Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Guest]

AJ is just not handling the top grade. I try not to look back but I see how well Corey is doing at Titans and kinda wish he was still on our left wing.

To me he looks ok with the ball in hand. He just needs to spend more time catching kicks and passes. I just rewatched the game and he's got something to work with if he can magically fix his hands.
The biggest problem at the moment is Garner's lack of contribution in attack. It's like the forwards are a man short.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Naden is off contract at the end of the year and the Tigers are willing to offer him another season on top of his current deal. At this stage the Panthers are reluctant to let him go. Thoughts?

 

[TYGA]

Naden is off contract at the end of the year and the Tigers are willing to offer him another season on top of his current deal. At this stage the Panthers are reluctant to let him go. Thoughts?

We should target Murray Tualagi, Daniel Tupou, Xavier Coates, Sebastian Kris in the outside backs. Tupou is the ideal left winger for Tigers tall weapon who can cover well defensively and finish.

 

[rihannafan1]

Naden is off contract at the end of the year and the Tigers are willing to offer him another season on top of his current deal. At this stage the Panthers are reluctant to let him go. Thoughts?

If he's cheap because he has issues then he's worth a flyer. That's why we'd be sniffing around. If he's costing us anything above 250-300k it's a big risk. We wouldn't be having this convo if AJ had human hands and not two pieces of stone in their place.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Theory....naden swap for kep...

take it if true

 

[WT2K]

Naden is off contract at the end of the year and the Tigers are willing to offer him another season on top of his current deal. At this stage the Panthers are reluctant to let him go. Thoughts?

If he's cheap because he has issues then he's worth a flyer. That's why we'd be sniffing around. If he's costing us anything above 250-300k it's a big risk. We wouldn't be having this convo if AJ had human hands and not two pieces of stone in their place.

Chammas article says he's on 200k

 

[Merlot]

no thanks

 

[Tcat]

Naden is off contract at the end of the year and the Tigers are willing to offer him another season on top of his current deal. At this stage the Panthers are reluctant to let him go. Thoughts?

We could offer a humble centre who claims to be the best in the game as a swap.

 

[izotope]

Take him for this year, anyone to get rid of Flippers. Id take beau ryan back

 

[jirskyr]

The Mole: Big-money Bulldogs favourites to sign gun Broncos centre Kotoni Staggs for 2022
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-bulldogs-kotoni-staggs/6ff9d09b-5d67-4f5f-980a-21917b27cdc6

That would be absurd. Literally half their cap on a handful of outside backs. Zero depth, average pack, average halves, and a whole lot of mercenaries on 700k+

Honestly they have recruited well.
The part that will fail them is Trent Barrett. He is another Jason Taylor although with people skills. But same sort of 1dimension planning that Siebold did at the Broncos

Their in meltdown over at the kennel and most of their anger is aimed at their new recruits Allan, Flanagan and Hetherington. There’s even a sack Trent Barrett thread lol.

If he thought things were tough at Manly he will need to develop coat of armour to survive at the Bulldogs till all his class imports arrive.

I spoke to Shawn Blore at The Ambush event yesterday, he said he's heard Barrett is a really good coach.

 

[jirskyr]

Tigers after Brent Naden for this year, likely to play on the wing according to Chammas

Oh boy. No doubt this kid has talent but I really question his head space and whether Madge can bring him in line.

James Roberts mark II.

 

[jirskyr]

The Mole: Big-money Bulldogs favourites to sign gun Broncos centre Kotoni Staggs for 2022
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-bulldogs-kotoni-staggs/6ff9d09b-5d67-4f5f-980a-21917b27cdc6

That would be absurd. Literally half their cap on a handful of outside backs. Zero depth, average pack, average halves, and a whole lot of mercenaries on 700k+

Honestly they have recruited well.
The part that will fail them is Trent Barrett. He is another Jason Taylor although with people skills. But same sort of 1dimension planning that Siebold did at the Broncos

Their in meltdown over at the kennel and most of their anger is aimed at their new recruits Allan, Flanagan and Hetherington. There’s even a sack Trent Barrett thread lol.

If he thought things were tough at Manly he will need to develop coat of armour to survive at the Bulldogs till all his class imports arrive.


He needs forwards not backs,what he has coming are backs and the dogs will need to do a massive upgrade to their pack for them to be effective

I'm not going to be an "I was right, told you so" type commentator, but after watching Tigers go through so many failed "rebuilds", I couldn't help but look at the Bulldogs and see exactly the same scenario emerging:

* young halfback who "failed" at a successful club (if you can't succeed there, why will it turn around in an inferior roster?)

* signing a representative winger who has always dreamed of playing centre - mate you'd be a representative centre if that was your go at club level, wouldn't you?

* signing a tough suspension-prone forward who hasn't been able to cement his spot for the last few seasons, but "had a good period under adversity last year"

* signing a winger-cum-fullback who was not first-choice in either position at either of his previous 2 clubs, but "had a good period under adversity last year"

* signing one of the games' fastest players 18 months in advance

* signing a fringe first grade forward from Manly and putting him straight into your starting side

Fans seeing these higher-profile signings as a sign of the "tide changing", but not realising the underlying weaknesses still inherent to the roster. When you come last or near-abouts for many seasons in a row, 3-4 known but not elite signings are almost certainly not going to turn it around. Then fans ramp-up expectation on a new coach, who is expected to turn the culture around after 1 pre-season, encumbered with a roster he mainly did not choose and introducing a handful of new recruits who are mid-level footballers.

Maybe they'll come good, who knows, but the basic formula is Tigers circa 2013, 2015, 2017.

 

[jirskyr]

Naden is off contract at the end of the year and the Tigers are willing to offer him another season on top of his current deal. At this stage the Panthers are reluctant to let him go. Thoughts?

We should target Murray Tualagi, Daniel Tupou, Xavier Coates, Sebastian Kris in the outside backs. Tupou is the ideal left winger for Tigers tall weapon who can cover well defensively and finish.

Daniel Tupou will never leave the Roosters, he's a lifer. He's had several opportunities to leave back when he was more consistently in the representative frame, and didn't take them then.

He also got himself in trouble a few years back and the Roosters smothered the story - I think he's got some debt to pay them back.

I'm sure Uncle Nick has a whole host of subsidies worked out when Tupou eventually shuffles into retirement. I bet his family is well looked after, his rent is being paid, they've identified a role with the club, he can get his teeth fixed etc. etc.

 

[Telltails]

The Mole: Big-money Bulldogs favourites to sign gun Broncos centre Kotoni Staggs for 2022
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-bulldogs-kotoni-staggs/6ff9d09b-5d67-4f5f-980a-21917b27cdc6

That would be absurd. Literally half their cap on a handful of outside backs. Zero depth, average pack, average halves, and a whole lot of mercenaries on 700k+

Honestly they have recruited well.
The part that will fail them is Trent Barrett. He is another Jason Taylor although with people skills. But same sort of 1dimension planning that Siebold did at the Broncos

Their in meltdown over at the kennel and most of their anger is aimed at their new recruits Allan, Flanagan and Hetherington. There’s even a sack Trent Barrett thread lol.

If he thought things were tough at Manly he will need to develop coat of armour to survive at the Bulldogs till all his class imports arrive.

I spoke to Shawn Blore at The Ambush event yesterday, he said he's heard Barrett is a really good coach.

That's the thing isn't it - we have all heard it.I guess we will see.

 

[Guest]

I remember watching Naden play and thinking the bloke is the most dynamic, dangerous runner in the game.
At 200k I'd take 3 of him please (behavioural issues not considered).

 

[2041]

The Mole: Big-money Bulldogs favourites to sign gun Broncos centre Kotoni Staggs for 2022
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-bulldogs-kotoni-staggs/6ff9d09b-5d67-4f5f-980a-21917b27cdc6

That would be absurd. Literally half their cap on a handful of outside backs. Zero depth, average pack, average halves, and a whole lot of mercenaries on 700k+

Honestly they have recruited well.
The part that will fail them is Trent Barrett. He is another Jason Taylor although with people skills. But same sort of 1dimension planning that Siebold did at the Broncos

Their in meltdown over at the kennel and most of their anger is aimed at their new recruits Allan, Flanagan and Hetherington. There’s even a sack Trent Barrett thread lol.

If he thought things were tough at Manly he will need to develop coat of armour to survive at the Bulldogs till all his class imports arrive.


He needs forwards not backs,what he has coming are backs and the dogs will need to do a massive upgrade to their pack for them to be effective

I'm not going to be an "I was right, told you so" type commentator, but after watching Tigers go through so many failed "rebuilds", I couldn't help but look at the Bulldogs and see exactly the same scenario emerging:

* young halfback who "failed" at a successful club (if you can't succeed there, why will it turn around in an inferior roster?)

* signing a representative winger who has always dreamed of playing centre - mate you'd be a representative centre if that was your go at club level, wouldn't you?

* signing a tough suspension-prone forward who hasn't been able to cement his spot for the last few seasons, but "had a good period under adversity last year"

* signing a winger-cum-fullback who was not first-choice in either position at either of his previous 2 clubs, but "had a good period under adversity last year"

* signing one of the games' fastest players 18 months in advance

* signing a fringe first grade forward from Manly and putting him straight into your starting side

Fans seeing these higher-profile signings as a sign of the "tide changing", but not realising the underlying weaknesses still inherent to the roster. When you come last or near-abouts for many seasons in a row, 3-4 known but not elite signings are almost certainly not going to turn it around. Then fans ramp-up expectation on a new coach, who is expected to turn the culture around after 1 pre-season, encumbered with a roster he mainly did not choose and introducing a handful of new recruits who are mid-level footballers.

Maybe they'll come good, who knows, but the basic formula is Tigers circa 2013, 2015, 2017.

It's very easy to diagnose from the outside: they've been in cap hell for years and no doubt the fans are revolting (also: revolting), so the temptation to spend all the money on whoever is available to provide some sort of 'morale boost' must be overwhelming.

Unfortunately, all this sort of quick fix does is - at best - drag a spoon contender up to the fringe of finals contention, before it all blows up again and the cycle repeats.

The problem is no-one has the appetite for the type of down to the screws rebuild Penrith and Canberra went through (or Souths before them). Fans and boards must look at the ladder and imagine the established means of securing long-term success (constant production line of junior talent - home grown and poached - identification of undervalued talent elsewhere, and selective, highly targeted free agent signings to fill specific gaps) is somehow not the only way of going about things.

How the Dogs look at their roster at the end of 2020 and decide they are a probably bad halfback, a couple of bench forwards and some 'marquee' outside backs (the term used *very* loosely especially in the context of Cotric) away from contention I cannot begin to imagine. But teams keep on making the same mistake.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

The Mole: Big-money Bulldogs favourites to sign gun Broncos centre Kotoni Staggs for 2022
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-bulldogs-kotoni-staggs/6ff9d09b-5d67-4f5f-980a-21917b27cdc6

That would be absurd. Literally half their cap on a handful of outside backs. Zero depth, average pack, average halves, and a whole lot of mercenaries on 700k+

Honestly they have recruited well.
The part that will fail them is Trent Barrett. He is another Jason Taylor although with people skills. But same sort of 1dimension planning that Siebold did at the Broncos

Their in meltdown over at the kennel and most of their anger is aimed at their new recruits Allan, Flanagan and Hetherington. There’s even a sack Trent Barrett thread lol.

If he thought things were tough at Manly he will need to develop coat of armour to survive at the Bulldogs till all his class imports arrive.

I spoke to Shawn Blore at The Ambush event yesterday, he said he's heard Barrett is a really good coach.

Wouldn’t Barrett have actually coached him when he was there

 

[tigerbalm]

Naden is off contract at the end of the year and the Tigers are willing to offer him another season on top of his current deal. At this stage the Panthers are reluctant to let him go. Thoughts?

Wests should be....lining up....for Naden.

 

[JC99]

Thing is if we sign Naden for dirt cheap, even if he struggled we can still sign another better winger. Don't see us signing another good dollar winger though.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

I’d take Naden he’s a good player, I don’t see what he did as a huge issue it’s rife in the NRL and with blokes his own age. He’s just the unlucky one who got caught undoubtedly with the money they are on he shouldn’t have been doing it but he did and it’s done. Kind of wish we still had Momo but Laurie is far better for us but Naden bring him in if it means Kepaoa isn’t in the side that’s a huge plus Kepaoa needs to desperately work on not having hands like feet.