Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499421) said:
Hopefully it means we are giving Garner his walking papers. Need to do better than him.

To be honest I’d keep Garner over LL. At least after Garner got dropped his defence improved dramatically. LL is a massive liability in defence which cancels out his work with the ball IMO.

Having said that I’m not sure either are starters at too many other clubs.
 
Marquee and mid level players price are going to increase significantly come 2023.

700k for Luci is probably not great value now. With cap increases and talent being more thinly from 2023, I think he will get very close to that elsewhere.
 
@harvey said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499431) said:
Marquee and mid level players price are going to increase significantly come 2023.

700k for Luci is probably not great value now. With cap increases and talent being more thinly from 2023, I think he will get very close to that elsewhere.

Luch on drugs let him go
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499227) said:
@donk said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499213) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499170) said:
@aturkey said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498851) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498370) said:
@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498361) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498346) said:
Don't get why people need to crap on one of our promising rookies in Jake Simpkin all the time, let the kid develop and see how he goes. Clearly he's worth putting time into

If you like Liddle that doesn't mean you have to hate Jake Simpkin fellas, end of the day it's about the team not individuals ?

This is quite ironic. As soon as you criticise players like Simpkin or Hastings, it’s seen as unfair. Yet for players like Brooks, Noffa and Liddle, it’s open slather. To the point where a lot of it gets personal. I’ve seen Brooks called an imp, Noffa is constantly referred to as Nofoalooza. But it’s the ones who criticise darlings like Simpkin and Hastings that get called out for being unfair and should rein it in. Classic double standards.

The Simpkin thing is the same as brooks and Liddle . People built up their expectations , and when reality didn’t meet their fairytale , they turned on the player . It was obvious from 2017 brooks was destined for above average first grade half eg. Matt Orford career . But nope because he’s not the next Andrew johns , then he’s somehow a reserve grader ??
Same thing for Liddle and Simpkin is headed that way as well . They evaluate them on what they want them to be rather than what they are .

Brooks is a very average first grade half. He's in the bottom 4 for me and is a major reason why we remain average. This has nothing to do with me wanting him to be the next Johns although, wouldn't that be nice? Seriously, wouldn't it be nice if he had even a slither of the skill of Johns? I don't know why people are so passionate to defend mediocrity. These are professionals on loads of mon

Mate I’m not interested sorry . If you can’t see the forest from the trees , that’s on you . I’m not debating it . People who do this stuff for a living agree with me , to varying degrees I’m sure , but in general . That’s good enough for me. I tend to go an electrician for electrical faults . Or a plumber for water issues . And I don’t assume I know more than either . That’s the last thing I’m going to say . I hope you have a good night .

The varying degrees is the issue. Certainly not a rep level player. Not a finals player. He is perfectly average. Wins the odd game he shouldn’t. Loses a lot of games he shouldn’t.
That is not good enough for a lot of supporters. We want more from our halfback and fear we have given him a free career he would not have achieved elsewhere.
Our rebuild can only begin when he leaves.

We must be watching a different player. Brooks would get a start with many clubs who would be happy to build a side around him.

How many other halfbacks experienced the loss of quality players such as Tedesco, JAC, Simona, Moses, Matterson, Tapau, Woods, Sironen (perhaps Koroibete as well) without players of equal quality replacing them?. He is the one who stayed and is hammered for it.

Mate you’re wasting your breath . We win it’s because of some other reason . We lose it’s his fault , even though we might score 26 points and let in 46 down the other edge . I feel sorry as for the bloke . He’s on a hiding to nothing . Would look good in a knights jersey .
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499227) said:
@donk said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499213) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499170) said:
@aturkey said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498851) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498370) said:
@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498361) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498346) said:
Don't get why people need to crap on one of our promising rookies in Jake Simpkin all the time, let the kid develop and see how he goes. Clearly he's worth putting time into

If you like Liddle that doesn't mean you have to hate Jake Simpkin fellas, end of the day it's about the team not individuals ?

This is quite ironic. As soon as you criticise players like Simpkin or Hastings, it’s seen as unfair. Yet for players like Brooks, Noffa and Liddle, it’s open slather. To the point where a lot of it gets personal. I’ve seen Brooks called an imp, Noffa is constantly referred to as Nofoalooza. But it’s the ones who criticise darlings like Simpkin and Hastings that get called out for being unfair and should rein it in. Classic double standards.

The Simpkin thing is the same as brooks and Liddle . People built up their expectations , and when reality didn’t meet their fairytale , they turned on the player . It was obvious from 2017 brooks was destined for above average first grade half eg. Matt Orford career . But nope because he’s not the next Andrew johns , then he’s somehow a reserve grader ??
Same thing for Liddle and Simpkin is headed that way as well . They evaluate them on what they want them to be rather than what they are .

Brooks is a very average first grade half. He's in the bottom 4 for me and is a major reason why we remain average. This has nothing to do with me wanting him to be the next Johns although, wouldn't that be nice? Seriously, wouldn't it be nice if he had even a slither of the skill of Johns? I don't know why people are so passionate to defend mediocrity. These are professionals on loads of mon

Mate I’m not interested sorry . If you can’t see the forest from the trees , that’s on you . I’m not debating it . People who do this stuff for a living agree with me , to varying degrees I’m sure , but in general . That’s good enough for me. I tend to go an electrician for electrical faults . Or a plumber for water issues . And I don’t assume I know more than either . That’s the last thing I’m going to say . I hope you have a good night .

The varying degrees is the issue. Certainly not a rep level player. Not a finals player. He is perfectly average. Wins the odd game he shouldn’t. Loses a lot of games he shouldn’t.
That is not good enough for a lot of supporters. We want more from our halfback and fear we have given him a free career he would not have achieved elsewhere.
Our rebuild can only begin when he leaves.

We must be watching a different player. Brooks would get a start with many clubs who would be happy to build a side around him.

How many other halfbacks experienced the loss of quality players such as Tedesco, JAC, Simona, Moses, Matterson, Tapau, Woods, Sironen (perhaps Koroibete as well) without players of equal quality replacing them?. He is the one who stayed and is hammered for it.

Firstly, he stayed because no one else wanted him.
Secondly, he was crap when all those boys were here.
Thirdly, you cannot build a side around a voiceless introvert with middling talent.
 
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499434) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499227) said:
@donk said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499213) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499170) said:
@aturkey said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498851) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498370) said:
@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498361) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498346) said:
Don't get why people need to crap on one of our promising rookies in Jake Simpkin all the time, let the kid develop and see how he goes. Clearly he's worth putting time into

If you like Liddle that doesn't mean you have to hate Jake Simpkin fellas, end of the day it's about the team not individuals ?

This is quite ironic. As soon as you criticise players like Simpkin or Hastings, it’s seen as unfair. Yet for players like Brooks, Noffa and Liddle, it’s open slather. To the point where a lot of it gets personal. I’ve seen Brooks called an imp, Noffa is constantly referred to as Nofoalooza. But it’s the ones who criticise darlings like Simpkin and Hastings that get called out for being unfair and should rein it in. Classic double standards.

The Simpkin thing is the same as brooks and Liddle . People built up their expectations , and when reality didn’t meet their fairytale , they turned on the player . It was obvious from 2017 brooks was destined for above average first grade half eg. Matt Orford career . But nope because he’s not the next Andrew johns , then he’s somehow a reserve grader ??
Same thing for Liddle and Simpkin is headed that way as well . They evaluate them on what they want them to be rather than what they are .

Brooks is a very average first grade half. He's in the bottom 4 for me and is a major reason why we remain average. This has nothing to do with me wanting him to be the next Johns although, wouldn't that be nice? Seriously, wouldn't it be nice if he had even a slither of the skill of Johns? I don't know why people are so passionate to defend mediocrity. These are professionals on loads of mon

Mate I’m not interested sorry . If you can’t see the forest from the trees , that’s on you . I’m not debating it . People who do this stuff for a living agree with me , to varying degrees I’m sure , but in general . That’s good enough for me. I tend to go an electrician for electrical faults . Or a plumber for water issues . And I don’t assume I know more than either . That’s the last thing I’m going to say . I hope you have a good night .

The varying degrees is the issue. Certainly not a rep level player. Not a finals player. He is perfectly average. Wins the odd game he shouldn’t. Loses a lot of games he shouldn’t.
That is not good enough for a lot of supporters. We want more from our halfback and fear we have given him a free career he would not have achieved elsewhere.
Our rebuild can only begin when he leaves.

We must be watching a different player. Brooks would get a start with many clubs who would be happy to build a side around him.

How many other halfbacks experienced the loss of quality players such as Tedesco, JAC, Simona, Moses, Matterson, Tapau, Woods, Sironen (perhaps Koroibete as well) without players of equal quality replacing them?. He is the one who stayed and is hammered for it.

Would look good in a knights jersey .

Certainly would. Get it done.
 
@donk said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499440) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499227) said:
@donk said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499213) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499170) said:
@aturkey said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498851) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498370) said:
@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498361) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498346) said:
Don't get why people need to crap on one of our promising rookies in Jake Simpkin all the time, let the kid develop and see how he goes. Clearly he's worth putting time into

If you like Liddle that doesn't mean you have to hate Jake Simpkin fellas, end of the day it's about the team not individuals ?

This is quite ironic. As soon as you criticise players like Simpkin or Hastings, it’s seen as unfair. Yet for players like Brooks, Noffa and Liddle, it’s open slather. To the point where a lot of it gets personal. I’ve seen Brooks called an imp, Noffa is constantly referred to as Nofoalooza. But it’s the ones who criticise darlings like Simpkin and Hastings that get called out for being unfair and should rein it in. Classic double standards.

The Simpkin thing is the same as brooks and Liddle . People built up their expectations , and when reality didn’t meet their fairytale , they turned on the player . It was obvious from 2017 brooks was destined for above average first grade half eg. Matt Orford career . But nope because he’s not the next Andrew johns , then he’s somehow a reserve grader ??
Same thing for Liddle and Simpkin is headed that way as well . They evaluate them on what they want them to be rather than what they are .

Brooks is a very average first grade half. He's in the bottom 4 for me and is a major reason why we remain average. This has nothing to do with me wanting him to be the next Johns although, wouldn't that be nice? Seriously, wouldn't it be nice if he had even a slither of the skill of Johns? I don't know why people are so passionate to defend mediocrity. These are professionals on loads of mon

Mate I’m not interested sorry . If you can’t see the forest from the trees , that’s on you . I’m not debating it . People who do this stuff for a living agree with me , to varying degrees I’m sure , but in general . That’s good enough for me. I tend to go an electrician for electrical faults . Or a plumber for water issues . And I don’t assume I know more than either . That’s the last thing I’m going to say . I hope you have a good night .

The varying degrees is the issue. Certainly not a rep level player. Not a finals player. He is perfectly average. Wins the odd game he shouldn’t. Loses a lot of games he shouldn’t.
That is not good enough for a lot of supporters. We want more from our halfback and fear we have given him a free career he would not have achieved elsewhere.
Our rebuild can only begin when he leaves.

We must be watching a different player. Brooks would get a start with many clubs who would be happy to build a side around him.

How many other halfbacks experienced the loss of quality players such as Tedesco, JAC, Simona, Moses, Matterson, Tapau, Woods, Sironen (perhaps Koroibete as well) without players of equal quality replacing them?. He is the one who stayed and is hammered for it.

Firstly, he stayed because no one else wanted him.
Secondly, he was crap when all those boys were here.
Thirdly, you cannot build a side around a voiceless introvert with middling talent.

Cool man . Stop saying the same things over and over . Let it go . We don’t agree with you . I’m never going to agree with you ( I can’t speak for paws and others) . And most of the nrl doesn’t agree with you , regardless of what the fans are screaming about .
Think what you want . But stop repeating yourself , or keep it in the “we hate Luke brooks “ echo chamber thread .
 
@donk said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499440) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499227) said:
@donk said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499213) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499170) said:
@aturkey said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498851) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498370) said:
@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498361) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498346) said:
Don't get why people need to crap on one of our promising rookies in Jake Simpkin all the time, let the kid develop and see how he goes. Clearly he's worth putting time into

If you like Liddle that doesn't mean you have to hate Jake Simpkin fellas, end of the day it's about the team not individuals ?

This is quite ironic. As soon as you criticise players like Simpkin or Hastings, it’s seen as unfair. Yet for players like Brooks, Noffa and Liddle, it’s open slather. To the point where a lot of it gets personal. I’ve seen Brooks called an imp, Noffa is constantly referred to as Nofoalooza. But it’s the ones who criticise darlings like Simpkin and Hastings that get called out for being unfair and should rein it in. Classic double standards.

The Simpkin thing is the same as brooks and Liddle . People built up their expectations , and when reality didn’t meet their fairytale , they turned on the player . It was obvious from 2017 brooks was destined for above average first grade half eg. Matt Orford career . But nope because he’s not the next Andrew johns , then he’s somehow a reserve grader ??
Same thing for Liddle and Simpkin is headed that way as well . They evaluate them on what they want them to be rather than what they are .

Brooks is a very average first grade half. He's in the bottom 4 for me and is a major reason why we remain average. This has nothing to do with me wanting him to be the next Johns although, wouldn't that be nice? Seriously, wouldn't it be nice if he had even a slither of the skill of Johns? I don't know why people are so passionate to defend mediocrity. These are professionals on loads of mon

Mate I’m not interested sorry . If you can’t see the forest from the trees , that’s on you . I’m not debating it . People who do this stuff for a living agree with me , to varying degrees I’m sure , but in general . That’s good enough for me. I tend to go an electrician for electrical faults . Or a plumber for water issues . And I don’t assume I know more than either . That’s the last thing I’m going to say . I hope you have a good night .

The varying degrees is the issue. Certainly not a rep level player. Not a finals player. He is perfectly average. Wins the odd game he shouldn’t. Loses a lot of games he shouldn’t.
That is not good enough for a lot of supporters. We want more from our halfback and fear we have given him a free career he would not have achieved elsewhere.
Our rebuild can only begin when he leaves.

We must be watching a different player. Brooks would get a start with many clubs who would be happy to build a side around him.

How many other halfbacks experienced the loss of quality players such as Tedesco, JAC, Simona, Moses, Matterson, Tapau, Woods, Sironen (perhaps Koroibete as well) without players of equal quality replacing them?. He is the one who stayed and is hammered for it.

Firstly, he stayed because no one else wanted him.
Secondly, he was crap when all those boys were here.
Thirdly, you cannot build a side around a voiceless introvert with middling talent.

All three points are incorrect.
 
@donk said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499440) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499227) said:
@donk said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499213) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499170) said:
@aturkey said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498851) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498370) said:
@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498361) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498346) said:
Don't get why people need to crap on one of our promising rookies in Jake Simpkin all the time, let the kid develop and see how he goes. Clearly he's worth putting time into

If you like Liddle that doesn't mean you have to hate Jake Simpkin fellas, end of the day it's about the team not individuals ?

This is quite ironic. As soon as you criticise players like Simpkin or Hastings, it’s seen as unfair. Yet for players like Brooks, Noffa and Liddle, it’s open slather. To the point where a lot of it gets personal. I’ve seen Brooks called an imp, Noffa is constantly referred to as Nofoalooza. But it’s the ones who criticise darlings like Simpkin and Hastings that get called out for being unfair and should rein it in. Classic double standards.

The Simpkin thing is the same as brooks and Liddle . People built up their expectations , and when reality didn’t meet their fairytale , they turned on the player . It was obvious from 2017 brooks was destined for above average first grade half eg. Matt Orford career . But nope because he’s not the next Andrew johns , then he’s somehow a reserve grader ??
Same thing for Liddle and Simpkin is headed that way as well . They evaluate them on what they want them to be rather than what they are .

Brooks is a very average first grade half. He's in the bottom 4 for me and is a major reason why we remain average. This has nothing to do with me wanting him to be the next Johns although, wouldn't that be nice? Seriously, wouldn't it be nice if he had even a slither of the skill of Johns? I don't know why people are so passionate to defend mediocrity. These are professionals on loads of mon

Mate I’m not interested sorry . If you can’t see the forest from the trees , that’s on you . I’m not debating it . People who do this stuff for a living agree with me , to varying degrees I’m sure , but in general . That’s good enough for me. I tend to go an electrician for electrical faults . Or a plumber for water issues . And I don’t assume I know more than either . That’s the last thing I’m going to say . I hope you have a good night .

The varying degrees is the issue. Certainly not a rep level player. Not a finals player. He is perfectly average. Wins the odd game he shouldn’t. Loses a lot of games he shouldn’t.
That is not good enough for a lot of supporters. We want more from our halfback and fear we have given him a free career he would not have achieved elsewhere.
Our rebuild can only begin when he leaves.

We must be watching a different player. Brooks would get a start with many clubs who would be happy to build a side around him.

How many other halfbacks experienced the loss of quality players such as Tedesco, JAC, Simona, Moses, Matterson, Tapau, Woods, Sironen (perhaps Koroibete as well) without players of equal quality replacing them?. He is the one who stayed and is hammered for it.

Firstly, he stayed because no one else wanted him.
Secondly, he was crap when all those boys were here.
Thirdly, you cannot build a side around a voiceless introvert with middling talent.

Who would we replace him with who’d do a better job?
 
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499446) said:
@donk said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499440) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499227) said:
@donk said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499213) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499170) said:
@aturkey said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498851) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498370) said:
@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498361) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498346) said:
Don't get why people need to crap on one of our promising rookies in Jake Simpkin all the time, let the kid develop and see how he goes. Clearly he's worth putting time into

If you like Liddle that doesn't mean you have to hate Jake Simpkin fellas, end of the day it's about the team not individuals ?

This is quite ironic. As soon as you criticise players like Simpkin or Hastings, it’s seen as unfair. Yet for players like Brooks, Noffa and Liddle, it’s open slather. To the point where a lot of it gets personal. I’ve seen Brooks called an imp, Noffa is constantly referred to as Nofoalooza. But it’s the ones who criticise darlings like Simpkin and Hastings that get called out for being unfair and should rein it in. Classic double standards.

The Simpkin thing is the same as brooks and Liddle . People built up their expectations , and when reality didn’t meet their fairytale , they turned on the player . It was obvious from 2017 brooks was destined for above average first grade half eg. Matt Orford career . But nope because he’s not the next Andrew johns , then he’s somehow a reserve grader ??
Same thing for Liddle and Simpkin is headed that way as well . They evaluate them on what they want them to be rather than what they are .

Brooks is a very average first grade half. He's in the bottom 4 for me and is a major reason why we remain average. This has nothing to do with me wanting him to be the next Johns although, wouldn't that be nice? Seriously, wouldn't it be nice if he had even a slither of the skill of Johns? I don't know why people are so passionate to defend mediocrity. These are professionals on loads of mon

Mate I’m not interested sorry . If you can’t see the forest from the trees , that’s on you . I’m not debating it . People who do this stuff for a living agree with me , to varying degrees I’m sure , but in general . That’s good enough for me. I tend to go an electrician for electrical faults . Or a plumber for water issues . And I don’t assume I know more than either . That’s the last thing I’m going to say . I hope you have a good night .

The varying degrees is the issue. Certainly not a rep level player. Not a finals player. He is perfectly average. Wins the odd game he shouldn’t. Loses a lot of games he shouldn’t.
That is not good enough for a lot of supporters. We want more from our halfback and fear we have given him a free career he would not have achieved elsewhere.
Our rebuild can only begin when he leaves.

We must be watching a different player. Brooks would get a start with many clubs who would be happy to build a side around him.

How many other halfbacks experienced the loss of quality players such as Tedesco, JAC, Simona, Moses, Matterson, Tapau, Woods, Sironen (perhaps Koroibete as well) without players of equal quality replacing them?. He is the one who stayed and is hammered for it.

Firstly, he stayed because no one else wanted him.
Secondly, he was crap when all those boys were here.
Thirdly, you cannot build a side around a voiceless introvert with middling talent.

Cool man . Stop saying the same things over and over . Let it go . We don’t agree with you . I’m never going to agree with you ( I can’t speak for paws and others) . And most of the nrl doesn’t agree with you , regardless of what the fans are screaming about .
Think what you want . But stop repeating yourself , or keep it in the “we hate Luke brooks “ echo chamber thread .

You keep raising it sunshine. Please take your own advice.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499449) said:
@donk said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499440) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499227) said:
@donk said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499213) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499170) said:
@aturkey said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498851) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498370) said:
@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498361) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498346) said:
Don't get why people need to crap on one of our promising rookies in Jake Simpkin all the time, let the kid develop and see how he goes. Clearly he's worth putting time into

If you like Liddle that doesn't mean you have to hate Jake Simpkin fellas, end of the day it's about the team not individuals ?

This is quite ironic. As soon as you criticise players like Simpkin or Hastings, it’s seen as unfair. Yet for players like Brooks, Noffa and Liddle, it’s open slather. To the point where a lot of it gets personal. I’ve seen Brooks called an imp, Noffa is constantly referred to as Nofoalooza. But it’s the ones who criticise darlings like Simpkin and Hastings that get called out for being unfair and should rein it in. Classic double standards.

The Simpkin thing is the same as brooks and Liddle . People built up their expectations , and when reality didn’t meet their fairytale , they turned on the player . It was obvious from 2017 brooks was destined for above average first grade half eg. Matt Orford career . But nope because he’s not the next Andrew johns , then he’s somehow a reserve grader ??
Same thing for Liddle and Simpkin is headed that way as well . They evaluate them on what they want them to be rather than what they are .

Brooks is a very average first grade half. He's in the bottom 4 for me and is a major reason why we remain average. This has nothing to do with me wanting him to be the next Johns although, wouldn't that be nice? Seriously, wouldn't it be nice if he had even a slither of the skill of Johns? I don't know why people are so passionate to defend mediocrity. These are professionals on loads of mon

Mate I’m not interested sorry . If you can’t see the forest from the trees , that’s on you . I’m not debating it . People who do this stuff for a living agree with me , to varying degrees I’m sure , but in general . That’s good enough for me. I tend to go an electrician for electrical faults . Or a plumber for water issues . And I don’t assume I know more than either . That’s the last thing I’m going to say . I hope you have a good night .

The varying degrees is the issue. Certainly not a rep level player. Not a finals player. He is perfectly average. Wins the odd game he shouldn’t. Loses a lot of games he shouldn’t.
That is not good enough for a lot of supporters. We want more from our halfback and fear we have given him a free career he would not have achieved elsewhere.
Our rebuild can only begin when he leaves.

We must be watching a different player. Brooks would get a start with many clubs who would be happy to build a side around him.

How many other halfbacks experienced the loss of quality players such as Tedesco, JAC, Simona, Moses, Matterson, Tapau, Woods, Sironen (perhaps Koroibete as well) without players of equal quality replacing them?. He is the one who stayed and is hammered for it.

Firstly, he stayed because no one else wanted him.
Secondly, he was crap when all those boys were here.
Thirdly, you cannot build a side around a voiceless introvert with middling talent.

All three points are incorrect.

In your opinion.
 
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499169) said:
@bigsiro said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498875) said:
@aturkey said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498851) said:
@strongee said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498370) said:
@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498361) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1498346) said:
Don't get why people need to crap on one of our promising rookies in Jake Simpkin all the time, let the kid develop and see how he goes. Clearly he's worth putting time into

If you like Liddle that doesn't mean you have to hate Jake Simpkin fellas, end of the day it's about the team not individuals ?

This is quite ironic. As soon as you criticise players like Simpkin or Hastings, it’s seen as unfair. Yet for players like Brooks, Noffa and Liddle, it’s open slather. To the point where a lot of it gets personal. I’ve seen Brooks called an imp, Noffa is constantly referred to as Nofoalooza. But it’s the ones who criticise darlings like Simpkin and Hastings that get called out for being unfair and should rein it in. Classic double standards.

The Simpkin thing is the same as brooks and Liddle . People built up their expectations , and when reality didn’t meet their fairytale , they turned on the player . It was obvious from 2017 brooks was destined for above average first grade half eg. Matt Orford career . But nope because he’s not the next Andrew johns , then he’s somehow a reserve grader ??
Same thing for Liddle and Simpkin is headed that way as well . They evaluate them on what they want them to be rather than what they are .

Brooks is a very average first grade half. He's in the bottom 4 for me and is a major reason why we remain average. This has nothing to do with me wanting him to be the next Johns although, wouldn't that be nice? Seriously, wouldn't it be nice if he had even a slither of the skill of Johns? I don't know why people are so passionate to defend mediocrity. These are professionals on loads of money.

The reason people are passionate about him is simply because he wears our colours and people are used to seeing that. It’s a cognitive bias, like the endowment effect.
In any other organisation, or team, he would have been moved on years ago.
The fact that management have kept him on is completely unacceptable - it shows no desire. But there is no accountability here at WT and I’m not even sure now that Sheens will change that.
As for his passionate but ever-dwindling fan club, it’s not just wearing rose glasses. It’s a personality trait thing, in their refusal to accept they were wrong in their judgement of him, so they double down. That’s why for the most part you can’t convince them.

None of what you said is remotely true . I’ve laid out infinite reasons for why I think what I do about this , and you chose to continue to repeatedly ignore it . It’s you who has the bias. I don’t know how many times “first grade half” can be said , and in how many different ways . Somehow acknowledging hes not crap , is the same as saying you think he’s great . I’m so over talking to anti brooks brigade about this simple yet somehow lost in translation concept .
He’s not crap . He’s not great either . He needs to move on , and find success in a team with better players .
Spin that however you want . Just don’t talk to me about it . I’m not interested .

You have laid out “infinite reasons”?
Either an exaggeration or a lie
 
@bones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499430) said:
@gnr4life said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499421) said:
Hopefully it means we are giving Garner his walking papers. Need to do better than him.

To be honest I’d keep Garner over LL. At least after Garner got dropped his defence improved dramatically. LL is a massive liability in defence which cancels out his work with the ball IMO.

Having said that I’m not sure either are starters at too many other clubs.

Sorry but that would be a shocker ….. Garner is at best a bench player.
 
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1499383) said:
Isaiah Papali'i is a terrific player, he is definitely worth $600k. Massive motor, great passing game, defence and can play on an edge or on the middle. Hopefully we make an offer and be actually thinks about it

Luciano won't get $700k from anyone. Let him go to the open market and he will come crawling back asking for a reduced deal

Hopefully the Hodgson deal gets done. He and Raiders obviously don't get on and he'll be leaving so we can afford to hold out and play hardball with them

I'm not sure about this guy. He had a huge year this year no doubt, but I get a bit of the Tony Williams vibe about him.
 
The old chestnut, club offers you a offer on the low side, management get the Tigers in the mix with a very healthy offer, than your club upgrades their offer to somewhere close to the Tigers and you sign and stay put with your mates.
 
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