Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[851]

Good to see in the paper that Josh Reynolds has made a few more million on investment properties and has apparently found a new love. Thus no need at all to take up UK SL offers..............

Just our luck.

All jokes aside, but him leaving would have changed our entire club and allowed two really good signings. He is entitled to his money, but now that the whole "great clubman" myth has been exposed it is going to be fairly galling watching him begrudgingly sit on the sidelines for another 12 months collecting his 700-800 grand.

He has been an absolute disastrous signing. By FAR our worst as he is going to ride out the whole four years...at least Blair jumped ship.

Have we ever signed a player from the Dogs that has turned out to be a great signing?

Canterbury got Suli, Woods, Sue and JMK off us, they are probably saying the same

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Good to see in the paper that Josh Reynolds has made a few more million on investment properties and has apparently found a new love. Thus no need at all to take up UK SL offers..............

Just our luck.

All jokes aside, but him leaving would have changed our entire club and allowed two really good signings. He is entitled to his money, but now that the whole "great clubman" myth has been exposed it is going to be fairly galling watching him begrudgingly sit on the sidelines for another 12 months collecting his 700-800 grand.

He has been an absolute disastrous signing. By FAR our worst as he is going to ride out the whole four years...at least Blair jumped ship.

Have we ever signed a player from the Dogs that has turned out to be a great signing?

Canterbury got Suli, Woods, Sue and JMK off us, they are probably saying the same

Tapau , Gavet , Talau . Just off the top of my head

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Tedesco won a Rorters' award and Channel 10 news included him saying the Rorters are the best club in the world.

I read Papanhuyzen said the same thing about the Storm..

Are you trying to derail a thread? Off to the naughty corner.

 

[Aubanon]

Kinda wonder what would have been had Benji not returned after Josh's signing.

If I'm Josh, I'm dirty on Ivan who recruited him to play a role for the team only to recruit another high profile player to play the same position.

No doubt this has knocked his confidence around but to his credit he's always been a clubmen when in the press.

In saying that $700k is a decent motivator to put a smile on my dial.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Kinda wonder what would have been had Benji not returned after Josh's signing.

If I'm Josh, I'm dirty on Ivan who recruited him to play a role for the team only to recruit another high profile player to play the same position.

No doubt this has knocked his confidence around but to his credit he's always been a clubmen when in the press.

In saying that $700k is a decent motivator to put a smile on my dial.

If you go back to the start of 2018, Benji was supposed to be the backup. Reynolds was named 5/8 round 1 and pulled out the morning of the game and was out for weeks, and only played 5 games for the season. He was on the back foot from the get go. Then he vowed to play every game in 2019 and only played 7. Benji had a lot of time to cement himself.

 

[ElleryHanley]

He is entitled to his money, but now that the whole “great clubman” myth has been exposed

"He is entitled to his money, but now that the whole “great clubman” myth has been exposed'

Why has he been exposed....

Because he doesn't want to move on to England (who would)?
Because he wants the money he is entitles to?
Because he is ready to play any time Madge picks him?
Because he will play any position the clubs wants him to play?

Think you are being a tad harsh on him myself.

He left mid game...

He did not attend a few club functions...

He had a fairly obvious sook last month when left out.

For the wage he is earning, he should at least sit through the games and cheer them on. "It was cold"...........

 

[Harvey]

Either way, we are stuck with Josh, Packer and Mbye...

The official cap is 9.5 million...those three staying means we are playing with 7 million vs the rest of the NRL plus their 'contribution'. Mbye at least plays most games, but all three combined contribute probably 500 000 worth to the roster.

So, basically, we are playing with a 7.5 million dollar squad vs fully loaded teams.

NRL outcasts: The 16 unwanted stars stuck in rugby league contract limbo

Matt Moylan’s manager has revealed the current predicament facing his client and 16 other unwanted stars, detailing his blunt dealings with Wests Tigers. See the full list of ‘outcasts’ here.
Phil Rothfield, Sports Editor-at-Large, News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
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October 14, 2020 6:21pm

These are the NRL’s unwanted 16 stars who are up for sale; eight of them State of Origin players and six of them Test footballers on contracts worth more than $10 million.

Poor form, off-field issues and injuries have contributed to them becoming rugby league outcasts.

These are some of the biggest names in the game.

A handful of clubs that might be interested in picking them up on reduced rates are being held back by the uncertainty over the salary cap for next year and beyond.

Also, many clubs are trying to move on their own players before the cap space becomes available to go shopping for the “outcasts”.

The Wests Tigers have let it be known they will contribute substantially if any of their rivals want Josh Reynolds, Moses Mbye or Russell Packer to free up $2.4 million in their cap. Yet there have been no bites.

Matt Moylan’s manager, veteran agent Allan Gainey, has been on the lookout for a new club for months.

The 29-year-old has played only 19 games in the past two years because of injuries.

“I thought there would be a couple of possibilities but every club is in the same situation,” Gainey said.

“They are nearly all trying to move on players before they look at others. Everyone’s on hold.

“There might be a spot at the Wests Tigers for Matt but not until they can move Josh Reynolds or the others they are trying to shop.”

Gainey spoke to Cronulla CEO Dino Mezzatesta about Moylan’s case on Tuesday.

It doesn’t help that Moylan has a reputation from his Penrith days around his commitment.

“I told Dino I’ve been doing my best but nothing’s happening,” Gainey said.

“I’ve pulled out all stops, seriously.

“Look, Matt wants to prove a point. He’s really popular around the group at Cronulla and it would be hard for him to leave but I’ve been trying.”

Cronulla would even contribute $400,000 if there was a taker.

It’s not just Moylan at the Sharks. They started shopping Josh Dugan last season, two years before his contract was up. Andrew Fifita still has two years to run on his contract.

They were all deals coach John Morris inherited from previous coach Shane Flanagan.

Kevvie Walters has the same issues at the Broncos.
NRL OUTCASTS

BRONCOS
- Jack Bird (2021): $975,000
- Matt Lodge (2022): $650,000
- Brodie Croft (2021): $450,000
- Joe Ofahengaue (2022): $500,000

SHARKS
- Matt Moylan (2021) : $850,000
- Josh Dugan (2021) : $850,000
- Andrew Fifita (2022) : $850,000

TIGERS
- Josh Reynolds (2021): $850,000
- Russell Packer (2021): $750,000
- Moses Mbye (2022): $815,000

COWBOYS
- Josh McGuire (2022): $650,000
- Jake Granville (2021) $400,000

RABBITOHS
- James Roberts (2021) $550,000

DRAGONS
- Corey Norman (2021): $850,000

PANTHERS
- Dean Whare (2022): $460,000

ROOSTERS
- Kyle Flanagan (2021): $280,000

Jack Bird is on a ridiculous $975,000 next year. He has played only 17 games in two seasons at the Broncos. Plus Walters want to offload Matt Lodge.

The Cowboys are prepared to release tough middle forward Josh McGuire to St George Illawarra yet they can’t agree on a deal. The Dragons can only squeeze him into the cap if the Cowboys pay half.

Even the opportunities to place players in the UK Super League are no longer there.

“There’s not much happening in England at all,” player agent Steve Gillis said. “It’s the most quiet I’ve ever experienced in these unprecedented times.

“Normally with their promotion and relegation system, things become a bit frantic as clubs try to stay in Super League or climb up from division one.

“This year there’s no promotion and relegation. There’s no urgency to improve their rosters. Plus there’s COVID. A lot of the club are in serious financial trouble from no crowds and sponsorship dwindling.”

One of the common themes of the four preliminary final teams is that they’ve been careful not to throw the type of crazy money at stars that will come back to bite them.

Only James Roberts ($550,000) at the Rabbitohs and Dean Whare ($460,000) at the Panthers make our list.

It was one of Phil Gould’s strengths as general manager of football at the Penrith Panthers to move on unwanted players.

In 2018, Trent Merrin wasn’t justifying his $800,000 price tag at the Panthers.

Gould told him he was no longer required and he left for the UK.

He also convinced veteran five-eighth James Maloney to leave a year early to use his contract money for the next generation of Panthers who have come through so spectacularly this year.

Why keep Maloney with Jarome Luai and Matt Burton banging on the door for first grade?

Ricky Stuart was good at it, too.

There was the famous story in 2007 at Cronulla when Stuart inherited Queensland Origin centre Josh Hannay on a $150,000-a-year contract and halfback Brett Seymour.

Stuart wanted them out, the players wanted their money. To try to force them to go, Hannay was sent back to the park to play A-grade for the Gymea Gorillas. It was a long way from Suncorp Stadium in front of 40,000 fans to Corea Rd Oval in park footy in the Shire.

Seymour was dispatched to the ­Engadine Dragons.

Eventually they settled on departure packages.

These days it’s much harder and the RLPA wouldn’t allow it to happen.

As one manager said yesterday: “It’s not the players’ fault — it’s the clubs’. They’re now trying to clean up a mess they created themselves.”

 

[tony soprano]

Depressing

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I’d rather keep Mbye and Reynolds than take on Moylan 🤮

 

[cochise]

Either way, we are stuck with Josh, Packer and Mbye...

The official cap is 9.5 million...those three staying means we are playing with 7 million vs the rest of the NRL plus their 'contribution'. Mbye at least plays most games, but all three combined contribute probably 500 000 worth to the roster.

So, basically, we are playing with a 7.5 million dollar squad vs fully loaded teams.

It's much worse than that. Less successful clubs have to pay more for in demand players, more successful clubs pay less.

I would like a draft but a less dramatic option would be to have an auction for off contract players, the player can still choose where they go but that club has to pay the winning price. If the bidding gets too high a club can pull out and the player can choose between the remaining clubs.

The player can sign with their current club before their contract expires on Nov 1 or chose to go to auction. The player could set the length of the contract, teams would have to have the salary cap space free to pay if the player took their offer. I am sure it would need to be fine tuned but it would make everyone's salary cap worth the same amount.

It could be a week long off-season event with players going to auction one at a time.

I really don't like either of those ideas.

 

[ElleryHanley]

“There might be a spot at the Wests Tigers for Matt but not until they can move Josh Reynolds or the others they are trying to shop.”

What the? Are we mad. Moylan is completely broken down.

 

[Geo]

“There might be a spot at the Wests Tigers for Matt but not until they can move Josh Reynolds or the others they are trying to shop.”

What the? Are we mad. Moylan is completely broken down.

Not even interested...

 

[finnzo]

He is probably just speculating

 

[jrtiger]

over $3m tied up in Reynolds, Packer, M'Bye and Leilua. imagine if we manage to spend that money properly in 2022 and beyond.

 

[izotope]

“There might be a spot at the Wests Tigers for Matt but not until they can move Josh Reynolds or the others they are trying to shop.”

What the? Are we mad. Moylan is completely broken down.

Surely a throw away line

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I’d rather keep Mbye and Reynolds than take on Moylan 🤮

Lol , just cause his manager wants it ,Doesn’t mean the tigers do . We literally clear 1.6mil next year , potentially 2.2 if Joey continues to play like a dud.
Why would we take on salary when we are trying to clear it .

 

[HabboTiger]

There was a three-year deal with them on offer and I would have done the deal with the Tigers if the Broncos were up front with me and told me they were going to sack me for 2019.

“I gave my word I was staying at the Broncos and I intended to honour my final 12 months, so that’s why I knocked back the Tigers.

We thought we had Wayne...

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/wayne-bennett-breaks-silence-on-handshake-deal-with-phil-gould/news-story/c98b3b131d72c13f5c360d44e6cdf258

 

[jrtiger]

There was a three-year deal with them on offer and I would have done the deal with the Tigers if the Broncos were up front with me and told me they were going to sack me for 2019.

“I gave my word I was staying at the Broncos and I intended to honour my final 12 months, so that’s why I knocked back the Tigers.

We thought we had Wayne...

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/wayne-bennett-breaks-silence-on-handshake-deal-with-phil-gould/news-story/c98b3b131d72c13f5c360d44e6cdf258

thanks Wayne, but it's over now. move on. Madge is our future.

 

[hsvjones]

detailing his blunt dealings with Wests Tigers

In the Heading it has **"detailing his blunt dealings with Wests Tigers"**

Where is that and why is this in the heading... Just another way to get people to read it i suppose.. (not having a go at your Harvey either as you just posted it :+1: )

 

[Russell]

He is entitled to his money, but now that the whole “great clubman” myth has been exposed

"He is entitled to his money, but now that the whole “great clubman” myth has been exposed'

Why has he been exposed....

Because he doesn't want to move on to England (who would)?
Because he wants the money he is entitles to?
Because he is ready to play any time Madge picks him?
Because he will play any position the clubs wants him to play?

Think you are being a tad harsh on him myself.

Nup...because he clearly isnt wanted by the club,but puts his own financial needs above that.
We will probably be his last paycheck,so most wld do the same...but at the end of the day its still all about him

The one answer to that is - he has a contract.

Everyone jumps up and down because of the Tanker and Sooky Boy not wanting to honour their contracts.
However you jump up and down because Reynolds wants to honour his.