Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[jag]

We have a Claytons recruitment team!!

 

[hsvjones]

I think the biggest problem we have is the senior players are not delivering as they should..
We have all these younger players that have potential but we are asking them to carry the team when it should be the other way around.. The argument that we need to keep investing into youth is good but if we don't go and buy the senior players that WILL set the standards we will continue on this lovely slide we are currently on..
You go through every team and look at there senior players and then look at ours :angry: It's amazing we are not on the bottom with the Dogs but at least there fans have something to cheer about moving forward..

We need to buy some hard nosed players even if it for just 2 years because all we are doing to these young gems we have is building a losing mentality and driving them away.. Clearly our young guys are not up to it yet and there is not much in reserves knocking down the door..

I say we throw the book at Manu and B Smith and forget about our past bad decisions and move on..

 

[426Tlgerland]

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The hello far out ways the goodbye lot , I put Peachey in as he is only 27 and he can change a game on his own , Klemmer add punch and Aggression , Woods still going ok and cheap , Lomax be nice , Hastings again can be aggressive and game changer compared to what we seen in our last game , nobody knew how to finish the game off , Peachey would have been all over that play the ball nobody turned up to grab , Gildart ? Not sure only time will tell I just hope he is quick

 

[Needaname]

So who is the player to be upgraded to our squad?

With so many games on that there won't be any announcements today. Would always be tomorrow, after the round is over, so we won't know even if we signed someone from outside yet

Not likely to be tomorrow either with the two evening games as well.

Depending on the teams involved. If we signed someone from a club not playing tomorrow we could announce it.

If we were just promoting someone why not announce it today?

I don't think there will be much fanfare for this announcement.

You’ve got the inside word?

There hasn’t been any noise other than Panthers signing TPJ and Melbourne signing Tepai Morora in regards to the rest of the league finalising their squads.

I am expecting it to be an internal upgrade, I would expect Tuilagi

That would be a disaster and massive insult to everyone at the club (other than Kelma).

It says there's not a single player of any age that wants to join us.

There is not a lot around atm.

That's just not true and a massive copout. There's hundreds of players potentially available. We'd be far better off promoting Etu Lui, Israel Ogden or evn Logen Dillion given Laurie is out. Get them in the bubble asap!

Or target a star from another clubs Flegg squad. They're not playing for them, so being released to an NRL deal would be highly probable. We've got to be exploring all avenues. If they wont do it give me a job! Sure the kids aren't match fit but there's more long term value getting them training with the nrl squad now and this will help us next season, if not sooner. Promoting Tuilagi, Cooper etc achieves absolutley nothing and is completely pointless.

Agree with this. A quick look around and you’ll see due to the exemption to enable clubs to use Dev / Train and Trial positions as first graders clubs haven’t limited their list to just them.

Sure Penrith could of added a young guy and paid him forward or whatever they wanted to do. Instead they picked up a guy who is transiting clubs in a position they need the depth in.
Even the Storm have picked up former Eel in Tepai Moroa.
Sure we are at the opposite end of the table to those two clubs but it makes absolutely no sense at all to promote a player into your team that 1 can already play first grade and 2 is part of next years plan anyway.
We’ve done that the past 3 years.
Starting with Garner in 2018. Seyfarth in 2019 and can’t remember last year but it’s been a joke.

 

[cochise]

So who is the player to be upgraded to our squad?

With so many games on that there won't be any announcements today. Would always be tomorrow, after the round is over, so we won't know even if we signed someone from outside yet

Not likely to be tomorrow either with the two evening games as well.

Depending on the teams involved. If we signed someone from a club not playing tomorrow we could announce it.

If we were just promoting someone why not announce it today?

I don't think there will be much fanfare for this announcement.

You’ve got the inside word?

There hasn’t been any noise other than Panthers signing TPJ and Melbourne signing Tepai Morora in regards to the rest of the league finalising their squads.

I am expecting it to be an internal upgrade, I would expect Tuilagi

That would be a disaster and massive insult to everyone at the club (other than Kelma).

It says there's not a single player of any age that wants to join us.

There is not a lot around atm.

That's just not true and a massive copout. There's hundreds of players potentially available. We'd be far better off promoting Etu Lui, Israel Ogden or evn Logen Dillion given Laurie is out. Get them in the bubble asap!

Or target a star from another clubs Flegg squad. They're not playing for them, so being released to an NRL deal would be highly probable. We've got to be exploring all avenues. If they wont do it give me a job! Sure the kids aren't match fit but there's more long term value getting them training with the nrl squad now and this will help us next season, if not sooner. Promoting Tuilagi, Cooper etc achieves absolutley nothing and is completely pointless.

Don't get too upset, me saying tuilagi is an educated guess

 

[balmain boy]

So who is the player to be upgraded to our squad?

With so many games on that there won't be any announcements today. Would always be tomorrow, after the round is over, so we won't know even if we signed someone from outside yet

Not likely to be tomorrow either with the two evening games as well.

Depending on the teams involved. If we signed someone from a club not playing tomorrow we could announce it.

If we were just promoting someone why not announce it today?

I don't think there will be much fanfare for this announcement.

You’ve got the inside word?

There hasn’t been any noise other than Panthers signing TPJ and Melbourne signing Tepai Morora in regards to the rest of the league finalising their squads.

I am expecting it to be an internal upgrade, I would expect Tuilagi

That would be a disaster and massive insult to everyone at the club (other than Kelma).

It says there's not a single player of any age that wants to join us.

There is not a lot around atm.

That's just not true and a massive copout. There's hundreds of players potentially available. We'd be far better off promoting Etu Lui, Israel Ogden or evn Logen Dillion given Laurie is out. Get them in the bubble asap!

Or target a star from another clubs Flegg squad. They're not playing for them, so being released to an NRL deal would be highly probable. We've got to be exploring all avenues. If they wont do it give me a job! Sure the kids aren't match fit but there's more long term value getting them training with the nrl squad now and this will help us next season, if not sooner. Promoting Tuilagi, Cooper etc achieves absolutley nothing and is completely pointless.

Don't get too upset, me saying tuilagi is an educated guess

Nothing personal of course mate, it's the club's professionalism at question here. It's just not possible that there's no one from outside our current nrl setup that we could sign. Our own elite juniors are a great start.

Complacency has been at the heart of our cultural issues since existence. We need to snap out of it.

 

[tony soprano]

So who is the player to be upgraded to our squad?

With so many games on that there won't be any announcements today. Would always be tomorrow, after the round is over, so we won't know even if we signed someone from outside yet

Not likely to be tomorrow either with the two evening games as well.

Depending on the teams involved. If we signed someone from a club not playing tomorrow we could announce it.

If we were just promoting someone why not announce it today?

I don't think there will be much fanfare for this announcement.

You’ve got the inside word?

There hasn’t been any noise other than Panthers signing TPJ and Melbourne signing Tepai Morora in regards to the rest of the league finalising their squads.

I am expecting it to be an internal upgrade, I would expect Tuilagi

That would be a disaster and massive insult to everyone at the club (other than Kelma).

It says there's not a single player of any age that wants to join us.

There is not a lot around atm.

That's just not true and a massive copout. There's hundreds of players potentially available. We'd be far better off promoting Etu Lui, Israel Ogden or evn Logen Dillion given Laurie is out. Get them in the bubble asap!

Or target a star from another clubs Flegg squad. They're not playing for them, so being released to an NRL deal would be highly probable. We've got to be exploring all avenues. If they wont do it give me a job! Sure the kids aren't match fit but there's more long term value getting them training with the nrl squad now and this will help us next season, if not sooner. Promoting Tuilagi, Cooper etc achieves absolutley nothing and is completely pointless.

Etu picked up a serious leg injury

 

[gregjm87]

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Lomax
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Klemmer
Woods
The hello far out ways the goodbye lot , I put Peachey in as he is only 27 and he can change a game on his own , Klemmer add punch and Aggression , Woods still going ok and cheap , Lomax be nice , Hastings again can be aggressive and game changer compared to what we seen in our last game , nobody knew how to finish the game off , Peachey would have been all over that play the ball nobody turned up to grab , Gildart ? Not sure only time will tell I just hope he is quick

Lomax and Klemmer are both contracted for the next couple years. I know plenty of players agitate to get out of contracts early, but i dont recall any player who was still a first grade regular at their current club breaking contract to go to a less successful club.

 

[carltonleach]

So can anyone tell me roughly how much we cap space we have atm? I’m really confused where we are at ?

 

[Thaiger]

So who is the player to be upgraded to our squad?

With so many games on that there won't be any announcements today. Would always be tomorrow, after the round is over, so we won't know even if we signed someone from outside yet

Not likely to be tomorrow either with the two evening games as well.

Depending on the teams involved. If we signed someone from a club not playing tomorrow we could announce it.

If we were just promoting someone why not announce it today?

I don't think there will be much fanfare for this announcement.

You’ve got the inside word?

There hasn’t been any noise other than Panthers signing TPJ and Melbourne signing Tepai Morora in regards to the rest of the league finalising their squads.

I am expecting it to be an internal upgrade, I would expect Tuilagi

That would be a disaster and massive insult to everyone at the club (other than Kelma).

It says there's not a single player of any age that wants to join us.

There is not a lot around atm.

That's just not true and a massive copout. There's hundreds of players potentially available. We'd be far better off promoting Etu Lui, Israel Ogden or evn Logen Dillion given Laurie is out. Get them in the bubble asap!

Or target a star from another clubs Flegg squad. They're not playing for them, so being released to an NRL deal would be highly probable. We've got to be exploring all avenues. If they wont do it give me a job! Sure the kids aren't match fit but there's more long term value getting them training with the nrl squad now and this will help us next season, if not sooner. Promoting Tuilagi, Cooper etc achieves absolutley nothing and is completely pointless.

Such a good suggestion. We have talent that we can bring through from Flegg who actually have shown they want to win and do anything to be part of the club. All this rubbish that we'd be throwing them to the wolves etc. You either step up and learn or maybe you can't cut it - only one way to find out.

In reality, yes they will have had only half a season in 2 years (some of them 1.5 seasons from 2019) but they will be 22 next year - get them in the squad and get them training early if not for 2021 but for 2022.

 

[carltonleach]

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Say Hello
Hastings
Gildart
Lomax
Peachey
Klemmer
Woods
The hello far out ways the goodbye lot , I put Peachey in as he is only 27 and he can change a game on his own , Klemmer add punch and Aggression , Woods still going ok and cheap , Lomax be nice , Hastings again can be aggressive and game changer compared to what we seen in our last game , nobody knew how to finish the game off , Peachey would have been all over that play the ball nobody turned up to grab , Gildart ? Not sure only time will tell I just hope he is quick

I completely agree with you although I’d be keeping mikale and talau. I think mikale can become a good front rower and still strongly believe talau will make a dynamite second rower . He’s big enough and strong enough and only young still. He has no problem running it’s catching and 2nd row doesn’t catch too much lol

 

[voice_of_reason]

@gregjm87 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1434086):
>I know plenty of players agitate to get out of contracts early, but i dont recall any player who was still a first grade regular at their current club breaking contract to go to a less successful club.

Ken Maumalo comes to mind - but I get your point.

 

[Newtown]

Need to go all out for Manu.
Give him fb, Laurie to half, Adam 6, Brooks 9.

Gould was saying that Laurie's best position is 6. So this sounds good but I'll have Adam at centre brooks at 7. Also putting Hastings at 13 will give you a ball playing lock.

I agree with Gould assessment on Laurie.

I don't think he is ready for 6 yet.

How does he get ready for six if all that he has been playing for Wests Tigers is 1?

 

[tigertuff]

So who is the player to be upgraded to our squad?

With so many games on that there won't be any announcements today. Would always be tomorrow, after the round is over, so we won't know even if we signed someone from outside yet

Not likely to be tomorrow either with the two evening games as well.

Depending on the teams involved. If we signed someone from a club not playing tomorrow we could announce it.

If we were just promoting someone why not announce it today?

I don't think there will be much fanfare for this announcement.

You’ve got the inside word?

There hasn’t been any noise other than Panthers signing TPJ and Melbourne signing Tepai Morora in regards to the rest of the league finalising their squads.

I am expecting it to be an internal upgrade, I would expect Tuilagi

That would be a disaster and massive insult to everyone at the club (other than Kelma).

It says there's not a single player of any age that wants to join us.

There is not a lot around atm.

That's just not true and a massive copout. There's hundreds of players potentially available. We'd be far better off promoting Etu Lui, Israel Ogden or evn Logen Dillion given Laurie is out. Get them in the bubble asap!

Or target a star from another clubs Flegg squad. They're not playing for them, so being released to an NRL deal would be highly probable. We've got to be exploring all avenues. If they wont do it give me a job! Sure the kids aren't match fit but there's more long term value getting them training with the nrl squad now and this will help us next season, if not sooner. Promoting Tuilagi, Cooper etc achieves absolutley nothing and is completely pointless.

If they dont have one eye on what this team will look like 12 months from now ,they are worse than what i thought they were. I would love to know who in our Jersey Flegg is signed up for the coming years. Surely there is a hand full of guys in that team ready to kick on.

 

[Needaname]

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Laurie
Stef
Tuilagi
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Say Goodbye
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Mbye
Joey L
Roberts
Talau
Mikaele

Say Hello
Hastings
Gildart
Lomax
Peachey
Klemmer
Woods
The hello far out ways the goodbye lot , I put Peachey in as he is only 27 and he can change a game on his own , Klemmer add punch and Aggression , Woods still going ok and cheap , Lomax be nice , Hastings again can be aggressive and game changer compared to what we seen in our last game , nobody knew how to finish the game off , Peachey would have been all over that play the ball nobody turned up to grab , Gildart ? Not sure only time will tell I just hope he is quick

Lomax and Klemmer are both contracted for the next couple years. I know plenty of players agitate to get out of contracts early, but i dont recall any player who was still a first grade regular at their current club breaking contract to go to a less successful club.

Addin Fonua Blake.

 

[Snake]

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Laurie
Stef
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Mbye
Joey L
Roberts
Talau
Mikaele

Say Hello
Hastings
Gildart
Lomax
Peachey
Klemmer
Woods
The hello far out ways the goodbye lot , I put Peachey in as he is only 27 and he can change a game on his own , Klemmer add punch and Aggression , Woods still going ok and cheap , Lomax be nice , Hastings again can be aggressive and game changer compared to what we seen in our last game , nobody knew how to finish the game off , Peachey would have been all over that play the ball nobody turned up to grab , Gildart ? Not sure only time will tell I just hope he is quick

Lomax and Klemmer are both contracted for the next couple years. I know plenty of players agitate to get out of contracts early, but i dont recall any player who was still a first grade regular at their current club breaking contract to go to a less successful club.

Addin Fonua Blake.

Lawnmower man.

 

[Needaname]

Upgrade from 2022 min 3 years / end 2024
Laurie
Stef
Tuilagi
Ogden
Cooper
Blore
Seyforth
T Simpkins

Say Goodbye
Packer
Mbye
Joey L
Roberts
Talau
Mikaele

Say Hello
Hastings
Gildart
Lomax
Peachey
Klemmer
Woods
The hello far out ways the goodbye lot , I put Peachey in as he is only 27 and he can change a game on his own , Klemmer add punch and Aggression , Woods still going ok and cheap , Lomax be nice , Hastings again can be aggressive and game changer compared to what we seen in our last game , nobody knew how to finish the game off , Peachey would have been all over that play the ball nobody turned up to grab , Gildart ? Not sure only time will tell I just hope he is quick

Lomax and Klemmer are both contracted for the next couple years. I know plenty of players agitate to get out of contracts early, but i dont recall any player who was still a first grade regular at their current club breaking contract to go to a less successful club.

Addin Fonua Blake.


Lawnmower man.

Manly is more successful than us.

 

[wicked_j]

Need to go all out for Manu.
Give him fb, Laurie to half, Adam 6, Brooks 9.

Gould was saying that Laurie's best position is 6. So this sounds good but I'll have Adam at centre brooks at 7. Also putting Hastings at 13 will give you a ball playing lock.

I agree with Gould assessment on Laurie.

I don't think he is ready for 6 yet.

How does he get ready for six if all that he has been playing for Wests Tigers is 1?

Darren Lockyer played most of his career at 1 before moving to 6 for Brisbane / QLD. Not saying Laurie will be as good or as successful as he was, but it's not an unheard of move. He' seems to have been playing 6 in attack on the left side of the field (as Doueihi doesn't seem to leave the right), and more of a sweeping role on the right, so his biggest change would be the extra defensive work (and more kicking).

 

[cochise]

Need to go all out for Manu.
Give him fb, Laurie to half, Adam 6, Brooks 9.

Gould was saying that Laurie's best position is 6. So this sounds good but I'll have Adam at centre brooks at 7. Also putting Hastings at 13 will give you a ball playing lock.

I agree with Gould assessment on Laurie.

I don't think he is ready for 6 yet.

How does he get ready for six if all that he has been playing for Wests Tigers is 1?

There is this new innovation called training, though I'm not sure if our team does that yet. He will also get time in the 6 during trials like he did this year, to show if he is ready.

 

[Guest]

The superstar that the ‘battle-scarred’ Wests Tigers need to ‘throw the kitchen sink at’

Darcie McDonald from Fox Sports
@darciemcdonald
August 2nd, 2021 9:29 am

The Wests Tigers slumped to their fifth loss in six weeks with a performance that had many declaring the club had officially hit rock bottom.

With their season on the line, the Tigers failed to aim up against a seriously depleted Warriors side.

Michael Ennis put the blowtorch on the club’s powerbrokers, suggesting they are the people who should be made accountable for the team going backwards.

But league legend James Graham might have a solution to get the Tigers back on track — and it’s to do with their recruitment drive.

The Tigers have struggled to build a champion roster. Coach Michael Maguire inherited poor salary cap decisions when he took over the reigns in 2018.

The likes of big earners Russell Packer and Moses Mbye haven’t lived up to expectations, while Joey Leilua has spent more time in reserve grade than NRL this season. Luke Brooks has managed to hold onto his No.7 jersey but not a week goes by that questions aren’t raised about his spot in the team.

When it comes to building his ideal roster, Maguire has tried — but failed. Michael Ennis believes that is concerning for the club considering the last-placed Bulldogs and lowly Broncos are still managing to lure star signings.

“For Michael Maguire, the roster that he has at the moment, the Bulldogs have attracted Matt Burton, Josh Addo-Carr, Luke Thompson has come there when times were tough, the list goes on there,” Ennis told Big League Wrap.

“The Broncos, in a poor time in their club’s history, are still attracting blokes like Adam Reynolds, they’ve re-signed Kotoni Staggs and Kurt Capewell — an Origin player — is going there.

“The Wests Tigers have missed Latrell Mitchell, they’ve missed Dale Finucane, they’ve missed out on Tevita Pangai.”

Graham believes the Tigers are still reeling from blowing their budget on players that couldn’t deliver — but says it’s time to “move on from that” by going after one of the hottest names in the game.

“I think they’ve been burned in the fact that they spent overs on people like (Moses) Mbye, (Josh) Reynolds, (Russell) Packer and (Ben) Matulino and they’re almost fearful of that now. They need to move on from that,” he told Big League Wrap.

“When Maguire was a top coach he had top players doing all those little things for him where he doesn’t seem to have that (at the Tigers).

“Why don’t they throw the kitchen sink at a Joseph Manu? Pay way overs for him — and not one of these plays around the $800,000 mark — I’m talking about some serious money.

“A lot of player agents out there were anticipating an expansion team coming in and freeing up a lot of player movement. They’ve got to go out and they’ve got to cast that net, and those guys that were potentially going to an expansion team, get some of them on board.”

However, Fox League’s James Hooper says it’s unlikely the Tigers will splash a lot of cash on one player again.

“The reason why they won’t do it is because they’re battle-scarred from having missed out on so many key signatures,” he said.

And while big calls on the roster are needed, there’s an overarching decision that probably needs to be made first — that’s on the future of Maguire.

According to multiple reports, Maguire has these final weeks of the season to save his job.

Fox League’s Lara Pitt put the decision in Ennis’ hands for a moment, asking him if Maguire has done enough to get another season at the helm.

“I’m not sure, I’m really not,” Ennis responded.

“You look at his results since he’s come to the club. He was going to rebuild the Wests Tigers, we knew that he was all about hard work and all about defence. He spoke honestly and publicly about that.

“Since he’s been at the Wests Tigers they’ve deteriorated. He had a 45 per cent win record the first year he was there, I think it went to 35 per cent last year and this year it’s languishing at less, I think it’s down to the low 30s.

“This (Warriors clash) was a game they had to win. The Warriors, with all due respect, could hardly field a side. Leading 10-nil, four points outside of the top right, it’s the same conversation every year.

“When do the powers that be become accountable at the Wests Tigers that have made these decisions?

“Yes, Michael Maguire should be under pressure. He’s saying that his side is growing — I’ve seen no growth. He might argue that, but I haven’t seen a lot of growth in the Wests Tigers since he’s been there.

“But the same people are sitting in the same positions at the club making the same decisions and nothing is changing at the Wests Tigers.”

Graham put the onus on the players and singled out one moment in Friday’s game when the Warriors scored one of the easiest tries we’ll ever see.

“The short dropout is a play you’ve got to know. It’s a training ground drill and the players are looking at each other and just let Euan Aitken pick the ball up and are looking around as if to say ‘what happened?’” he said.

“The idea of the play isn’t bad, but the execution of it is really poor.

“I feel so sorry for Michael Maguire, I really do because he seems like a coach that tries his heart out, he puts so much effort and energy (into coaching).”

Ennis agreed that Maguire’s effort is second to none — but suggested that perhaps that’s not enough. However, he’d like to see some action at the very top first.

“Anyone that knows ‘Madge’ knows what a great bloke he is, and he works tirelessly. Everyone in the game that knows Madge, knows that he’s got a great work ethic — and that’s what he can instil in a side,” Ennis said.

“But in terms of the technicality of the way the side plays, I’ve heard that there say technically he’s a great motivator but that’s not where they need to be.

“The bottom line is that at the end of the day, the Wests Tigers don’t know who they are and it starts at the top. Until they’re willing to make some serious decisions, nothing is going to change.

“With the roster they’ve got at the moment, obviously with what’s going on off-field in terms of leadership, if nothing changes, they’ll get the same results and we’ll be having the same conversations next year.”