Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[goldcoast_tiger]

Stats don’t lie and with Klemmer you know he’s not a powder puff

He’s doubling the meters our forwards are getting, probably tripling a few too

We need an impact forward.

I don't know how keen the Bulldogs are to release people. I think Klemmer is happy with Jackson and Woodsie, it's a similar culture. Yes they are under a bit of cap pressure, but I think they can and will keep Klemmer.

I think Marty Taupau is the person to steal back. Manly are in dire straights and don't want to play Hastings. Swap Lolohea for Taupau and that will give Manly some cap space. Maybe throw Tim Grant in there too.

Why would Manly want to do us a favour; it would just give then a back and a forward that they’d want to move on after a few weeks they’re not that desperate.

 

[colmcd]

The thing about potential is that it means nothing if your recruitment team doesnt know what they are doing.

If you trust the guys whose job it is to identify future NRL talent that is all that matters.

At the moment and for the first time in many years i think we have a coach and a recruitment team that actually know what they are doing.

If they choose a Meaney then ill take it he has the goods.

"If you trust the guys whose job it is to identify future NRL talent that is all that matters."

Well it's more then that. We had JAC, clearly the best winger in the comp at the moment. But we could not bring out this potential in him with the Taylor training staff.

It's Talent + training/culture. That's why were going so much better this year with less talent.

 

[The_Patriot]

The thing about potential is that it means nothing if your recruitment team doesnt know what they are doing.

If you trust the guys whose job it is to identify future NRL talent that is all that matters.

At the moment and for the first time in many years i think we have a coach and a recruitment team that actually know what they are doing.

If they choose a Meaney then ill take it he has the goods.

"If you trust the guys whose job it is to identify future NRL talent that is all that matters."

Well it's more then that. We had JAC, clearly the best winger in the comp at the moment. But we could not bring out this potential in him with the Taylor training staff.

It's Talent + training/culture. That's why were going so much better this year with less talent.

I agree with what you are trying to say but not sure if it's right to say we have less talent.

I think what Ivan has recruited is a much better squad than the previous coach.

Other thing is recruitment doesn't end at getting them to the club, recruitment is also making pathways available for players you have brought over.

Something that did not happen in the AddoCarr case

 

[ancient_magpie]

Blind Freddie could have seen the potential in JAC .He would still be with us if that idiot Taylor had tried to resign him.He was killing it in ISP every week and in FG when given the chance .Thank God Taylors gone I dont know what Easts see in him

 

[TYGA]

Rona would add a tall outside back which will give us more options. I don’t know why we aren’t at least being linked to edge forwards outside of Lawrence we have no real quality MCK, McQueen, Rochow is close to the worst on the edges out of the top teams. It doesn’t look like Aloai is being considered out wide and clearly a middle forward bun Cleary.

 

[cochise]

Rona would add a tall outside back which will give us more options. I don’t know why we aren’t at least being linked to edge forwards outside of Lawrence we have no real quality MCK, McQueen, Rochow is close to the worst on the edges out of the top teams. It doesn’t look like Aloai is being considered out wide and clearly a middle forward bun Cleary.

Isn't it nice to see Lawrance spoken about as a quality player, I love that he is starting to get the respect he deserves.

 

[jirskyr]

The thing about potential is that it means nothing if your recruitment team doesnt know what they are doing.

If you trust the guys whose job it is to identify future NRL talent that is all that matters.

At the moment and for the first time in many years i think we have a coach and a recruitment team that actually know what they are doing.

If they choose a Meaney then ill take it he has the goods.

"If you trust the guys whose job it is to identify future NRL talent that is all that matters."

Well it's more then that. We had JAC, clearly the best winger in the comp at the moment. But we could not bring out this potential in him with the Taylor training staff.

It's Talent + training/culture. That's why were going so much better this year with less talent.

I don't understand the reference to JAC and I don't think you understand his timeline.

Tigers talent-spotted him and signed him up from the Sharks NYC team in 2015\. He debuted Rd 7 (17/Apr/16), which is hardly late in the season - not first choice, but an obvious second choice. He then played 8 more games beginning Round 11 (21/May). He ended up with 6 tries from 9 games.

JAC signed with Melbourne on 06/Jun, 7 weeks after his first-grade debut and the day after his 4th ever match.

So I don't know how you can accuse the Tigers of failing to "bring out the best" in JAC, because the bloke was selected in firsts, had a good strike rate for tries, but was already leaving the club after just a handful of matches. So then you aren't going to invest in him as aggressively and it's only his first year of grade anyway.

Frankly it's far from a good example of what you are talking about. Instead perhaps a better argument is Andrew Fifita, who couldn't stop running sideways for us but became the best prop in the comp at one point. Luke O'Donnell another footballer who did far better at another club.

 

[jirskyr]

Blind Freddie could have seen the potential in JAC .He would still be with us if that idiot Taylor had tried to resign him.He was killing it in ISP every week and in FG when given the chance .Thank God Taylors gone I dont know what Easts see in him

I'm not a JT defender, but just so you are aware, JT was head coach when JAC was poached from Sharks NYC. You can't really accuse the bloke of not spotting the potential in a guy he / his team raided from another club.

And just for the broken record, the story goes:
- JT selects Rankin at starting wing Rd 1 2016
- JAC wants a go in firsts, but also in fairness he has just come over from NYC
- JAC gets a run Rd 7, then again Rd 11, i.e. only took him 6 weeks to get a go in FG
- Tigers look to re-sign JAC after a good debut
- Marika Koroibete signs with super rugby 18/May/16
- Unconfirmed: but story says Pascoe made an offer to JAC in May before he went overseas and asked JAC's management to continue negotiations when he returned
- JAC has already entered into discussions with Melbourne May/16 and signs with them 06/Jun/16, i.e. 3 weeks after Storm officially lost Koroibete
- Unconfirmed: Pascoe gets back and gets frustrated with JAC, why he would sign so quickly with Melbourne. JAC has somewhat a change of heart and club and mgmt reach out to Melbourne to mediate. Melbourne offer to release JAC from his deal subject to a payout by Tigers, which is declined.

Pick someone else as the poster-boy for "the guy we let go", because with JAC it is pretty clear Tigers rated the guy enough to poach him from Sharks then start him within a few weeks, but also Storm lost Marika and aggressively targeted his replacement.

 

[teddy23]

Blind Freddie could have seen the potential in JAC .He would still be with us if that idiot Taylor had tried to resign him.He was killing it in ISP every week and in FG when given the chance .Thank God Taylors gone I dont know what Easts see in him

I'm not a JT defender, but just so you are aware, JT was head coach when JAC was poached from Sharks NYC. You can't really accuse the bloke of not spotting the potential in a guy he / his team raided from another club.

And just for the broken record, the story goes:
- JT selects Rankin at starting wing Rd 1 2016
- JAC wants a go in firsts, but also in fairness he has just come over from NYC
- JAC gets a run Rd 7, then again Rd 11, i.e. only took him 6 weeks to get a go in FG
- Tigers look to re-sign JAC after a good debut
- Marika Koroibete signs with super rugby 18/May/16
- Unconfirmed: but story says Pascoe made an offer to JAC in May before he went overseas and asked JAC's management to continue negotiations when he returned
- JAC has already entered into discussions with Melbourne May/16 and signs with them 06/Jun/16, i.e. 3 weeks after Storm officially lost Koroibete
- Unconfirmed: Pascoe gets back and gets frustrated with JAC, why he would sign so quickly with Melbourne. JAC has somewhat a change of heart and club and mgmt reach out to Melbourne to mediate. Melbourne offer to release JAC from his deal subject to a payout by Tigers, which is declined.

Pick someone else as the poster-boy for "the guy we let go", because with JAC it is pretty clear Tigers rated the guy enough to poach him from Sharks then start him within a few weeks, but also Storm lost Marika and aggressively targeted his replacement.

Mate at the end of the day the clueless coach that he was picked Rankin (a player who currently will never see NRL football again) over imo the best winger in the game and at the time was the far better option.

No need to look into it…. rankin was picked over Addo-Carr for majority of games. If I was JAC and the best team in the NRL are saying there’s a spot ready for me, over a team who’s picking a player like Rankin over me I’d leave too

JAC will play origin this year.... max next year

While Rankin stinks it up overseas

 

[jirskyr]

Blind Freddie could have seen the potential in JAC .He would still be with us if that idiot Taylor had tried to resign him.He was killing it in ISP every week and in FG when given the chance .Thank God Taylors gone I dont know what Easts see in him

I'm not a JT defender, but just so you are aware, JT was head coach when JAC was poached from Sharks NYC. You can't really accuse the bloke of not spotting the potential in a guy he / his team raided from another club.

And just for the broken record, the story goes:
- JT selects Rankin at starting wing Rd 1 2016
- JAC wants a go in firsts, but also in fairness he has just come over from NYC
- JAC gets a run Rd 7, then again Rd 11, i.e. only took him 6 weeks to get a go in FG
- Tigers look to re-sign JAC after a good debut
- Marika Koroibete signs with super rugby 18/May/16
- Unconfirmed: but story says Pascoe made an offer to JAC in May before he went overseas and asked JAC's management to continue negotiations when he returned
- JAC has already entered into discussions with Melbourne May/16 and signs with them 06/Jun/16, i.e. 3 weeks after Storm officially lost Koroibete
- Unconfirmed: Pascoe gets back and gets frustrated with JAC, why he would sign so quickly with Melbourne. JAC has somewhat a change of heart and club and mgmt reach out to Melbourne to mediate. Melbourne offer to release JAC from his deal subject to a payout by Tigers, which is declined.

Pick someone else as the poster-boy for "the guy we let go", because with JAC it is pretty clear Tigers rated the guy enough to poach him from Sharks then start him within a few weeks, but also Storm lost Marika and aggressively targeted his replacement.

Mate at the end of the day the clueless coach that he was picked Rankin (a player who currently will never see NRL football again) over imo the best winger in the game and at the time was the far better option.

No need to look into it…. rankin was picked over Addo-Carr for majority of games. If I was JAC and the best team in the NRL are saying there’s a spot ready for me, over a team who’s picking a player like Rankin over me I’d leave too

JAC will play origin this year.... max next year

While Rankin stinks it up overseas

Point I'm making is you didn't know that in Rd 1 2016, you didn't have any guarantee that JAC was going to do anything. Tigers wanted to keep him, but Storm made a strong offer.

Personally I feel a player debuting in Rd 7 of his first season after NYC is a pretty good achievement, not an indicator of an obstinate or clueless coach. I'm no JT fan but you have to approach these things with a bit of common sense. You're also assuming that if JT played JAC every week from Rd 1 that he never would have signed with the Storm, and we just don't (and won't ever) know that.

Rankin had played 17 NRL games and 50 ESL games, and was also being selected for utility value and goal-kicking. No he didn't turn out to be much of a footballer, but in terms of early-season selections, not the worst decision I've ever seen.

JAC was nobody in Rd 1 2016, and yeah he will probably play Origin this year, but that's 2.5 years later after playing with arguably the best coach of all time, in an all-conquering premiership side in 2017.

 

[Telltails]

Blind Freddie could have seen the potential in JAC .He would still be with us if that idiot Taylor had tried to resign him.He was killing it in ISP every week and in FG when given the chance .Thank God Taylors gone I dont know what Easts see in him

I'm not a JT defender, but just so you are aware, JT was head coach when JAC was poached from Sharks NYC. You can't really accuse the bloke of not spotting the potential in a guy he / his team raided from another club.

And just for the broken record, the story goes:
- JT selects Rankin at starting wing Rd 1 2016
- JAC wants a go in firsts, but also in fairness he has just come over from NYC
- JAC gets a run Rd 7, then again Rd 11, i.e. only took him 6 weeks to get a go in FG
- Tigers look to re-sign JAC after a good debut
- Marika Koroibete signs with super rugby 18/May/16
- Unconfirmed: but story says Pascoe made an offer to JAC in May before he went overseas and asked JAC's management to continue negotiations when he returned
- JAC has already entered into discussions with Melbourne May/16 and signs with them 06/Jun/16, i.e. 3 weeks after Storm officially lost Koroibete
- Unconfirmed: Pascoe gets back and gets frustrated with JAC, why he would sign so quickly with Melbourne. JAC has somewhat a change of heart and club and mgmt reach out to Melbourne to mediate. Melbourne offer to release JAC from his deal subject to a payout by Tigers, which is declined.

Pick someone else as the poster-boy for "the guy we let go", because with JAC it is pretty clear Tigers rated the guy enough to poach him from Sharks then start him within a few weeks, but also Storm lost Marika and aggressively targeted his replacement.

Mate at the end of the day the clueless coach that he was picked Rankin (a player who currently will never see NRL football again) over imo the best winger in the game and at the time was the far better option.

No need to look into it…. rankin was picked over Addo-Carr for majority of games. If I was JAC and the best team in the NRL are saying there’s a spot ready for me, over a team who’s picking a player like Rankin over me I’d leave too

JAC will play origin this year.... max next year

While Rankin stinks it up overseas

If we really rated him we would have offered more than one year when we signed him and not played him second fiddle to Rankin.
Bellamy chased him and put him in FG from the get go -along with his supposed deficiencies - and he hasnt looke back since.
You can make all the excuses in the world why it happened but he was in our grasp and we slipped up.

 

[balmain boy]

Robson in our ISP team looks very promising

I would sign both Garner and Robson to NRL contracts, either this season or next. Both seem to be players who work hard and make things happen.

Robson reminds me a lot of Mitch Aubusson. A very versatile player who can do a very good job wherever he plays. Centre, back row, hooker and back row.

 

[teddy23]

Blind Freddie could have seen the potential in JAC .He would still be with us if that idiot Taylor had tried to resign him.He was killing it in ISP every week and in FG when given the chance .Thank God Taylors gone I dont know what Easts see in him

I'm not a JT defender, but just so you are aware, JT was head coach when JAC was poached from Sharks NYC. You can't really accuse the bloke of not spotting the potential in a guy he / his team raided from another club.

And just for the broken record, the story goes:
- JT selects Rankin at starting wing Rd 1 2016
- JAC wants a go in firsts, but also in fairness he has just come over from NYC
- JAC gets a run Rd 7, then again Rd 11, i.e. only took him 6 weeks to get a go in FG
- Tigers look to re-sign JAC after a good debut
- Marika Koroibete signs with super rugby 18/May/16
- Unconfirmed: but story says Pascoe made an offer to JAC in May before he went overseas and asked JAC's management to continue negotiations when he returned
- JAC has already entered into discussions with Melbourne May/16 and signs with them 06/Jun/16, i.e. 3 weeks after Storm officially lost Koroibete
- Unconfirmed: Pascoe gets back and gets frustrated with JAC, why he would sign so quickly with Melbourne. JAC has somewhat a change of heart and club and mgmt reach out to Melbourne to mediate. Melbourne offer to release JAC from his deal subject to a payout by Tigers, which is declined.

Pick someone else as the poster-boy for "the guy we let go", because with JAC it is pretty clear Tigers rated the guy enough to poach him from Sharks then start him within a few weeks, but also Storm lost Marika and aggressively targeted his replacement.

Mate at the end of the day the clueless coach that he was picked Rankin (a player who currently will never see NRL football again) over imo the best winger in the game and at the time was the far better option.

No need to look into it…. rankin was picked over Addo-Carr for majority of games. If I was JAC and the best team in the NRL are saying there’s a spot ready for me, over a team who’s picking a player like Rankin over me I’d leave too

JAC will play origin this year.... max next year

While Rankin stinks it up overseas

Point I'm making is you didn't know that in Rd 1 2016, you didn't have any guarantee that JAC was going to do anything. Tigers wanted to keep him, but Storm made a strong offer.

Personally I feel a player debuting in Rd 7 of his first season after NYC is a pretty good achievement, not an indicator of an obstinate or clueless coach. I'm no JT fan but you have to approach these things with a bit of common sense. You're also assuming that if JT played JAC every week from Rd 1 that he never would have signed with the Storm, and we just don't (and won't ever) know that.

Rankin had played 17 NRL games and 50 ESL games, and was also being selected for utility value and goal-kicking. No he didn't turn out to be much of a footballer, but in terms of early-season selections, not the worst decision I've ever seen.

JAC was nobody in Rd 1 2016, and yeah he will probably play Origin this year, but that's 2.5 years later after playing with arguably the best coach of all time, in an all-conquering premiership side in 2017.

I’m not going against the idea no one expected him to get picked round 1, the problem was we lacked pace and attacking threat especially with Rankin and everyone on this forum could see the potential JAC had and it took them 7 weeks to give him a go which isn’t necessarily bad.

But when he gets selected and also proves he can do it a hell of a lot better than Rankin in round 7 and looking much better in attack, what does our coach do….. he gets him dropped and doesn’t come back until a month later and so on

I’m sorry but no one can justify the way JT selected the side between Rankin and JAC

 

[The_Patriot]

So many words but a very simple truth.

Addo Carrs pathway was blocked by coaches favorite Jordan Rankin.

If it was my son id ship him off to another club quick smart.

 

[The_Patriot]

I'm not a JT defender, but just so you are aware, JT was head coach when JAC was poached from Sharks NYC. You can't really accuse the bloke of not spotting the potential in a guy he / his team raided from another club.

And just for the broken record, the story goes:
- JT selects Rankin at starting wing Rd 1 2016
- JAC wants a go in firsts, but also in fairness he has just come over from NYC
- JAC gets a run Rd 7, then again Rd 11, i.e. only took him 6 weeks to get a go in FG
- Tigers look to re-sign JAC after a good debut
- Marika Koroibete signs with super rugby 18/May/16
- Unconfirmed: but story says Pascoe made an offer to JAC in May before he went overseas and asked JAC's management to continue negotiations when he returned
- JAC has already entered into discussions with Melbourne May/16 and signs with them 06/Jun/16, i.e. 3 weeks after Storm officially lost Koroibete
- Unconfirmed: Pascoe gets back and gets frustrated with JAC, why he would sign so quickly with Melbourne. JAC has somewhat a change of heart and club and mgmt reach out to Melbourne to mediate. Melbourne offer to release JAC from his deal subject to a payout by Tigers, which is declined.

Pick someone else as the poster-boy for "the guy we let go", because with JAC it is pretty clear Tigers rated the guy enough to poach him from Sharks then start him within a few weeks, but also Storm lost Marika and aggressively targeted his replacement.

Mate at the end of the day the clueless coach that he was picked Rankin (a player who currently will never see NRL football again) over imo the best winger in the game and at the time was the far better option.

No need to look into it…. rankin was picked over Addo-Carr for majority of games. If I was JAC and the best team in the NRL are saying there’s a spot ready for me, over a team who’s picking a player like Rankin over me I’d leave too

JAC will play origin this year.... max next year

While Rankin stinks it up overseas

Point I'm making is you didn't know that in Rd 1 2016, you didn't have any guarantee that JAC was going to do anything. Tigers wanted to keep him, but Storm made a strong offer.

Personally I feel a player debuting in Rd 7 of his first season after NYC is a pretty good achievement, not an indicator of an obstinate or clueless coach. I'm no JT fan but you have to approach these things with a bit of common sense. You're also assuming that if JT played JAC every week from Rd 1 that he never would have signed with the Storm, and we just don't (and won't ever) know that.

Rankin had played 17 NRL games and 50 ESL games, and was also being selected for utility value and goal-kicking. No he didn't turn out to be much of a footballer, but in terms of early-season selections, not the worst decision I've ever seen.

JAC was nobody in Rd 1 2016, and yeah he will probably play Origin this year, but that's 2.5 years later after playing with arguably the best coach of all time, in an all-conquering premiership side in 2017.

I’m not going against the idea no one expected him to get picked round 1, the problem was we lacked pace and attacking threat especially with Rankin and everyone on this forum could see the potential JAC had and it took them 7 weeks to give him a go which isn’t necessarily bad.

But when he gets selected and also proves he can do it a hell of a lot better than Rankin in round 7 and looking much better in attack, what does our coach do….. he gets him dropped and doesn’t come back until a month later and so on

I’m sorry but no one can justify the way JT selected the side between Rankin and JAC

100% correct Teddy.

Good luck though, some people just wont ever see it that way.

 

[TYGA]

Rona would add a tall outside back which will give us more options. I don’t know why we aren’t at least being linked to edge forwards outside of Lawrence we have no real quality MCK, McQueen, Rochow is close to the worst on the edges out of the top teams. It doesn’t look like Aloai is being considered out wide and clearly a middle forward bun Cleary.

Isn't it nice to see Lawrance spoken about as a quality player, I love that he is starting to get the respect he deserves.

Before this season I was not of the same view. Not being biased here but he is more deserving of the left second row position than Boyd Cordner.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Another point re JAC. He was a bit loose with us - maybe immature. Our coaching staff didn’t appear to do anything to nurture him. He goes to Storm and Bellamy pulls him aside day 1 and tells him - no lairs at Melbourne, it’s all about the team. JAC responds to this and we now see the fruits of this approach. Bellamy vs Taylor ….. don’t make me laugh

 

[happy_tiger]

Mate at the end of the day the clueless coach that he was picked Rankin (a player who currently will never see NRL football again) over imo the best winger in the game and at the time was the far better option.

No need to look into it…. rankin was picked over Addo-Carr for majority of games. If I was JAC and the best team in the NRL are saying there’s a spot ready for me, over a team who’s picking a player like Rankin over me I’d leave too

JAC will play origin this year.... max next year

While Rankin stinks it up overseas

Point I'm making is you didn't know that in Rd 1 2016, you didn't have any guarantee that JAC was going to do anything. Tigers wanted to keep him, but Storm made a strong offer.

Personally I feel a player debuting in Rd 7 of his first season after NYC is a pretty good achievement, not an indicator of an obstinate or clueless coach. I'm no JT fan but you have to approach these things with a bit of common sense. You're also assuming that if JT played JAC every week from Rd 1 that he never would have signed with the Storm, and we just don't (and won't ever) know that.

Rankin had played 17 NRL games and 50 ESL games, and was also being selected for utility value and goal-kicking. No he didn't turn out to be much of a footballer, but in terms of early-season selections, not the worst decision I've ever seen.

JAC was nobody in Rd 1 2016, and yeah he will probably play Origin this year, but that's 2.5 years later after playing with arguably the best coach of all time, in an all-conquering premiership side in 2017.

I’m not going against the idea no one expected him to get picked round 1, the problem was we lacked pace and attacking threat especially with Rankin and everyone on this forum could see the potential JAC had and it took them 7 weeks to give him a go which isn’t necessarily bad.

But when he gets selected and also proves he can do it a hell of a lot better than Rankin in round 7 and looking much better in attack, what does our coach do….. he gets him dropped and doesn’t come back until a month later and so on

I’m sorry but no one can justify the way JT selected the side between Rankin and JAC

100% correct Teddy.

Good luck though, some people just wont ever see it that way.

People forget that Rankin was 1st choice kicker at the time

We let Fifita go , every club has horror stories

Look at the Broncos , they let Hunt go ,Arrow go , Wallace go etc and they have the master coach …..

 

[larrycorowa]

From my understanding fox was encouraged by family to sign with Bellamy (he’ll make you a star). At that stage our club was a basket case for a range of reasons….I think he has made the right decision. No point rehashing this....we are a different club.

 

[Strider]

We could really do with JAC now, can you imagine the difference he would make? Damn.