Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion
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newtiger
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GNR4LIFE
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You're talking in terms of up till June 30 next year. We can't not fill up our squad now because a player might come up as a potential mid season signing in round 5.
Idris had left and won't be coming back..
GNR4LIFE
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The squad will need to be finalised by the time they start pre season training.
I read this Adrian Proszenko article back in April.
I haven't seen anything since to suggest otherwise but this states that it is up to the club to leave or fill some or all 30 of their roster spots.
The number of Mitchell Moses-style in-season transfers will be reduced significantly as the NRL moves towards a rostering system that makes it harder for clubs to trade out players from next year.
Fairfax Media can reveal the NRL and the Rugby League Players' Association are close to signing off on a deal that will result in clubs committing to an expanded squad for 2018\. The exact number is yet to be determined, although the parties are considering the prospect of up to 30 players comprising a "first-grade list".
In addition to the top 30, squads can be bolstered by six "supplementary list" players. These are seen as players on the fringe of the top squad and can be played in the Intrust Super Premiership or age-group competitions. They would likely be bound by a separate salary cap with stipulations around minimum and maximum wages.
The increase from a 25-man squad will provide teams with more flexibility in their roster management and is expected to reduce the number of trades during the regular season. Under the current proposal, clubs will have until round 10 to finalise their top squads, although there will remain the ability for movement in limited circumstances before June 30.
The new system will allow head coaches to potentially keep some roster spots open during the opening 10 rounds, giving them a chance to evaluate their lists and then bring a player in from the supplementary list or another club or code if they have the salary cap space to do so.
As an example, a club could start the season committed to 29 players, leaving one spot open and $500,000 free in their salary cap. If a rival club was prepared to release a player they were interested in, they could use their available funds to recruit him or engage in a straight swap if they were also looking to offload someone. It would be expected that any horse-trading would be done before round 10, giving the clubs and fans more certainty about their roster for the remainder of the season.
Rostering changes could only be made if there is salary cap compliance. Given it is expected most clubs will leave limited salary-cap space available to spend on fringe players they trial early in the season before locking in their lists, it is likely less big names will move during the season under the new system.
It is expected that teams will continue to invest in the development of supplementary listed players as they could be called up to first grade if there were injuries via a system that effectively replaces the second-tier cap. If, for instance, the two specialist halfbacks in a club's top squad were injured, they could seek permission to bring up a No.7 from the supplementary list. While the finer details are still being thrashed out, it is likely a supplementary player could move into a top-30 spot before the deadline.
It is expected teams will register a list of 26 players by November 1, an expanded squad by March 1 and that their first-grade and supplementary lists will be finalised by May 1.
The system will give fans and rival teams a better grasp of which players are contracted and which are genuine free agents. It also means clubs won't be able to pluck players out of obscurity to hand them an NRL debut, as was the case when Malakai Watene-Zelezniak was thrown into the fray after Panthers trio Matt Moylan, Waqa Blake and Peta Hiku were dropped for disciplinary reasons.
Currently, players who are on base wages, sometimes as low as $10,000, can be thrown into first grade. It is hoped the new collective bargaining agreement will ensure those in contention for NRL honours are paid a genuine minimum wage and receive the welfare benefits commensurate with that status.
Under the original "Platinum League" proposal drafted by Shane Richardson, the NRL's former head of game strategy and development, there were tight controls on the number of rookies each team could have and how much they could got paid. That plan, which allowed teams six rookies each, has effectively been torn up, with clubs permitted to sign as many as they are prepared to pay.
However, the fact they will need to fit them under a salary cap and within a fixed list of first-graders will ensure there is enough competitive tension to prevent clubs from stockpiling promising youngsters.
The NRL and the RLPA acknowledge the current free-market system is disruptive for fans, players and clubs.
Moses is in the bizarre situation where he will play for Wests Tigers against Parramatta on Monday and then potentially switch to the Eels as soon as Tuesday. The proposed changes will likely result in coaches persisting with the players they have originally selected in their squads.
"It's a better structure, better preparation and better for the fans, who know who their teams are," said the NRL's head of football, Brian Canavan. "In the rare cases such as Mitch Moses, if perchance he does move on, you don't want too many of them. We want to decrease the number of those so we can be more settled."
It is understood the contracting system discussions between the NRL and RLPA could sit outside the CBA negotiations. "We have been working through a really productive process with the NRL and industry stakeholders to deliver a new contracting system for 2017," RLPA boss Ian Prendergast said. "The new system will better reflect the professionalism of the game and ensure all NRL players are fairly remunerated and supported based on their contribution, whilst protecting the competitive balance of the NRL and providing clubs with the flexibility they need to effectively manage their playing lists throughout the season."
I haven't seen anything since to suggest otherwise but this states that it is up to the club to leave or fill some or all 30 of their roster spots.
The number of Mitchell Moses-style in-season transfers will be reduced significantly as the NRL moves towards a rostering system that makes it harder for clubs to trade out players from next year.
Fairfax Media can reveal the NRL and the Rugby League Players' Association are close to signing off on a deal that will result in clubs committing to an expanded squad for 2018\. The exact number is yet to be determined, although the parties are considering the prospect of up to 30 players comprising a "first-grade list".
In addition to the top 30, squads can be bolstered by six "supplementary list" players. These are seen as players on the fringe of the top squad and can be played in the Intrust Super Premiership or age-group competitions. They would likely be bound by a separate salary cap with stipulations around minimum and maximum wages.
The increase from a 25-man squad will provide teams with more flexibility in their roster management and is expected to reduce the number of trades during the regular season. Under the current proposal, clubs will have until round 10 to finalise their top squads, although there will remain the ability for movement in limited circumstances before June 30.
The new system will allow head coaches to potentially keep some roster spots open during the opening 10 rounds, giving them a chance to evaluate their lists and then bring a player in from the supplementary list or another club or code if they have the salary cap space to do so.
As an example, a club could start the season committed to 29 players, leaving one spot open and $500,000 free in their salary cap. If a rival club was prepared to release a player they were interested in, they could use their available funds to recruit him or engage in a straight swap if they were also looking to offload someone. It would be expected that any horse-trading would be done before round 10, giving the clubs and fans more certainty about their roster for the remainder of the season.
Rostering changes could only be made if there is salary cap compliance. Given it is expected most clubs will leave limited salary-cap space available to spend on fringe players they trial early in the season before locking in their lists, it is likely less big names will move during the season under the new system.
It is expected that teams will continue to invest in the development of supplementary listed players as they could be called up to first grade if there were injuries via a system that effectively replaces the second-tier cap. If, for instance, the two specialist halfbacks in a club's top squad were injured, they could seek permission to bring up a No.7 from the supplementary list. While the finer details are still being thrashed out, it is likely a supplementary player could move into a top-30 spot before the deadline.
It is expected teams will register a list of 26 players by November 1, an expanded squad by March 1 and that their first-grade and supplementary lists will be finalised by May 1.
The system will give fans and rival teams a better grasp of which players are contracted and which are genuine free agents. It also means clubs won't be able to pluck players out of obscurity to hand them an NRL debut, as was the case when Malakai Watene-Zelezniak was thrown into the fray after Panthers trio Matt Moylan, Waqa Blake and Peta Hiku were dropped for disciplinary reasons.
Currently, players who are on base wages, sometimes as low as $10,000, can be thrown into first grade. It is hoped the new collective bargaining agreement will ensure those in contention for NRL honours are paid a genuine minimum wage and receive the welfare benefits commensurate with that status.
Under the original "Platinum League" proposal drafted by Shane Richardson, the NRL's former head of game strategy and development, there were tight controls on the number of rookies each team could have and how much they could got paid. That plan, which allowed teams six rookies each, has effectively been torn up, with clubs permitted to sign as many as they are prepared to pay.
However, the fact they will need to fit them under a salary cap and within a fixed list of first-graders will ensure there is enough competitive tension to prevent clubs from stockpiling promising youngsters.
The NRL and the RLPA acknowledge the current free-market system is disruptive for fans, players and clubs.
Moses is in the bizarre situation where he will play for Wests Tigers against Parramatta on Monday and then potentially switch to the Eels as soon as Tuesday. The proposed changes will likely result in coaches persisting with the players they have originally selected in their squads.
"It's a better structure, better preparation and better for the fans, who know who their teams are," said the NRL's head of football, Brian Canavan. "In the rare cases such as Mitch Moses, if perchance he does move on, you don't want too many of them. We want to decrease the number of those so we can be more settled."
It is understood the contracting system discussions between the NRL and RLPA could sit outside the CBA negotiations. "We have been working through a really productive process with the NRL and industry stakeholders to deliver a new contracting system for 2017," RLPA boss Ian Prendergast said. "The new system will better reflect the professionalism of the game and ensure all NRL players are fairly remunerated and supported based on their contribution, whilst protecting the competitive balance of the NRL and providing clubs with the flexibility they need to effectively manage their playing lists throughout the season."
Thanks Needaname. So if this is what ends up being agreed to, there's no need for us to fill a 30 man squad just yet.
On a side note, how outrageous is it that Richardson got paid a salary of $700k, only for him to come up with the ridiculous notion of a platinum league that got thrown out the door almost straight away.
On a side note, how outrageous is it that Richardson got paid a salary of $700k, only for him to come up with the ridiculous notion of a platinum league that got thrown out the door almost straight away.
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newtiger
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It's no wonder the NRL is broke!!
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Totally agreed on Teddy and Woods. They did prove that they were something. Whatever your view on Woods, be you think he is SOO gold or an average front rower. Woods has proven that he is first grade starting side material, worth somewhere between 400-950K. Teddy clearly proved himself on the field.
Moses and Brooks never proved themselves. They were "hot new talent". So we paid them 600K just to stay with us…. Now we have the spoilt brat syndrome in Moses, Brooks is still a "developing" talent and re-evaluated at 500k. Ofcourse both were promissing juniors and we wanted to keep them. But forking out 600k for "talent"... Dumb idea. Sadly other clubs were apparently willing to do the same.
Balmainbred
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Just had a look at Tyson Cleal footage on YouTube very impressed
goldcoast_tiger
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Missed a fair bit of the thread, but was someone saying that we should sign Idris.
I agree that it would be a massive waste of money, too slow( a plodder extreme) , and breaks with amazing regularity
May as well donate the money to charity.
Pawsandclaws
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If you read the Knights' forum, Rothfield ran with a story about a signing wanting out of the club and is prepared to forego $200k. Knights' fans believe it is Watson.
**Knights confirm host of player departures**
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The Newcastle Knights have confirmed a number of players who won’t be returning to the club in 2018.
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It’s well known that Dane Gagai has signed with the South Sydney Rabbitohs next season, along with the departures of Tyler Randell (Wakefield Trinity), Mickey Paea (Hull FC) and Joe Wardle (Castleford Tigers) all picking up deals clubs in the English Super League.
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Veteran Anthony Tupou has announced his retirement after a long career in the NRL, as well as forward Sam Matoara.
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Rory Kostjasyn has also been forced to retire after suffering a complex throat injury during a routine pre-season training session in January.
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“Retirement was a combination of medical advice and how my body was unable to adapt to a reduced airway,” Kostjasyn explained at the time.
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“It has by far been the most challenging six to seven months I’ve faced, not only in my career but in everyday life.
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“Unfortunately, it’s a challenge that I’ve been unable to overcome.”
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**The Knights have also confirmed the departure of a number of other players via the club website, with Jack Stockwell, Sam Matoara, Pauli Pauli and Jaelen Feeney all not returning next season.**
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The Newcastle Knights have confirmed a number of players who won’t be returning to the club in 2018.
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It’s well known that Dane Gagai has signed with the South Sydney Rabbitohs next season, along with the departures of Tyler Randell (Wakefield Trinity), Mickey Paea (Hull FC) and Joe Wardle (Castleford Tigers) all picking up deals clubs in the English Super League.
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Veteran Anthony Tupou has announced his retirement after a long career in the NRL, as well as forward Sam Matoara.
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Rory Kostjasyn has also been forced to retire after suffering a complex throat injury during a routine pre-season training session in January.
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“Retirement was a combination of medical advice and how my body was unable to adapt to a reduced airway,” Kostjasyn explained at the time.
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“It has by far been the most challenging six to seven months I’ve faced, not only in my career but in everyday life.
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“Unfortunately, it’s a challenge that I’ve been unable to overcome.”
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**The Knights have also confirmed the departure of a number of other players via the club website, with Jack Stockwell, Sam Matoara, Pauli Pauli and Jaelen Feeney all not returning next season.**
Pawsandclaws
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Stockwell has gone to Souths to replace Tyrell.
tiger05premier
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I think from memory that he dislocated a hip in a car accident in the pre season.
They were worried at the time he may struggle to recover from the injury
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newtiger
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He dislocated his hip in a car accident.
