Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[avocadoontoast]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.


JAC is going from an origin standard spine to JMK and two rookies. I think his chances will be extremely limited but yes he is the best winger in the game

Kyle Flanagan played behind a good forward pack and still struggled

But that's not the point. You said they spent $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half and i'm saying that's not right. They might have overpaid for Cotric but I don't think they overpaid for JAC, Burton or Flanagan. I have no idea what the Allen deal is so won't speculate.

 

[Speed2burn]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.


I really don't see it. Still a good hooker and couple of forwards short

Barrett just seems trigger happy to me

They've got 12 months to sort that out.

And they have tied up over 2 mil on 2 wingers and an unproven halfback

Up the doggies.

You say that, but let's look at it realistically.


- Cotric will be playing centre, he's on $650 apparently. Overpriced perhaps, but we can hardly laugh at them when we have BJ on similar. On 2020 form BJ is worth about $2.

- Addo Carr is on rumoured $600k. That's going to be about $100k more than Nofo is rumoured to re-sign for but Addo-Carr is an elite winger in the NRL.

- Burton is rumoured to have signed on $450k per season and is an absolute gun.

- Flanagan was reported by Brent Read to have signed with Bulldogs for $350k per season (of which the Roosters are picking up a huge chunk of 2021) and in 2020 outperformed Brooks in pretty much every stat that matters for a half. He's also an 80% goal kicker.

So it's not $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half. It's $2m on a centre, the best winger in the game and a new halves pairing.


JAC is going from an origin standard spine to JMK and two rookies. I think his chances will be extremely limited but yes he is the best winger in the game

Kyle Flanagan played behind a good forward pack and still struggled

But that's not the point. You said they spent $2m on 2 wingers and an unproven half and i'm saying that's not right. They might have overpaid for Cotric but I don't think they overpaid for JAC, Burton or Flanagan. I have no idea what the Allen deal is so won't speculate.

The 2mil was a rounded up estimate. I’m sure it’s close enough without going into the nitty gritty

All this talk about dogs signing outside backs maybe one of them will come onto the market. I’d possibly chase Averillo or Meaney

 

[jirskyr]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Allan is a fullback.... Burton and Flanagan in the halves. Cotric and JAC on the edges. Thompson and Hetherington in the middle. They still have to improve their pack but they’re shaping their squad very nicely

Their biggest weakness is Trent Barrett... he’s no head coach.

Allan is a mug. Burton is 2022. Flanagan - OK but failed at Roosters. Hetherington is fringe FG. Luke Thompson yet to prove he has what it takes at NRL level.

I honestly think these are generally poor signings and in the same vein as Tigers circa Ivan Cleary, lots of risk vs dollar value.

Bulldogs biggest issue past few years is direction around the park and consistent go-forward. They've done very little to address this and as far as I am aware haven't got a particularly good juniors pipeline at the moment either.

 

[BermiTiger]

The Dogs had the Morris twins and were awful. Spending big on a bunch of outside backs is not how you win this comp. Expect them to continue to finish 8th to 14th for the next 4 years

Dogs were actually competitive for large chunks of games last year but couldn’t score points, I’d say they are filling needs with NRL proven players or ones that look like they have upside (Burton/Hetherington). Honestly I think they’ll push for top 4 maybe miss due to a lack of a hooker.

Do you honestly think the dogs will push for top 4 in 2021?!

No chance. They won't make the 8. They may get close to the 8 in 2021 when JAC and Burton join the team.

Cotric and Allen are upgrades and Flanagan will give them direction. Their pack is NRL standard. I have them 4th-9th. If they miss it’ll be due to Marshall-King at hooker.

The best club of the last decade, moved Flanagan on, so why do you think he will shine in a bottom 2 team?

Allen was moved on, why was that?

There forwards got to an inch of the spoon only because the Bronc’s were the worst ever.

I think they will struggle. Then watch the club implode at board level blaming everyone for the debacle. Barrett will be lucky to last 2 seasons if this happens.

I think until their in fighting is sorted out at the board level it will be more of the same for the Dogs.

 

[Telltails]

Under the circumstances we have recruited pretty well but let's not pretend that we wouldn't be as excited as the Bulldogs fans if we had JAC Cotric Hetherington Flannagan and Burton coming our way. Barretts job now to get results on the field.

 

[JayT]

I think Dogs have managed to do very well.

 

[jirskyr]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

JAC is the only one I wanted here. The rest are ok or un proven.

Seems that they're spending their entire xap in the first year and the digs will have these guys locked in for 3 years.

If they dont do well they might struggle again..

I would have taken Flanagan and Cotirc aswell. Theres nothing wrong with building for the immediate team/season.

We are taking a different recruitment strategy to them.

We tried to sign JAC and Burton and missed out lol. They quite simply beat us in that regard. We’ve still done well this off season but would’ve been nice to sign some top quality players

James Tamou, James Roberts, Joe Offa say hi.

Jimmy is a risk but there's no doubting his quality.

 

[jirskyr]

The Dogs had the Morris twins and were awful. Spending big on a bunch of outside backs is not how you win this comp. Expect them to continue to finish 8th to 14th for the next 4 years

Dogs were actually competitive for large chunks of games last year but couldn’t score points, I’d say they are filling needs with NRL proven players or ones that look like they have upside (Burton/Hetherington). Honestly I think they’ll push for top 4 maybe miss due to a lack of a hooker.

Do you honestly think the dogs will push for top 4 in 2021?!

No chance. They won't make the 8. They may get close to the 8 in 2021 when JAC and Burton join the team.

Cotric and Allen are upgrades and Flanagan will give them direction. Their pack is NRL standard. I have them 4th-9th. If they miss it’ll be due to Marshall-King at hooker.

How you have the dogs as high as 4th is beyond me. Cotric is an uograde but hel be out of position. Allen isnt any better than what they have. Is this the same Flanagan that couldnt give direction last year? They have massive holes everywhere. Burton sounds the goods but thats next year. If they make it 10-12th they are overachieving.

That's my point also. Flanagan failed in a star-studded Roosters side where Keary did the attacking work and they mostly wanted him to steer and kick.

In fairness to Flanagan I didn't think he was so bad to be dropped, but Roosters obv have different expectations.

But at Dogs Flanagan will be going mostly solo, because I have no idea who they are going to partner him with, because for all the talk of Burton, he's still a year away. Who is otherwise left - Lewis? Cogger?

Teams are going to swarm Flanagan and he's not going to manage if he couldn't perform with Keary and Tedesco.

 

[jirskyr]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Dogs are looking great for a 12th place finish

Maybe in 2021 but they will be very competitive in 2022.

Is this the same as Tigers' "always next year?"

I am sure Doggies fans will be heartened to know they may have a shot of being competitive in 14-15 months.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

They already have DWZ and Hoppa on thier books . That’s over a 1.3 mil right there and another 2-3 years left on thier contracts . Here’s the thing with those 2 . They’re not 600k players but they’re both above average players .

 

[JC99]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Allan is a fullback.... Burton and Flanagan in the halves. Cotric and JAC on the edges. Thompson and Hetherington in the middle. They still have to improve their pack but they’re shaping their squad very nicely

Their biggest weakness is Trent Barrett... he’s no head coach.

Allan is a mug. Burton is 2022. Flanagan - OK but failed at Roosters. Hetherington is fringe FG. Luke Thompson yet to prove he has what it takes at NRL level.

I honestly think these are generally poor signings and in the same vein as Tigers circa Ivan Cleary, lots of risk vs dollar value.

Bulldogs biggest issue past few years is direction around the park and consistent go-forward. They've done very little to address this and as far as I am aware haven't got a particularly good juniors pipeline at the moment either.

Allan is a solid fullback. Burton is 2022 yea but you said they have no halves but they’ve already signed two. Flanagan was made a scapegoat at roosters, he did fine.

They’ve signed well, doesn’t mean they’ll become a premiership threat but on paper for 2022 their team is looking nice. They need a few better forwards but Hetherington looks solid and Thompson will come good he’s a beast.

 

[JC99]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

JAC is the only one I wanted here. The rest are ok or un proven.

Seems that they're spending their entire xap in the first year and the digs will have these guys locked in for 3 years.

If they dont do well they might struggle again..

I would have taken Flanagan and Cotirc aswell. Theres nothing wrong with building for the immediate team/season.

We are taking a different recruitment strategy to them.

We tried to sign JAC and Burton and missed out lol. They quite simply beat us in that regard. We’ve still done well this off season but would’ve been nice to sign some top quality players

James Tamou, James Roberts, Joe Offa say hi.

Jimmy is a risk but there's no doubting his quality.

Roberts who can’t stay on the field, Offa who was awful last year. Tamou is solid but ageing. They’re not bad signings and they could definitely come good but you can’t say they’re big name signings like JAC and Cotric

 

[Spartan117]

Madge and Hartigan signing all of these talented young guys is great but at the end of the day it’s a lucky dip. They are hoping one or two develop into good first graders, maybe rep players.

My worry is they eventually let the wrong ones go... again.

I share your worries,but Hartigan appears to hold the recruitment reins,and in a short time has shown that favouritism has no place in the game,as well he plans ahead.He won't be perfect but he's one of the best in the game.

Our recruitment policy seems to be heavily flavouring a strong attitude to hard work which is the greatest asset to the creation of a consistent and successful team.

This approach is exactly what we need.

 

[happy_tiger]

Madge and Hartigan signing all of these talented young guys is great but at the end of the day it’s a lucky dip. They are hoping one or two develop into good first graders, maybe rep players.

My worry is they eventually let the wrong ones go... again.

I share your worries,but Hartigan appears to hold the recruitment reins,and in a short time has shown that favouritism has no place in the game,as well he plans ahead.He won't be perfect but he's one of the best in the game.



Our recruitment policy seems to be heavily flavouring a strong attitude to hard work which is the greatest asset to the creation of a consistent and successful team.

This approach is exactly what we need.

We just need a couple of players to pull it all together now ......it's not favourable ...but it could be worth it ......throw the sink at Angus Crichton for 2022 ...even go up to 150 k overs for him

 

[clontarfkid]

They already have DWZ and Hoppa on thier books . That’s over a 1.3 mil right there and another 2-3 years left on thier contracts . Here’s the thing with those 2 . They’re not 600k players but they’re both above average players .

Hoppa is Mybe 2.0..no more..no less.PLays everywher ok,but nothing special,particularly for the $$
DWZ was less than NRL standard last year...Barret mite spark him up,but he looked disinterested.I thought he wldve been a good buy...

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Corey Allen to dogs 3 yrs.effective immediately.channel 7 reporter on Twitter.how do I post from there?Michelle bishop is the reporter

They needed a fullback. They’ve got lots of outside backs but most are average and will probably be let go. It’s a nice looking squad they’ve got for 2022, they need a hooker and some forwards though.

they will either get Cheese or Liddle if they want a cheaper option

 

[tony soprano]

What do Souths do if latrell goes down, don’t souths have heaps of wingers anyway

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.

Allan is a fullback.... Burton and Flanagan in the halves. Cotric and JAC on the edges. Thompson and Hetherington in the middle. They still have to improve their pack but they’re shaping their squad very nicely

Their biggest weakness is Trent Barrett... he’s no head coach.

Allan is a mug. Burton is 2022. Flanagan - OK but failed at Roosters. Hetherington is fringe FG. Luke Thompson yet to prove he has what it takes at NRL level.

I honestly think these are generally poor signings and in the same vein as Tigers circa Ivan Cleary, lots of risk vs dollar value.

Bulldogs biggest issue past few years is direction around the park and consistent go-forward. They've done very little to address this and as far as I am aware haven't got a particularly good juniors pipeline at the moment either.

Allan is a solid fullback. Burton is 2022 yea but you said they have no halves but they’ve already signed two. Flanagan was made a scapegoat at roosters, he did fine.

They’ve signed well, doesn’t mean they’ll become a premiership threat but on paper for 2022 their team is looking nice. They need a few better forwards but Hetherington looks solid and Thompson will come good he’s a beast.

if Flannagan couldn't get it done at the Roosters he doesn't have a hope of success leading the dogs

 

[sleeve]

I think Dogs have managed to do very well.

Tigers have picked up some quality players at minimum cost.They have spent well and still have plenty $ for this year and a big war chest for 2022.The 2 big signings for the Dogs are for 2022.To compare only look at this years players .The Tigers have a massive yet unspent war chest to buy key players this yr and the next ;WE HAVE NOT BEGUN TO ROAR,we are only at the beginning of our recruitment.DOGS at the end of theirs,.

 

[twentyforty]

Dogs recruiting better than us.

They are just recruiting players with little upside and for high prices.

The three origin backs have little upside?

Basically three Origin wingers. If Dogs can sign up Tupou they'll have the box set, shame about their halves, hooker, fullback, centres and forwards.


And they are paying top dollar for those wingers. It’s a high risk play imo. What do they do when/if they realise none of those wingers are fullbacks? ?

Cotric will play centre, Allen will play fullback and Addo Carr is the best winger in the comp. Burton is a huge signing. As much as the Tigers goggles are preventing everyone from seeing it, the Dogs are actually building nicely. Add a good hooker and they're looking pretty good.

Avo, they’re looking “better,” particularly if the new guys perform according to expectations. My point was they’re paying overs. No doubt about JAC being a talent but $650k for a winger on a long term deal? I thought we were right to offer slightly over $500k.