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vlad said:
If O’Brien wants Brooks that bad we should do a deal .
Maybe get Klemmer or Best ( or both ) in return .
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That's not how it works though
The clubs have no sway in trades that's why trades just don't happen.

The player, players manager, RPLA, NRL, Sponsors etc all need to be involved.

A new contract for both players get drawn up with means brand new contractual terms are agreed ($$ length, conditions etc) and then for a trade to happen both players would need to move at the same time. We are then talking homes, kids school (if applicable), partners work, family & other support networks + need TPA/Sponsor agreements etc which aren't signed via the club but player directly.

People think trades are easy but they just aren't which is why all the trade talk was BS.

If Brooks was to go to the Knights it would be on a release and the only guarantee would be we get a roster spot and cap benefit for next year which adds zero benefit to us given we have an abundance of cap & roster spots already available to fill
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
That's not how it works though
The clubs have no sway in trades that's why trades just don't happen.

The player, players manager, RPLA, NRL, Sponsors etc all need to be involved.

A new contract for both players get drawn up with means brand new contractual terms are agreed ($$ length, conditions etc) and then for a trade to happen both players would need to move at the same time. We are then talking homes, kids school (if applicable), partners work, family & other support networks + need TPA/Sponsor agreements etc which aren't signed via the club but player directly.

People think trades are easy but they just aren't which is why all the trade talk was BS.

If Brooks was to go to the Knights it would be on a release and the only guarantee would be we get a roster spot and cap benefit for next year which adds zero benefit to us given we have an abundance of cap & roster spots already available to fill
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Clubs absolutely have a "sway" in trades. It may not be easy, but if Newcastle want Brooks we just have to say "we will entertain the idea if we get player X". It's then up to Newcastle to enquire if player X has any interest. If so, then negotiations heat up and we see if an arrangement can be made that makes all happy.

I imagine it would be a very difficult process and negotiation, but clubs certainly can have a lot to do with it.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
People think trades are easy but they just aren't which is why all the trade talk was BS.
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Agreed. I asked at one point for a list of the trades that have occurred in the NRL. They happen significantly less times than the Tigers make the finals.

It's fantasy talk. It's not reality.

Same as getting Hass or Korobiete.
 
Ok this might go down like a bag of cement for some but if, and a big IF, Papaali wants out of the contract, I'd be supportive if the Club can win out of it.

What I mean is that the club he goes to or stays at (let's say the Warriors or Eels as mentioned) provide an outcome better than IP coming.

Eels - Shaun Lane + Will Penisini for 2022 onwards (both off contract 2023)
Warriors - Josh Curran on lower contract than IP (I reckon he will be better than IP and has the type of attitude we need). Then we use the $$$ we save to land another experienced backrower John Bateman or Tyson Frizell.

The only way out that will be acceptable is if Wests Tigers win out of the deal otherwise the club will be crucified.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
That's not how it works though
The clubs have no sway in trades that's why trades just don't happen.

The player, players manager, RPLA, NRL, Sponsors etc all need to be involved.

A new contract for both players get drawn up with means brand new contractual terms are agreed ($$ length, conditions etc) and then for a trade to happen both players would need to move at the same time. We are then talking homes, kids school (if applicable), partners work, family & other support networks + need TPA/Sponsor agreements etc which aren't signed via the club but player directly.

People think trades are easy but they just aren't which is why all the trade talk was BS.

If Brooks was to go to the Knights it would be on a release and the only guarantee would be we get a roster spot and cap benefit for next year which adds zero benefit to us given we have an abundance of cap & roster spots already available to fill
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In much bigger sports than rugby league , trades & player movements happen immediately . They move states & countries in a heartbeat .

What’s BS is signing players 12 months in advance . Ipap needs a year to go from Parramatta to Concord . Lol .

If players don’t like professional sports go get a job in a factory .
 
king_sirro said:
Clubs absolutely have a "sway" in trades. It may not be easy, but if Newcastle want Brooks we just have to say "we will entertain the idea if we get player X". It's then up to Newcastle to enquire if player X has any interest. If so, then negotiations heat up and we see if an arrangement can be made that makes all happy.

I imagine it would be a very difficult process and negotiation, but clubs certainly can have a lot to do with it.
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Lets be real the clubs have a say, sure - if a club asks for player x and the existing club wants them then it won’t happen.

But even if they go yes player x could be traded they actually don’t have the definitive decision as to if it happens and the process to make it happen is extremely complex. This is even harder when you’re talking about significant deals.

It’s hard enough to release a player not wanted by a club on the books at inflated prices let alone trying to swap them.
 
BlackWhiteGold said:
Ok this might go down like a bag of cement for some but if, and a big IF, Papaali wants out of the contract, I'd be supportive if the Club can win out of it.

What I mean is that the club he goes to or stays at (let's say the Warriors or Eels as mentioned) provide an outcome better than IP coming.

Eels - Shaun Lane + Will Penisini for 2022 onwards (both off contract 2023)
Warriors - Josh Curran on lower contract than IP (I reckon he will be better than IP and has the type of attitude we need). Then we use the $$$ we save to land another experienced backrower John Bateman or Tyson Frizell.

The only way out that will be acceptable is if Wests Tigers win out of the deal otherwise the club will be crucified.
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We keep IP and build around him as you do with Laurie and Brooks.
 
vlad said:
In much bigger sports than rugby league , trades & player movements happen immediately . They move states & countries in a heartbeat .

What’s BS is signing players 12 months in advance . Ipap needs a year to go from Parramatta to Concord . Lol .

If players don’t like professional sports go get a job in a factory .
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100% agree in alot of other sports its easy.
It’s also alot easier when a player wants the move.

Same as alot of sports have drafts as well.

Rugby league is just a red tape sport which is why a trade is actually difficult.

Let’s face it if you’re a good player who would actively want to move to the Tigers unless it didn’t involve commercial terms being very favorable for them especially when there are a fair few clubs now with cash for next 2yrs available in Sydney area
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Lets be real the clubs have a say, sure - if a club asks for player x and the existing club wants them then it won’t happen.

But even if they go yes player x could be traded they actually don’t have the definitive decision as to if it happens and the process to make it happen is extremely complex. This is even harder when you’re talking about significant deals.

It’s hard enough to release a player not wanted by a club on the books at inflated prices let alone trying to swap them.
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I think that's what I said mate
 
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