in the face of what Happy reckons.

In a round about way thats true.
But as a WA member would I be able to see WT's profit and loss? Address the board at all?


No, not at all. Always bear in mind that the responsibility of members of Wests Ashfield is specifically to Wests Ashfield, not WT. There would be many WA members who couldnt give a rats about the Tigers or even Rugby League and what is important to them is the Wests Ashfield are able to continue to provide entertainment and good service to their members. Pouring $M's into a rugby league team is actually pretty counter productive. At the end of the day WA's charter (and tax free status) is dependent on benefitting it's members.

Ultimately the goal of WA would be for the WT to require $0 from them and that is what the goal of their board appointments would be.

I totally agree Glen. Becoming a WA member wont give you a voice at WTs. The fans have no voice in our model which I dont agree with but certainly see your point of view as to why this is the case.


I understand your and others frustration at the existing model and wanting a vote/say and I've already pretty much explained my POV why its a mistake, but the other thing to consider is if it was the "old" system of football club members having a say, I really dont think it would function the way you and (say) Happy would hope.

As I said before I was a voting member of BDRLFC as well as Balmain Leagues. Pretty much every year there was a "members ticket" or some fan led revolt and they would get up at the AGM and have their say which pretty much would be a summary of the lament threads here and usually they would not get elected or get one seat on a board otherwise filled by the same old people, and there is a good reason for this. Why would you want a brand new board filled with new people without experience which is exactly what could happen.

If members voted on the WT board tomorrow, but Brydens said "I want these guys running the place", who are you going to vote for and what will be the result?

Fair enough, youve made some good points.I think a chairman like Lee Hap can make a bigger impact than previous ones.

 

[Telltails]

So good luck being registered with the NRL without the backing of Wests Ashfield. They have every right to protect their financial interests first because if they are not financially viable we are up the creek.
***Unless you have personally spoken to the members on the board*** and are privy to their motivation for being there how presumptuous to suggest they do not equally share the desire to see this club become successful
Apart from private ownership they are our best and only option to remain in the competition

Im assuming you are referring to me and my post, so Ill elaborate on what I meant.

I'm sure the West Ashfields board members want the Wests Tigers to be successful and IMO (an old Balmain Tiger) i think they are generally being very generous and seem to be sincere.

There are however actual legal considerations for the Wests Ashfield Leagues Clubs board when it comes to granting $$$$ to WT. All Leagues Clubs enjoy pretty tax free status (other than some gaming taxes) on earnings. These tax benefits are because the Club acts as a benevolent society to benefit the members of the club and that the money needs to be spent on this Charter. This is actually very strictly audited. They would be extension have something within their charter (my experience was with Balmain Leagues) about "fostering and developing Rugby League in the area" and Im sure the sponsorship of WT would be tied into this.

WA board have two significant constraints when it comes to giving money to WT. The legal requirements above, and secondly the fact that possibly the majority of their members may not care about RL or Wests Tigers and may not be happy giving away treasure to them when it could be spent on other programs and facilities.

That was what I meant that WA ultimate goal would be to not give any money to WT, ideally because they dont require it, not because WA wouldnt support them.

Got ya - thanks.

 

[Tiger5150]


Yes Justin ...those 4-5 options @ 9 measure up so well against the player they are replacing

Justin will be the member for Balmain next election ...he is so good a feeding the fungi

Explain why he would be a member for Balmain And not just a forum member like you?

Because he has the political speak down pat

We have 4-5 candidates for the hooker spot

None are worth diddly squat and will be playing out of position ( bar the one who keeps getting injured ) , but they are candidates

That is the problem , we have been become so conditioned to mediocrity and believed so much garbage that has come from one CEO to the next and so on and so forth , and every coach from so on and so forth , and one chairperson to the next and so on and so forth

But the worst thing is this ...we tell them what we want ...one home ground ...competitive footy side ...a board that is not chosen to represent our past entities ...one that is chosen to use their respective strengths to help us move forward both on and off field

I don't support this club to see sound corporate governance ( don't get me wrong , it's nice to be breaking even ) but we need to start moving upwards on field and really it's starting to go backwards

Time flies. We got the independant board in 2014, Pascoe in 2015 and Wests took 75% ownership in 2016.
We should be well and truly seeing results by now.
As far as breaking even goes, did that coincide with the NRL grant increasing to 125% of the salary cap?

But the thing that gets me the most is you see posters on the Forum who obviously have a firm grasp of football and what is going on at the club constantly blame anyone and everyone bar the people they should be blaming .....the decision makers across the board at the club

Its almost like they think if they admit the club is at fault that they as supporters are at fault ..or they can't admit the club is at fault or that would be the beginning of the end as a supporter

We also rarely see anyone that blame the board have anything more constructive to say than "fire the board". Yeah, like that's just going to magically fix the problem.

We need to start again from scratch ..make the tough decisions we should have made from Day 1

***Having a board that is accountable to the members is a must for starters***

I'd even be prepared to make some really radical decisions to roll the entire roster over

Set 2022 as the season for example , have no current players on the roster (bar the 3-4 you would keep ) signed past then and roll the whole roster over and start again if needs be

People may complain about losing our history , this clubs 8 year history isn't worth keeping or remembering

You realise how the club is structured, right?

That doesnt help does it. No voting rights.

So you don't have voting rights if you're not a member of Ashfield? Pretty sure you get to elect their board.

Well you get to vote for the leagues club board, who then appoint the wests tigers board. Its not the same as being a football club member with direct voting rights.

So you elect a board who appoint the WT board. Sounds like if you're a member of WA you have voting rights and since they control 75% of the club soooooooo if you're a member, then WA is accountable to you which flies in the face of what Happy reckons.

In a round about way thats true.
But as a WA member would I be able to see WT's profit and loss? Address the board at all?


No, not at all. Always bear in mind that the responsibility of members of Wests Ashfield is specifically to Wests Ashfield, not WT. There would be many WA members who couldnt give a rats about the Tigers or even Rugby League and what is important to them is the Wests Ashfield are able to continue to provide entertainment and good service to their members. Pouring $M's into a rugby league team is actually pretty counter productive. At the end of the day WA's charter (and tax free status) is dependent on benefitting it's members.

Ultimately the goal of WA would be for the WT to require $0 from them and that is what the goal of their board appointments would be.

I totally agree Glen. Becoming a WA member wont give you a voice at WTs. The fans have no voice in our model which I dont agree with but certainly see your point of view as to why this is the case.


I understand your and others frustration at the existing model and wanting a vote/say and I've already pretty much explained my POV why its a mistake, but the other thing to consider is if it was the "old" system of football club members having a say, I really dont think it would function the way you and (say) Happy would hope.

As I said before I was a voting member of BDRLFC as well as Balmain Leagues. Pretty much every year there was a "members ticket" or some fan led revolt and they would get up at the AGM and have their say which pretty much would be a summary of the lament threads here and usually they would not get elected or get one seat on a board otherwise filled by the same old people, and there is a good reason for this. Why would you want a brand new board filled with new people without experience which is exactly what could happen.

If members voted on the WT board tomorrow, but Brydens said "I want these guys running the place", who are you going to vote for and what will be the result?

I'm suggesting you would vote for a ticket of people on the board , not a group of people off the Forum

Yes but fans can form a ticket.

I'm totally for private ownership at the club ,even handing total control over to WA



Ok now Im not understanding you Happy. You are suggesting that we would vote for a ticket of people for the board, but you are also for private ownership? Surely if it was privately owned you wouldnt get to vote on a ticket?

This is really getting the thread off topic, is there a better place for this discussion?

 

[gallagher]


Yes Justin ...those 4-5 options @ 9 measure up so well against the player they are replacing

Justin will be the member for Balmain next election ...he is so good a feeding the fungi

Explain why he would be a member for Balmain And not just a forum member like you?

Because he has the political speak down pat

We have 4-5 candidates for the hooker spot

None are worth diddly squat and will be playing out of position ( bar the one who keeps getting injured ) , but they are candidates

That is the problem , we have been become so conditioned to mediocrity and believed so much garbage that has come from one CEO to the next and so on and so forth , and every coach from so on and so forth , and one chairperson to the next and so on and so forth

But the worst thing is this ...we tell them what we want ...one home ground ...competitive footy side ...a board that is not chosen to represent our past entities ...one that is chosen to use their respective strengths to help us move forward both on and off field

I don't support this club to see sound corporate governance ( don't get me wrong , it's nice to be breaking even ) but we need to start moving upwards on field and really it's starting to go backwards

Time flies. We got the independant board in 2014, Pascoe in 2015 and Wests took 75% ownership in 2016.
We should be well and truly seeing results by now.
As far as breaking even goes, did that coincide with the NRL grant increasing to 125% of the salary cap?

But the thing that gets me the most is you see posters on the Forum who obviously have a firm grasp of football and what is going on at the club constantly blame anyone and everyone bar the people they should be blaming .....the decision makers across the board at the club

Its almost like they think if they admit the club is at fault that they as supporters are at fault ..or they can't admit the club is at fault or that would be the beginning of the end as a supporter

We also rarely see anyone that blame the board have anything more constructive to say than "fire the board". Yeah, like that's just going to magically fix the problem.

We need to start again from scratch ..make the tough decisions we should have made from Day 1

***Having a board that is accountable to the members is a must for starters***

I'd even be prepared to make some really radical decisions to roll the entire roster over

Set 2022 as the season for example , have no current players on the roster (bar the 3-4 you would keep ) signed past then and roll the whole roster over and start again if needs be

People may complain about losing our history , this clubs 8 year history isn't worth keeping or remembering

You realise how the club is structured, right?

That doesnt help does it. No voting rights.

So you don't have voting rights if you're not a member of Ashfield? Pretty sure you get to elect their board.

Well you get to vote for the leagues club board, who then appoint the wests tigers board. Its not the same as being a football club member with direct voting rights.

So you elect a board who appoint the WT board. Sounds like if you're a member of WA you have voting rights and since they control 75% of the club soooooooo if you're a member, then WA is accountable to you which flies in the face of what Happy reckons.

In a round about way thats true.
But as a WA member would I be able to see WT's profit and loss? Address the board at all?


No, not at all. Always bear in mind that the responsibility of members of Wests Ashfield is specifically to Wests Ashfield, not WT. There would be many WA members who couldnt give a rats about the Tigers or even Rugby League and what is important to them is the Wests Ashfield are able to continue to provide entertainment and good service to their members. Pouring $M's into a rugby league team is actually pretty counter productive. At the end of the day WA's charter (and tax free status) is dependent on benefitting it's members.

Ultimately the goal of WA would be for the WT to require $0 from them and that is what the goal of their board appointments would be.

I totally agree Glen. Becoming a WA member wont give you a voice at WTs. The fans have no voice in our model which I dont agree with but certainly see your point of view as to why this is the case.


I understand your and others frustration at the existing model and wanting a vote/say and I've already pretty much explained my POV why its a mistake, but the other thing to consider is if it was the "old" system of football club members having a say, I really dont think it would function the way you and (say) Happy would hope.

As I said before I was a voting member of BDRLFC as well as Balmain Leagues. Pretty much every year there was a "members ticket" or some fan led revolt and they would get up at the AGM and have their say which pretty much would be a summary of the lament threads here and usually they would not get elected or get one seat on a board otherwise filled by the same old people, and there is a good reason for this. Why would you want a brand new board filled with new people without experience which is exactly what could happen.

If members voted on the WT board tomorrow, but Brydens said "I want these guys running the place", who are you going to vote for and what will be the result?

I'm suggesting you would vote for a ticket of people on the board , not a group of people off the Forum

Yes but fans can form a ticket.

I'm totally for private ownership at the club ,even handing total control over to WA



Ok now Im not understanding you Happy. You are suggesting that we would vote for a ticket of people for the board, but you are also for private ownership? Surely if it was privately owned you wouldnt get to vote on a ticket?

This is really getting the thread off topic, is there a better place for this discussion?

The Orange Grove!!

 

[Geo]

Looks like we missed out on another one Tyrell Fuimaono signs with Dragons for 2 years..damn..

 

[Roar_Power]

Looks like we missed out on another one Tyrell Fuimaono signs with Dragons for 2 years..damn..

We were after him?

 

[Harvey]

Looks like we missed out on another one Tyrell Fuimaono signs with Dragons for 2 years..damn..

He was terrible last year. Dodged a bullet.

 

[Geo]

Looks like we missed out on another one Tyrell Fuimaono signs with Dragons for 2 years..damn..


He was terrible last year. Dodged a bullet.

But the Dragons signed him and we can't sign anyone with all our money..

 

[tiger05premier]

Looks like we missed out on another one Tyrell Fuimaono signs with Dragons for 2 years..damn..

We were after him?

Aren't we after everyone

 

[tiger05premier]

Looks like we missed out on another one Tyrell Fuimaono signs with Dragons for 2 years..damn..


He was terrible last year. Dodged a bullet.

But the Dragons signed him and we can't sign anyone with all our money..

We got Jordan Rankin years ago at a time when we didn't have money

But just as he was coming good sure enough he left for a better club

 

[trentrunciman]

was at an NBL game last year

I'll stop you there. How are the Singapore Slingers doing?

HAHAHA i'm pretty sure they're gone now mate...i always wondered how they were in the NBL.

home and AWAAAAAY games haha

 

[Deleted member 3518]


Yes Justin ...those 4-5 options @ 9 measure up so well against the player they are replacing

Justin will be the member for Balmain next election ...he is so good a feeding the fungi

Explain why he would be a member for Balmain And not just a forum member like you?

Because he has the political speak down pat

We have 4-5 candidates for the hooker spot

None are worth diddly squat and will be playing out of position ( bar the one who keeps getting injured ) , but they are candidates

That is the problem , we have been become so conditioned to mediocrity and believed so much garbage that has come from one CEO to the next and so on and so forth , and every coach from so on and so forth , and one chairperson to the next and so on and so forth

But the worst thing is this ...we tell them what we want ...one home ground ...competitive footy side ...a board that is not chosen to represent our past entities ...one that is chosen to use their respective strengths to help us move forward both on and off field

I don't support this club to see sound corporate governance ( don't get me wrong , it's nice to be breaking even ) but we need to start moving upwards on field and really it's starting to go backwards

Time flies. We got the independant board in 2014, Pascoe in 2015 and Wests took 75% ownership in 2016.
We should be well and truly seeing results by now.
As far as breaking even goes, did that coincide with the NRL grant increasing to 125% of the salary cap?


Yea it did ! The team was one of only 3 clubs to turn a profit last year !
But the club is in disarray right ?
Ugh! Every 3rd day you guys trudge this crap out . Now in 4 different threads .
I know you can’t see me , but I don’t care . You guys suck . There’s litterally a thread for this rubbish

If West's were a publicly listed company, turning a profit would be awesome. West's are a footy team that cant win games. Bet hey, at least they're in the black! they can spend that money on a huge signing...oh wait.

People like you are are the reason that mediocrity is accepted around this club and is now part of their DNA.

Ah no it’s not ! Who’s accepting anything ? I’m merely pointing out that , a CEOs role is to run the company , more often than not that involves maximising revenue and whatever internal KPI they have .
The general fickle nature of a competition that has only 16 teams and really 1 winner each year, means that getting a basket case club/company , from borderline closing up shop to a profitable enterprise , can be all you can bank on year to year.. Now the on field product has to match the off field .
But I see incremental baby steps , where you all want it yesterday.

 

[Deleted member 3518]


Yes Justin ...those 4-5 options @ 9 measure up so well against the player they are replacing

Justin will be the member for Balmain next election ...he is so good a feeding the fungi

Explain why he would be a member for Balmain And not just a forum member like you?

Because he has the political speak down pat

We have 4-5 candidates for the hooker spot

None are worth diddly squat and will be playing out of position ( bar the one who keeps getting injured ) , but they are candidates

That is the problem , we have been become so conditioned to mediocrity and believed so much garbage that has come from one CEO to the next and so on and so forth , and every coach from so on and so forth , and one chairperson to the next and so on and so forth

But the worst thing is this ...we tell them what we want ...one home ground ...competitive footy side ...a board that is not chosen to represent our past entities ...one that is chosen to use their respective strengths to help us move forward both on and off field

I don't support this club to see sound corporate governance ( don't get me wrong , it's nice to be breaking even ) but we need to start moving upwards on field and really it's starting to go backwards

Time flies. We got the independant board in 2014, Pascoe in 2015 and Wests took 75% ownership in 2016.
We should be well and truly seeing results by now.
As far as breaking even goes, did that coincide with the NRL grant increasing to 125% of the salary cap?


Yea it did ! The team was one of only 3 clubs to turn a profit last year !
But the club is in disarray right ?
Ugh! Every 3rd day you guys trudge this crap out . Now in 4 different threads .
I know you can’t see me , but I don’t care . You guys suck . There’s litterally a thread for this rubbish

If West's were a publicly listed company, turning a profit would be awesome. West's are a footy team that cant win games. Bet hey, at least they're in the black! they can spend that money on a huge signing...oh wait.

People like you are are the reason that mediocrity is accepted around this club and is now part of their DNA.

How do you propose the club signs players without money? Consider this is the position we were in
"The Wests Tigers have gone from posting a $4.6 million loss in 2016 to rounding out 2018 with a $100,000 profit - and the club did not even play in the NRL finals."
Now twelve months later we are in a position to offer the best players in the game $1mill contracts.
That's why the fans who offer nothing other than repeating "not accepting mediocrity" line are not making decisions while others closer to knowing what really is needed are working to get us into a winning position.

Hey, i'm in the same boat as you. I support the same team. My issue is that for such a long time there has been reasons (valid or not) for lack of success. I hope that the club turning a profit means the future is bright but if your honest do you really believe that? If west's were only one a 3 clubs to make a profit, that means that there was possibly 6 teams in the top 8 that lost money...but played finals.

Again, i want the club to succeed but i think pinning all our hopes on some extra cash is not the magic bullet.

It’s not the cash mate . It’s the way in which we acquired it , and where it is being spent .
Even if that is to wine and dine powerful people into signing off on a a new COE.
But players are attracted to the roosters because of cash . Because of what it brings , who it brings, how it makes them look , and sets them up. It used to be Manly with the fat cheque book.
Then it was the bulldogs for a while there . Even we had a go at it in the late 80s.
You need money to make money. I don’t see why this is so hard to understand? Players want their egos stroked , and the fuel that makes them push through adversity to strive for greatness , doesn’t just end when they leave the gym or footy field .

 

[Tim Sheens]

(how much “value” does a sponsor really recieve other than some marketing exposure).

Though, according to Lee, our chairman, his firm invests heavily as it is their best source of return. Sadly, marketing exposure along with canapes and champagne in private boxes is the reality for most.

 

[WT2K]

Looks like we missed out on another one Tyrell Fuimaono signs with Dragons for 2 years..damn..

Brings dragons squad to 28 players

 

[jirskyr]

>Well bottom to top seems an idea , the club’s set up to protect itself and it’s heirachy for starters Being a member means nothing really you don’t have a say in its leadership Wonder how much more passion our board would have for results if they had members ready to sack them if they failed

Yes, you are a ticketed member not a voting member. I'm not under any false illusions about what my membership means.

Argue it all you like , you accept mediocrity and I’ll go as far as saying you eat sleep and bath in mediocrity as far as the WT’s go

And our past on field …your kidding right …so we can’t comment on our past performances
So the club can make any promise it likes and not deliver and that’s ok with you …I wish I worked for you

Don't assume to tell me what I accept.

I just don't think you understand the difference I am trying to explain, between accepting a bad team and accepting that they are YOUR bad team. I didn't choose Tigers, they were thrust upon me, warts and all. The losses always feel bad, but personally I can't do anything about it. I get over it, move on. I am fatally aware of the very limited capacity I personally have for impacting the actual real-world club performances.

Oh, I could piss and moan about it until blue in the face, but this is the internet and I'm nobody, and nobody at the Tigers actually cares. I didn't mention anything about past performances, I just said administrative items like Farahgate or Cleary are done, dead, you can't do anything about those anymore. It's especially pointless to argue about behind-the-scenes stuff like whether or not Pascoe is a good CEO, whether the WT board is any good. You'll never know.

You end up with two options - keep following the club, or stop following the club. It's pointless to follow the club and hate it, unless you are some kind of sadist.

And that I think was old man tiger's point - everyone on here is a passionate Tigers fan and that means we've all endured a very very long history of failure. At some level, everyone must be accepting mediocrity, by your definition, otherwise they would have quit footy or found a new club.

 

[jirskyr]

So the club can make any promise it likes and not deliver and that's ok with you .....I wish I worked for you

Also, if you worked for me, I'd put my boot right in your arse. But you don't work for me, and neither does anyone at the Tigers.

 

[Geo]

So the club can make any promise it likes and not deliver and that's ok with you .....I wish I worked for you

Also, if you worked for me, I'd put my boot right in your arse. But you don't work for me, and neither does anyone at the Tigers.

:grinning: :laughing: :joy:

 

[hobbo1]

So the club can make any promise it likes and not deliver and that's ok with you .....I wish I worked for you

Also, if you worked for me, I'd put my boot right in your arse. But you don't work for me, and neither does anyone at the Tigers.

:grinning: :laughing: :joy:

Lmao
?

 

[Newtown]

True supporters don't continually winge and complain about their team. What can they do to improve their team's performance? All they can do is support their team.