Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[TYGA]

How do you come to that? Who have I missed?
**SIGNED 2018**
1\. Tuimoala Lolohea
2\. David Nofoaluma
3\. Taane Milne
4\. Moses Suli
5\. Mahe Fonua
6\. Josh Reynolds
7\. Luke Brooks
8\. Ben Matulino
9\. Jacob Liddle
10\. Russell Packer
11\. Chris McQueen
12\. Chris Lawrence
13\. Jesse Sue
14\. Josh Aloiai
15\. JJ Felise
16\. Michael Chee-Kam
17\. Alex Twal
18\. Matt McIlwrick
19\. Esan Masters
20\. Malakai Watene-Zelezniak
21\. Corey Thompson
22\. Tyson Gamble

23\. Elijah Taylor (option?)
24\. Tim Grant (option?)

OFF CONTRACT
Kevin Niaqama
Matt Eisenhuth
Joel Edwards
Watson Heleta
Justin Hunt
Jack Littlejohn
Kyle Lovett
Junior Tatola
Bayley Sironen

Still need alot more signings to compete with the top teams

Based on above we will have room for another 7 assuming Grant leaves and ET extends. If we land Watson & Rona we will have cap room for another 5 players.
I would look at 2 props (Vete, Ofehengaue) 2 backrowers (Boyle, B Thompson) and a centre (Roberts)

That would be a solid squad.

Indeed it would, but I would like us to re-sign Eisenhuth as well. I think there could be a great comeback story with this fellow.

Eisenhuth looks the goods agree definitely re sign him.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Ok here's a fun fact .. Roosters have 0 TPAs.
Here's a second fun fact… Tigers top 25 top Tier salary cap includes:
Robbie Farah
Tim Simona
Mitchell Moses
Curtis Sironen
Matt Ballin.

Keep blaming TPAs if you want but roster mismanagement is the single most deciding factor in whether a team is successful or not.
Last year Cronulla used only 23 players to win a comp.. they spend hardly anything on second tier cap.
Wests Tigers have been losing year after year because they have been horrible at managing a roster and have had some bad luck with injury.

Here's a fun fact, Roosters have lots of TPAs and we only have a few. Broncos have more TPAs thrown at them than they do players. One city clubs like that have such a ridiculous advantage. Geography and the connections the board have are the two deciding factors for TPAs.

**You're also confusing the 25 and the salary cap. None of those players are currently in our top 2**5\. Yes parts of players contracts like Farah and Sirro are included in our total cap, as was the portion of Simona/Moses' salary up until they left the club. None of these players are in the top 25 players 'at the club' . With Ballin retiring we're apparently getting an extra spot in our 25 and 200k of cap space.

We need to have 25 players in the cap outside of those guys and then we get into the 2nd tier.

The Tigers problems come from poor recruitment retention mainly from several years ago, for which this season is the last of ridiculous over inflated contracts given to juniors and others. Grant Mayer really did almost kill this club.

no I am not… ALL of those players are in the top tier 25 .. Every.. single.. one... 100% guarantee.. 100% certain.. 100% without doubt.. All of these players contributed to the 2017 Salary Cap! that is the issue.. and that is the fundamental reason why the Tigers stink... Blame the Roosters and geography all you want.. but Tigers won't improve with that mentality and I'm sure Ivan Clearly isn't lying around kicking stones and complaining and nor should you... I want the Tigers to be professional like the Storm.. recruit and develop like the Storm.. I want the Tigers to have a culture of excellence.. not a whinging ,... complaining.. someone else's fault.. blah blah.. point is.. Tigers have been hopeless in lots of areas that have nothing to do with with other clubs.

Have been a little confused lately as Balmain Boy had been reading a bit differently to my normal expectation, and today with the above quoting of BalmainBoy I can now understand why.

You have to be playing (registered) at a club to be in the top twenty five, not just getting paid part of your salary by them. Farah is in the bunnies top twenty five, just as Moses changed to the eels roster the day he was released and opened a spot in ours.

As of today, the top squads will now remain the same until the end of the year as the transfer window is closed.

 

[Born_tiger]

Hearing we are keen on signing Chris heiginton

I would love heigno for a year. True clubman, puts the team before himself.

 

[Russell]

I would say that Melbourne and other top clubs have the luxury of fielding certain one-dimensional players.

In terms of defence, high ball, return metres in early tackles I consider JAC to be average. He obviously excels in open space and finishing.

Nofo is similarly flawed, not great on defence or kick defence but top-notch in DH runs and finding the corner in traffic.

Difference being that JAC can be the icing on a Storm cake, Nofo is currently leaned on as a key ingredient in the WT cake itself. If JAC and Nofo make a mistake, I back Melbourne a much greater chance to defend that mistake than Tigers.

You're right there, jirskyr but Russell was comparing JAC to Rankin - and choosing Superstar Rankin.

I was, on the game that I saw JAC play for the Storm. I then stated that JAC's performance in that game made Rankin look like a superstar. Fail to see what the problem is.

The problem is that you're wrong. Rankin is as bog average as it gets

The problem is I was right. IT was JAC that was below bog average in that game.

 

[Chainlink]

Still need alot more signings to compete with the top teams

Based on above we will have room for another 7 assuming Grant leaves and ET extends. If we land Watson & Rona we will have cap room for another 5 players.
I would look at 2 props (Vete, Ofehengaue) 2 backrowers (Boyle, B Thompson) and a centre (Roberts)

That would be a solid squad.

Keep in mind that's assuming that ALL our signings are top 30\. This may not be the case and pending future signings, some of these signings might actually be second tier.

The whole point of having a top 30 is to reduce the need for a second tier, which would be more for juniors. So any of these players could play without issues with the cap. All of these signings would be top 30.

So is there no second tier at all from next year? You need more than 30 players to fill two full teams. So there must be some allowance outside the top 30?

 

[momo_amp_medo]

I know it's easy to say this now but I reckon we should have brought TMM back home.
Always said he was a more solid option. Hope Lolo can prove me wrong.

 

[vlad]

I know it's easy to say this now but I reckon we should have brought TMM back home.
Always said he was a more solid option. Hope Lolo can prove me wrong.

That might end up being our sliding doors moment . Keeping Brooks/Moses instead of TMM .

Hope it doesn't end up as bad as when the Dogs let go of Thurston to keep Sherwin/Anasta

 

[Mickeyboy]

TMM can't be an immortal, he's a kiwi :slight_smile:

 

[tigerbenji]

Have always liked TMM, But cant keep them all, Unless your the Roosters or Broncs or Dogs.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

There are a few comments floating around about Austin. It may be related to the Raiders' poor form but it is interesting because of his early departure from WTs to move to the ACT. Has anyone heard rumblings?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

There are a few comments floating around about Austin. It may be related to the Raiders' poor form but it is interesting because of his early departure from WTs to move to the ACT. Has anyone heard rumblings?

Wouldn't surprise me if he was on the outer at Canberra. Leilua was caught on camera during the Broncos game unloading on him for bombing a try due to him being a hog. He's probably the most selfish player I've ever seen. His outside men must hate his guts.

 

[Demps]

There are a few comments floating around about Austin. It may be related to the Raiders' poor form but it is interesting because of his early departure from WTs to move to the ACT. Has anyone heard rumblings?

No

 

[diedpretty]

Ok here's a fun fact .. Roosters have 0 TPAs.
Here's a second fun fact… Tigers top 25 top Tier salary cap includes:
Robbie Farah
Tim Simona
Mitchell Moses
Curtis Sironen
Matt Ballin.

Keep blaming TPAs if you want but roster mismanagement is the single most deciding factor in whether a team is successful or not.
Last year Cronulla used only 23 players to win a comp.. they spend hardly anything on second tier cap.
Wests Tigers have been losing year after year because they have been horrible at managing a roster and have had some bad luck with injury.

Here's a fun fact, Roosters have lots of TPAs and we only have a few. Broncos have more TPAs thrown at them than they do players. One city clubs like that have such a ridiculous advantage. Geography and the connections the board have are the two deciding factors for TPAs.

**You're also confusing the 25 and the salary cap. None of those players are currently in our top 2**5\. Yes parts of players contracts like Farah and Sirro are included in our total cap, as was the portion of Simona/Moses' salary up until they left the club. None of these players are in the top 25 players 'at the club' . With Ballin retiring we're apparently getting an extra spot in our 25 and 200k of cap space.

We need to have 25 players in the cap outside of those guys and then we get into the 2nd tier.

The Tigers problems come from poor recruitment retention mainly from several years ago, for which this season is the last of ridiculous over inflated contracts given to juniors and others. Grant Mayer really did almost kill this club.

no I am not… ALL of those players are in the top tier 25 .. Every.. single.. one... 100% guarantee.. 100% certain.. 100% without doubt.. All of these players contributed to the 2017 Salary Cap! that is the issue.. and that is the fundamental reason why the Tigers stink... Blame the Roosters and geography all you want.. but Tigers won't improve with that mentality and I'm sure Ivan Clearly isn't lying around kicking stones and complaining and nor should you... I want the Tigers to be professional like the Storm.. recruit and develop like the Storm.. I want the Tigers to have a culture of excellence.. not a whinging ,... complaining.. someone else's fault.. blah blah.. point is.. Tigers have been hopeless in lots of areas that have nothing to do with with other clubs.

Have been a little confused lately as Balmain Boy had been reading a bit differently to my normal expectation, and today with the above quoting of BalmainBoy I can now understand why.

You have to be playing (registered) at a club to be in the top twenty five, not just getting paid part of your salary by them. Farah is in the bunnies top twenty five, just as Moses changed to the eels roster the day he was released and opened a spot in ours.

As of today, the top squads will now remain the same until the end of the year as the transfer window is closed.

An interesting point - Moses moves straight in to Parras top 25 - who was the player that made way for him and how did they do it - i'm pretty sure whoever was no. 25 can't just be dropped back and counted as a second tier contract for the remainder of the season - i'm guessing its Beau Scott he replaced if they left his spot open.

 

[smoking_gun]

Keep in mind that tigers had paid Moses salary from November to when he left so in reality parra might only be paying 200k for him for the remainder of this year. And most clubs do have a "buffer" in their spenditure for cases where injury may force them to make a mid season signing

 

[Pawsandclaws]

There are a few comments floating around about Austin. It may be related to the Raiders' poor form but it is interesting because of his early departure from WTs to move to the ACT. Has anyone heard rumblings?

Wouldn't surprise me if he was on the outer at Canberra. Leilua was caught on camera during the Broncos game unloading on him for bombing a try due to him being a hog. He's probably the most selfish player I've ever seen. His outside men must hate his guts.

Yes he has always been more of a runner than ball player. I know Sezer is also receiving some backlash from fans due to what they perceive to be his limited attacking/running game.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Here's a fun fact, Roosters have lots of TPAs and we only have a few. Broncos have more TPAs thrown at them than they do players. One city clubs like that have such a ridiculous advantage. Geography and the connections the board have are the two deciding factors for TPAs.

**You're also confusing the 25 and the salary cap. None of those players are currently in our top 2**5\. Yes parts of players contracts like Farah and Sirro are included in our total cap, as was the portion of Simona/Moses' salary up until they left the club. None of these players are in the top 25 players 'at the club' . With Ballin retiring we're apparently getting an extra spot in our 25 and 200k of cap space.

We need to have 25 players in the cap outside of those guys and then we get into the 2nd tier.

The Tigers problems come from poor recruitment retention mainly from several years ago, for which this season is the last of ridiculous over inflated contracts given to juniors and others. Grant Mayer really did almost kill this club.

no I am not… ALL of those players are in the top tier 25 .. Every.. single.. one... 100% guarantee.. 100% certain.. 100% without doubt.. All of these players contributed to the 2017 Salary Cap! that is the issue.. and that is the fundamental reason why the Tigers stink... Blame the Roosters and geography all you want.. but Tigers won't improve with that mentality and I'm sure Ivan Clearly isn't lying around kicking stones and complaining and nor should you... I want the Tigers to be professional like the Storm.. recruit and develop like the Storm.. I want the Tigers to have a culture of excellence.. not a whinging ,... complaining.. someone else's fault.. blah blah.. point is.. Tigers have been hopeless in lots of areas that have nothing to do with with other clubs.

Have been a little confused lately as Balmain Boy had been reading a bit differently to my normal expectation, and today with the above quoting of BalmainBoy I can now understand why.

You have to be playing (registered) at a club to be in the top twenty five, not just getting paid part of your salary by them. Farah is in the bunnies top twenty five, just as Moses changed to the eels roster the day he was released and opened a spot in ours.

As of today, the top squads will now remain the same until the end of the year as the transfer window is closed.

An interesting point - Moses moves straight in to Parras top 25 - who was the player that made way for him and how did they do it - i'm pretty sure whoever was no. 25 can't just be dropped back and counted as a second tier contract for the remainder of the season - i'm guessing its Beau Scott he replaced if they left his spot open.

The top squad is based on the dollar value of the contracts, so the lowest value one drops back to second tier for the rest of the year as the squad is no longer fluid post June thirty. Don't know exactly how it works when the potential bonuses etc come into it, and those often alter the final cap position at seasons end, but that is the basic premise.

 

[macca84]

Here's a fun fact, Roosters have lots of TPAs and we only have a few. Broncos have more TPAs thrown at them than they do players. One city clubs like that have such a ridiculous advantage. Geography and the connections the board have are the two deciding factors for TPAs.

**You're also confusing the 25 and the salary cap. None of those players are currently in our top 2**5\. Yes parts of players contracts like Farah and Sirro are included in our total cap, as was the portion of Simona/Moses' salary up until they left the club. None of these players are in the top 25 players 'at the club' . With Ballin retiring we're apparently getting an extra spot in our 25 and 200k of cap space.

We need to have 25 players in the cap outside of those guys and then we get into the 2nd tier.

The Tigers problems come from poor recruitment retention mainly from several years ago, for which this season is the last of ridiculous over inflated contracts given to juniors and others. Grant Mayer really did almost kill this club.

no I am not… ALL of those players are in the top tier 25 .. Every.. single.. one... 100% guarantee.. 100% certain.. 100% without doubt.. All of these players contributed to the 2017 Salary Cap! that is the issue.. and that is the fundamental reason why the Tigers stink... Blame the Roosters and geography all you want.. but Tigers won't improve with that mentality and I'm sure Ivan Clearly isn't lying around kicking stones and complaining and nor should you... I want the Tigers to be professional like the Storm.. recruit and develop like the Storm.. I want the Tigers to have a culture of excellence.. not a whinging ,... complaining.. someone else's fault.. blah blah.. point is.. Tigers have been hopeless in lots of areas that have nothing to do with with other clubs.

Have been a little confused lately as Balmain Boy had been reading a bit differently to my normal expectation, and today with the above quoting of BalmainBoy I can now understand why.

You have to be playing (registered) at a club to be in the top twenty five, not just getting paid part of your salary by them. Farah is in the bunnies top twenty five, just as Moses changed to the eels roster the day he was released and opened a spot in ours.

As of today, the top squads will now remain the same until the end of the year as the transfer window is closed.

An interesting point - Moses moves straight in to Parras top 25 - who was the player that made way for him and how did they do it - i'm pretty sure whoever was no. 25 can't just be dropped back and counted as a second tier contract for the remainder of the season - i'm guessing its Beau Scott he replaced if they left his spot open.

It wasn't Beau Scott. It was James Hassoon, who went to Salford I think. He wasn't getting a go and was taking up a spot in the top 25.

 

[851]

Based on above we will have room for another 7 assuming Grant leaves and ET extends. If we land Watson & Rona we will have cap room for another 5 players.
I would look at 2 props (Vete, Ofehengaue) 2 backrowers (Boyle, B Thompson) and a centre (Roberts)

That would be a solid squad.

Keep in mind that's assuming that ALL our signings are top 30\. This may not be the case and pending future signings, some of these signings might actually be second tier.

The whole point of having a top 30 is to reduce the need for a second tier, which would be more for juniors. So any of these players could play without issues with the cap. All of these signings would be top 30.

So is there no second tier at all from next year? You need more than 30 players to fill two full teams. So there must be some allowance outside the top 30?

There is a story today in the tele about the NRL agreeing to a cap rise to 10 million by 2022, and 9.5 million next year. We might not get any bargain fire sale players, the sitting and waiting might not work

 

[Sabre]

Anyone heard anymore about what Sandor Earl is doing?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Anyone heard anymore about what Sandor Earl is doing?

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