Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[momo_amp_medo]

Seems a fair price for Hetherington. Not sure what people expect to pay these days.

You want quality you pay. That's how it works.

For me he’s not that Mitch quality.
But obviously they think otherwise.

 

[frullens]

The Wests Tigers Name/Brand and Logo are controlled trademarks of the ARL Commission,
hence they cannot be re-named or altered

Ive heard before that the name and logo is protected. But is there a way the board can update the logo? It's so early 2000's

Would love to see some a bit more simple/classic and most importantly confident and know who we are.

South and Roosters have got it right.

The club do you 2 alternative logos on merch and promos which look good:
- ones the existing logo with the claws removed and placed in a shield
- the other is a WT in a shield

Sorry i know logos shouldnt be in this thread, but presentation of the club is important in attracting players
Plus it's fairly quiet on the signings....

 

[BAGNF05]

Campbell Graham has openly admitted he’d love to play at Leichhardt. Here’s one I think could work for all parties.

JAC to Souths
CG to Tigers
Talau to Storm

I know I’d rather CG than Talau and I assume JAC wants to play at Souths. Storm seem keen on Talau

 

[Goldust]

The Wests Tigers Name/Brand and Logo are controlled trademarks of the ARL Commission,
hence they cannot be re-named or altered

Ive heard before that the name and logo is protected. But is there a way the board can update the logo? It's so early 2000's

Would love to see some a bit more simple/classic and most importantly confident and know who we are.

South and Roosters have got it right.

The club do you 2 alternative logos on merch and promos which look good:
- ones the existing logo with the claws removed and placed in a shield
- the other is a WT in a shield

Sorry i know logos shouldnt be in this thread, but presentation of the club is important in attracting players
Plus it's fairly quiet on the signings....

Couldn’t agree more 🔥
Bulldogs,eels,panthers and Sharks all ditched their 2000’s logo

 

[frullens]

IMHO, any extra (high) value contract shall have a clause -
the basic contract is on e.g. 400k, anything over that is paid if a player:
- meets his KPIs at least 80% of the year (e.g. 200k max);
- the team wins GF (100k);
- the team is in the top 4 (100k).

I like this.
But issue is you need to allow space in the cap each year for the total potential pay, otherwise you have a good year, win the GF, but breach the cap and lose the premiership. 🙂

So even if we are playing player less, we are still penalised by having to left the space in the cap for the potential pay.

Also we get the cap each year and need to spend it, there's also a minimum spend cap

 

[the_third]

Campbell Graham has openly admitted he’d love to play at Leichhardt. Here’s one I think could work for all parties.

JAC to Souths
CG to Tigers
Talau to Storm

I know I’d rather CG than Talau and I assume JAC wants to play at Souths. Storm seem keen on Talau

Seriously you take CG and miss JAC and lose TT - must be a Souths fan to want that one.

CG looks only ok surrounded by all stars, he would offer nothing here

 

[Balmainian]

Campbell Graham has openly admitted he’d love to play at Leichhardt. Here’s one I think could work for all parties.

JAC to Souths
CG to Tigers
Talau to Storm

I know I’d rather CG than Talau and I assume JAC wants to play at Souths. Storm seem keen on Talau

Seriously you take CG and miss JAC and lose TT - must be a Souths fan to want that one.

CG looks only ok surrounded by all stars, he would offer nothing here

Talau is our best value for money player, he’s also That someone Who has speed and a vintage return crashing into the D wall, he would be the last guy I would trade.

 

[cochise]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

Because 3rd party deals are between the player and the 3rd party..Are you saying Musashi and Gatorade wouldn't provide Cameron Munster a deal to promote their products if he didn't play for the Storm..?

I'm saying that those deals need to be regulated and have a proportional limit of the total value of the player's contract that those deals attract.

I can't wait to see an NRL player promote Buxom Bella's Therapy Services of Leumeah as part of their 3rd/4th party deal!!!

They have to be registered with the NRL and approved..

And, is there some way that we, the punters, would know exactly how much a player is paid, both within the salary cap and from external sponsors?

Not just a total, but a breakdown of all sources of income that constitute their annual payments as a professional NRL player? Does that exist?

Is your wage published anywhere?

 

[ElleryHanley]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

Because 3rd party deals are between the player and the 3rd party..Are you saying Musashi and Gatorade wouldn't provide Cameron Munster a deal to promote their products if he didn't play for the Storm..?

I'm saying that those deals need to be regulated and have a proportional limit of the total value of the player's contract that those deals attract.

I can't wait to see an NRL player promote Buxom Bella's Therapy Services of Leumeah as part of their 3rd/4th party deal!!!

They have to be registered with the NRL and approved..

And, is there some way that we, the punters, would know exactly how much a player is paid, both within the salary cap and from external sponsors?

Not just a total, but a breakdown of all sources of income that constitute their annual payments as a professional NRL player? Does that exist?

Is your wage published anywhere?

Public servants levels of pay are...teachers, police are...and it is the absolute norm for all comps featuring salary caps abroad...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Personally, I feel it should be published in a salary cap controlled sport.

Fans deserve the right to know what impact a player will have on their future expectations. For example, if Tamou is coming here for 350 a year it is a great deal. If he is coming for 550 a year, it is an entirely different debate. Fans, ultimately, fund sport and everywhere else that is acknowledged.

 

[cochise]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

If they have no link to the club then no I don't have a problem with it. If you stop it you would be preventing players from having endorsements and using their image for advertising which I believe is wrong.

I don't belive it's wrong at all. They are contracted to a club affiliated with the NRL. They should not be able to promote or endorse or earn income from an entity that is not.

Seriously? As soon as the NRL did that then companies would start using other sports stars to promote their products, you would essentially be turning money away from the sport and increasing the earning capacity of AFL, Rugby and Soccer players. That would cause massive damage to the game.

 

[batboy]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

Because 3rd party deals are between the player and the 3rd party..Are you saying Musashi and Gatorade wouldn't provide Cameron Munster a deal to promote their products if he didn't play for the Storm..?

I'm saying that those deals need to be regulated and have a proportional limit of the total value of the player's contract that those deals attract.

I can't wait to see an NRL player promote Buxom Bella's Therapy Services of Leumeah as part of their 3rd/4th party deal!!!

They have to be registered with the NRL and approved..

And, is there some way that we, the punters, would know exactly how much a player is paid, both within the salary cap and from external sponsors?

Not just a total, but a breakdown of all sources of income that constitute their annual payments as a professional NRL player? Does that exist?

Is your wage published anywhere?

What planet are you on?
Not only are most peoples wages published and readily available.
We have governments and industrys' who dictate what they are....

 

[cochise]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

Because 3rd party deals are between the player and the 3rd party..Are you saying Musashi and Gatorade wouldn't provide Cameron Munster a deal to promote their products if he didn't play for the Storm..?

I'm saying that those deals need to be regulated and have a proportional limit of the total value of the player's contract that those deals attract.

I can't wait to see an NRL player promote Buxom Bella's Therapy Services of Leumeah as part of their 3rd/4th party deal!!!

They have to be registered with the NRL and approved..

And, is there some way that we, the punters, would know exactly how much a player is paid, both within the salary cap and from external sponsors?

Not just a total, but a breakdown of all sources of income that constitute their annual payments as a professional NRL player? Does that exist?

Is your wage published anywhere?

Public servants levels of pay are...teachers, police are...and it is the absolute norm for all comps featuring salary caps abroad...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Personally, I feel it should be published in a salary cap controlled sport.

Fans deserve the right to know what impact a player will have on their future expectations. For example, if Tamou is coming here for 350 a year it is a great deal. If he is coming for 550 a year, it is an entirely different debate. Fans, ultimately, fund sport and everywhere else that is acknowledged.

I'm a teacher, I know that my salary is publicly available. Difference is it is a set wage and not in a salary competitive environment. I am a fan of the NFL and published salaries makes negotiations harder for clubs as players use previous players contracts as a measuring stick.

 

[frullens]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

Because 3rd party deals are between the player and the 3rd party..Are you saying Musashi and Gatorade wouldn't provide Cameron Munster a deal to promote their products if he didn't play for the Storm..?

I'm saying that those deals need to be regulated and have a proportional limit of the total value of the player's contract that those deals attract.

I can't wait to see an NRL player promote Buxom Bella's Therapy Services of Leumeah as part of their 3rd/4th party deal!!!

They have to be registered with the NRL and approved..

And, is there some way that we, the punters, would know exactly how much a player is paid, both within the salary cap and from external sponsors?

Not just a total, but a breakdown of all sources of income that constitute their annual payments as a professional NRL player? Does that exist?

Is your wage published anywhere?

Public servants levels of pay are...teachers, police are...and it is the absolute norm for all comps featuring salary caps abroad...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Personally, I feel it should be published in a salary cap controlled sport.

Fans deserve the right to know what impact a player will have on their future expectations. For example, if Tamou is coming here for 350 a year it is a great deal. If he is coming for 550 a year, it is an entirely different debate. Fans, ultimately, fund sport and everywhere else that is acknowledged.

I agree.
The players salary and the tally to the cap should be published.

Given the impact it has on every club, I'm surprised it isn't more sophisticated discussion on the cap in the media.

 

[cochise]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

Because 3rd party deals are between the player and the 3rd party..Are you saying Musashi and Gatorade wouldn't provide Cameron Munster a deal to promote their products if he didn't play for the Storm..?

I'm saying that those deals need to be regulated and have a proportional limit of the total value of the player's contract that those deals attract.

I can't wait to see an NRL player promote Buxom Bella's Therapy Services of Leumeah as part of their 3rd/4th party deal!!!

They have to be registered with the NRL and approved..

And, is there some way that we, the punters, would know exactly how much a player is paid, both within the salary cap and from external sponsors?

Not just a total, but a breakdown of all sources of income that constitute their annual payments as a professional NRL player? Does that exist?

Is your wage published anywhere?

What planet are you on?
Not only are most peoples wages published and readily available.
We have governments and industrys' who dictate what they are....

Yes but that is a different situations to the private sector and there is no competition in those salary markets.

 

[BAGNF05]

Campbell Graham has openly admitted he’d love to play at Leichhardt. Here’s one I think could work for all parties.

JAC to Souths
CG to Tigers
Talau to Storm

I know I’d rather CG than Talau and I assume JAC wants to play at Souths. Storm seem keen on Talau

Seriously you take CG and miss JAC and lose TT - must be a Souths fan to want that one.

CG looks only ok surrounded by all stars, he would offer nothing here

Come on! Don’t be surprised if he is shaking hands with Brad Fittler in a week or two. Along with JAC. Talau might get there one day.

 

[Tiger5150]

Could you imagine any of the elite clubs dealing with this? They wouldn't put themselves in this position in the first place.
BTW think the fault is collaborative at this point.

It pretty easy to imagine elite clubs dealing with it. As you mentioned Brisbane have Bird and Milford that they would love to get rid of. Darius as well but his time is up.

Souffs had to get rid of Burgess & Inglis (dodgey methods) and want to get rid of James Roberts now as well.

 

[frullens]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

Because 3rd party deals are between the player and the 3rd party..Are you saying Musashi and Gatorade wouldn't provide Cameron Munster a deal to promote their products if he didn't play for the Storm..?

I'm saying that those deals need to be regulated and have a proportional limit of the total value of the player's contract that those deals attract.

I can't wait to see an NRL player promote Buxom Bella's Therapy Services of Leumeah as part of their 3rd/4th party deal!!!

They have to be registered with the NRL and approved..

And, is there some way that we, the punters, would know exactly how much a player is paid, both within the salary cap and from external sponsors?

Not just a total, but a breakdown of all sources of income that constitute their annual payments as a professional NRL player? Does that exist?

Is your wage published anywhere?

Public servants levels of pay are...teachers, police are...and it is the absolute norm for all comps featuring salary caps abroad...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Personally, I feel it should be published in a salary cap controlled sport.

Fans deserve the right to know what impact a player will have on their future expectations. For example, if Tamou is coming here for 350 a year it is a great deal. If he is coming for 550 a year, it is an entirely different debate. Fans, ultimately, fund sport and everywhere else that is acknowledged.

I'm a teacher, I know that my salary is publicly available. Difference is it is a set wage and not in a salary competitive environment. I am a fan of the NFL and published salaries makes negotiations harder for clubs as players use previous players contracts as a measuring stick.

Most CEOs salaries are published and they are in a competitive environment.

I think most in club land have a fair idea of what players are paid and what they are worth. Don't think publishing wages will make a difference.

Also its not like the $ figures big money deals aren't mentioned in the media already.

 

[cochise]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

Because 3rd party deals are between the player and the 3rd party..Are you saying Musashi and Gatorade wouldn't provide Cameron Munster a deal to promote their products if he didn't play for the Storm..?

I'm saying that those deals need to be regulated and have a proportional limit of the total value of the player's contract that those deals attract.

I can't wait to see an NRL player promote Buxom Bella's Therapy Services of Leumeah as part of their 3rd/4th party deal!!!

They have to be registered with the NRL and approved..

And, is there some way that we, the punters, would know exactly how much a player is paid, both within the salary cap and from external sponsors?

Not just a total, but a breakdown of all sources of income that constitute their annual payments as a professional NRL player? Does that exist?

Is your wage published anywhere?

Public servants levels of pay are...teachers, police are...and it is the absolute norm for all comps featuring salary caps abroad...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Personally, I feel it should be published in a salary cap controlled sport.

Fans deserve the right to know what impact a player will have on their future expectations. For example, if Tamou is coming here for 350 a year it is a great deal. If he is coming for 550 a year, it is an entirely different debate. Fans, ultimately, fund sport and everywhere else that is acknowledged.

I'm a teacher, I know that my salary is publicly available. Difference is it is a set wage and not in a salary competitive environment. I am a fan of the NFL and published salaries makes negotiations harder for clubs as players use previous players contracts as a measuring stick.

Most CEOs salaries are published and they are in a competitive environment.

I think most in club land have a fair idea of what players are paid and what they are worth. Don't think publishing wages will make a difference.

Also its not like the $ figures big money deals aren't mentioned in the media already.

The guesses are reported in the media, there is a story going around regarding JAC finding out about other players salaries while playing for Australia and that being the reason he is agitating for the release from Melbourne. Publishing salaries would increase the likelihood of that occurring, I'm not saying that the NRL shouldn't publish salaries just pointing out there are consequences of that happening. Its pointless anyway as the players don't want it so it is very unlikely to ever happen.

 

[Geo]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

Because 3rd party deals are between the player and the 3rd party..Are you saying Musashi and Gatorade wouldn't provide Cameron Munster a deal to promote their products if he didn't play for the Storm..?

I'm saying that those deals need to be regulated and have a proportional limit of the total value of the player's contract that those deals attract.

I can't wait to see an NRL player promote Buxom Bella's Therapy Services of Leumeah as part of their 3rd/4th party deal!!!

They have to be registered with the NRL and approved..

And, is there some way that we, the punters, would know exactly how much a player is paid, both within the salary cap and from external sponsors?

Not just a total, but a breakdown of all sources of income that constitute their annual payments as a professional NRL player? Does that exist?

Is your wage published anywhere?

Public servants levels of pay are...teachers, police are...and it is the absolute norm for all comps featuring salary caps abroad...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Personally, I feel it should be published in a salary cap controlled sport.

Fans deserve the right to know what impact a player will have on their future expectations. For example, if Tamou is coming here for 350 a year it is a great deal. If he is coming for 550 a year, it is an entirely different debate. Fans, ultimately, fund sport and everywhere else that is acknowledged.

I'm a teacher, I know that my salary is publicly available. Difference is it is a set wage and not in a salary competitive environment. I am a fan of the NFL and published salaries makes negotiations harder for clubs as players use previous players contracts as a measuring stick.

Most CEOs salaries are published and they are in a competitive environment.

I think most in club land have a fair idea of what players are paid and what they are worth. Don't think publishing wages will make a difference.

Also its not like the $ figures big money deals aren't mentioned in the media already.

How much is Justin Pascoe on