Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[jirskyr]

So sharks get hynes and good chance of finucane, dogs get ado Carr and Burton and we're looking at Dwz. ?
We must be the basket case of basket cases

Canterbury have tried to buy a team and are finding out the hard way that that's not how it works. We learnt that lesson a few years ago with Cleary. Addo-Carr and Burton are fine acquisitions but I much prefer the way we are going about recruitment.

Just because Ivan made some poor recruitment decisions doesn't mean you shouldn't target excellent, established players. Burton and Addo-Carr are excellent signings. They're getting rid of Dallin because they have signed players who are an upgrade on him. The fact Dallin would walk right into our team is an indictment of our backline recruitment.

So true...Burton will make a massive difference next year. At present their spine is diabolical, they will be a different side next year

I'm very very interested to see how Burton goes when he is in the Bulldogs spine, rather than working off the current best-form spine in the comp the past 2 seasons.

Kyle Flanagan looked good enough at the Roosters too.

 

[jirskyr]

So sharks get hynes and good chance of finucane, dogs get ado Carr and Burton and we're looking at Dwz. ?
We must be the basket case of basket cases

Canterbury have tried to buy a team and are finding out the hard way that that's not how it works. We learnt that lesson a few years ago with Cleary. Addo-Carr and Burton are fine acquisitions but I much prefer the way we are going about recruitment.

Just because Ivan made some poor recruitment decisions doesn't mean you shouldn't target excellent, established players. Burton and Addo-Carr are excellent signings. They're getting rid of Dallin because they have signed players who are an upgrade on him. The fact Dallin would walk right into our team is an indictment of our backline recruitment.

Spot on.
Josh and Burton are great buys and would walk into our team. So would hynes.
We should be after finucane big time and if we miss out, questions should be asked. Especially if we are looking at dwz

You don't judge recruitment on players that you miss.

Why not?
You rate everything else to be a success on both ends of the equation, why not recruitment? If we are failing to sign players , we are doing something wrong.

You judge it on the players you do recruit as that is the only thing that is 100% in your control. Missing out on a player in not 100% in any clubs control.

I'm halfway there with you on this one but it sounds like something a bad recruiter would say. Has someone at the club said this?

No not at all, just my opinion. For example, if Munster came on the market and we attempted to sign him but missed out. I can accept that.

What I wouldn't be able to accept is if we turned around and signed Matt Moylan after that. I would want us to make a smart recruitment decision after that.

If Munster came on the market and we were chasing his signature, regardless of other teams, and we missed out, that is an absolute failure

Or you can count it as a failure, sure, but then it's a failure against 15 teams every time. Every signature made is a failure by the other 15 teams to land that same signature. Then keep adding up every club who didn't sign a specific player, you end up favouring the clubs that sign and lose high volumes of players.

Or your alternative is to then try and qualify each non-signing - how hard did we try (you will never know), did we try at all (you will never know for sure), how much did we offer under what terms (you won't know) etc.

I think the point @cochise is making is that because nobody here knows the true terms of potential negotiation with any player, you can't realistically judge the success or failure of any non-signing, because you don't really truly know what happened. It could be club culture, it could be reputation, it could be money, it could be personality clash, it could be the club changed their mind, it could be salary cap, injuries, better players came on market, change of mind etc. etc. etc.

 

[avocadoontoast]

So sharks get hynes and good chance of finucane, dogs get ado Carr and Burton and we're looking at Dwz. ?
We must be the basket case of basket cases

Canterbury have tried to buy a team and are finding out the hard way that that's not how it works. We learnt that lesson a few years ago with Cleary. Addo-Carr and Burton are fine acquisitions but I much prefer the way we are going about recruitment.

Just because Ivan made some poor recruitment decisions doesn't mean you shouldn't target excellent, established players. Burton and Addo-Carr are excellent signings. They're getting rid of Dallin because they have signed players who are an upgrade on him. The fact Dallin would walk right into our team is an indictment of our backline recruitment.

So true...Burton will make a massive difference next year. At present their spine is diabolical, they will be a different side next year

I'm very very interested to see how Burton goes when he is in the Bulldogs spine, rather than working off the current best-form spine in the comp the past 2 seasons.

Kyle Flanagan looked good enough at the Roosters too.

I don’t think the Rooster thought he looked too good given they dumped him.

Burton is a great talent and would benefit any team he plays in. I would have loved us to sign him.

 

[jirskyr]

Good luck to nicho Hynes getting those dollars but this time next year people will be saying what a waste of money besides Cronk how many players come out of that system and play well elsewhere

cronk and ingis and they are future immortals
that is about it

Tohu Harris
Israel Folau
Tino
Kimmorley
Widdop
Maloney
Proctor
Blake Green

It does happen.

Do you mean come into and out of the Storm system, or debut in the Storm system? Nicho Hynes is a Manly junior via centy coast and Mackay.

debut in storm system then move to another club.
Did forget Maloney he was pretty solid
I would say success stories
kimmorley won his comp with storm so would consider he never had the same success afterwards

Maloney
cronk
inglis

Tough on Kimmorley, he played Origin for 10 years after leaving Storm. Also he debuted at Newcastle then Mariners before Storm.

Kimmorley debutedfr kangaroos in 1999 whilst at the storm

My point is he didn't debut in the Storm system.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

So sharks get hynes and good chance of finucane, dogs get ado Carr and Burton and we're looking at Dwz. ?
We must be the basket case of basket cases

Canterbury have tried to buy a team and are finding out the hard way that that's not how it works. We learnt that lesson a few years ago with Cleary. Addo-Carr and Burton are fine acquisitions but I much prefer the way we are going about recruitment.

Just because Ivan made some poor recruitment decisions doesn't mean you shouldn't target excellent, established players. Burton and Addo-Carr are excellent signings. They're getting rid of Dallin because they have signed players who are an upgrade on him. The fact Dallin would walk right into our team is an indictment of our backline recruitment.

Spot on.
Josh and Burton are great buys and would walk into our team. So would hynes.
We should be after finucane big time and if we miss out, questions should be asked. Especially if we are looking at dwz

We have been missing out for a couple of years now I have asked the question many times still no answer

I know, it is depressing, IMHO Madge is far from an attraction, in fact I have seen stories on coaches players least like to play under, Madge features highly, also heard some players say it on FOX

I don't care. We've never been a marquee club. Our major success happened of the back of some brilliant kids.

Madge has been the best coach I've seen in relation to recruitment at the Tigers. To me that is his best attribute. They seem to be building a club for the future.

I wish we had signed a couple more juniors if anything. That Walsh kid and Burton are ones I'd wish we'd gotten.

Burton yes - Walsh has not proven anything that I have seen - except that he can throw forward passes and come down on peoples faces with his elbow. Looks like a "KAT" to me. Not in the same class as Burton, Walker or Suaalii.

Didn’t we try to swap Walters for Walsh , either last year during the season , or in the offseason. But we got no where ? I think Laurie is better IMO. AD scores at the end of that game , and the the Laurie line break just before it becomes the talking point , not a few cutout balls to players that should have been marked .

 

[jirskyr]

I like Finucane but I’d prefer we go ultra aggressive for Jospeh Tapine, the raiders look like they’re unraveling and this might be the perfect opportunity to snag a class player

Also has that New Zealand connection with Madge, should offer him a big deal and get him over here

11. Luciano Leiluia
12. Shawn Blore
13. Joseph Tapine

That’s some serious talent

Can’t say I like Tapine.
Always trying to look like a tough guy… third man in all the time.
Maybe ok if he realises you can be considered a tough guy instead by the way you run and defend.

It's his offence I like. We only really have 1-1.5 consistent tackle-breakers in the forwards (Luch, with Garner every other week).

 

[jirskyr]

if they did not sign with us... we missed the signature
that is how it works we made an offer they didn't take the offer.
Forget that we pulled an offer that was only to save face.
If you are selling widgets and someone does not buy th then you miss the sale

Buying and selling are not even remotely the same thing.

 

[cochise]

So sharks get hynes and good chance of finucane, dogs get ado Carr and Burton and we're looking at Dwz. ?
We must be the basket case of basket cases

Canterbury have tried to buy a team and are finding out the hard way that that's not how it works. We learnt that lesson a few years ago with Cleary. Addo-Carr and Burton are fine acquisitions but I much prefer the way we are going about recruitment.

Just because Ivan made some poor recruitment decisions doesn't mean you shouldn't target excellent, established players. Burton and Addo-Carr are excellent signings. They're getting rid of Dallin because they have signed players who are an upgrade on him. The fact Dallin would walk right into our team is an indictment of our backline recruitment.

Spot on.
Josh and Burton are great buys and would walk into our team. So would hynes.
We should be after finucane big time and if we miss out, questions should be asked. Especially if we are looking at dwz

You don't judge recruitment on players that you miss.

Why not?
You rate everything else to be a success on both ends of the equation, why not recruitment? If we are failing to sign players , we are doing something wrong.

You judge it on the players you do recruit as that is the only thing that is 100% in your control. Missing out on a player in not 100% in any clubs control.

I'm halfway there with you on this one but it sounds like something a bad recruiter would say. Has someone at the club said this?

No not at all, just my opinion. For example, if Munster came on the market and we attempted to sign him but missed out. I can accept that.

What I wouldn't be able to accept is if we turned around and signed Matt Moylan after that. I would want us to make a smart recruitment decision after that.

If Munster came on the market and we were chasing his signature, regardless of other teams, and we missed out, that is an absolute failure

Or you can count it as a failure, sure, but then it's a failure against 15 teams every time. Every signature made is a failure by the other 15 teams to land that same signature. Then keep adding up every club who didn't sign a specific player, you end up favouring the clubs that sign and lose high volumes of players.

Or your alternative is to then try and qualify each non-signing - how hard did we try (you will never know), did we try at all (you will never know for sure), how much did we offer under what terms (you won't know) etc.

I think the point @cochise is making is that because nobody here knows the true terms of potential negotiation with any player, you can't realistically judge the success or failure of any non-signing, because you don't really truly know what happened. It could be club culture, it could be reputation, it could be money, it could be personality clash, it could be the club changed their mind, it could be salary cap, injuries, better players came on market, change of mind etc. etc. etc.

Exactly mate, it could be any number of reasons. We once had a player at the club who returned to Queensland because his wife wanted to go home, that was despite him captaining our side to a premiership. You can just never know why a player decided against joining us so evaluations based on people who didn't sign are pointless, some reasons we have absolutely no control over.

The thing that we have 100% control over and the results of are transparent are the players we do sign. Therefore I will never judge recruitment on who we don't sign but rather on the players we do sign.

That also doesn't mean that the club should bury its head in the sand, if it becomes apparent to the club we are not signing high profile players then I would expect the club to review that, but it is pointless judging the club on players who signed elsewhere from the outside.

 

[jrtiger]

So sharks get hynes and good chance of finucane, dogs get ado Carr and Burton and we're looking at Dwz. ?
We must be the basket case of basket cases

Canterbury have tried to buy a team and are finding out the hard way that that's not how it works. We learnt that lesson a few years ago with Cleary. Addo-Carr and Burton are fine acquisitions but I much prefer the way we are going about recruitment.

Just because Ivan made some poor recruitment decisions doesn't mean you shouldn't target excellent, established players. Burton and Addo-Carr are excellent signings. They're getting rid of Dallin because they have signed players who are an upgrade on him. The fact Dallin would walk right into our team is an indictment of our backline recruitment.

Spot on.
Josh and Burton are great buys and would walk into our team. So would hynes.
We should be after finucane big time and if we miss out, questions should be asked. Especially if we are looking at dwz

We have been missing out for a couple of years now I have asked the question many times still no answer

I know, it is depressing, IMHO Madge is far from an attraction, in fact I have seen stories on coaches players least like to play under, Madge features highly, also heard some players say it on FOX

I don't care. We've never been a marquee club. Our major success happened of the back of some brilliant kids.

Madge has been the best coach I've seen in relation to recruitment at the Tigers. To me that is his best attribute. They seem to be building a club for the future.

I wish we had signed a couple more juniors if anything. That Walsh kid and Burton are ones I'd wish we'd gotten.

Burton yes - Walsh has not proven anything that I have seen - except that he can throw forward passes and come down on peoples faces with his elbow. Looks like a "KAT" to me. Not in the same class as Burton, Walker or Suaalii.

WHAT?!!?! Walsh is incredible

 

[facepalmer]

Heard today that the Burgess thing is still very much on the cards.

Sam?

I was told is that the Tigers are speaking as though they have already got an agreement with him to start playing for them at some point in the future. The person did not know exactly when it would occur.

Wow big call.

Indeed. Based on who it came from I would suspect that it's genuine. Can ask POM to chime in if u want lol.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

if they did not sign with us... we missed the signature
that is how it works we made an offer they didn't take the offer.
Forget that we pulled an offer that was only to save face.
If you are selling widgets and someone does not buy th then you miss the sale

Does that mean a fundamental failure in recruitment though , or simply square pegs for round holes ? The Lattrell stuff is very clear he wanted to play for his childhood team , in an environment where he wasn’t the man . It makes sense as well with the kid who said he wants to be retired by 30 . He’s not in it to be the saviour . He just wants to make bank and have fun. Addo Carr definitely signed for more money , so this story about him signing for less is laughable , built around hyperbole released by guys like buzz ,exaggerating figures because it suits the agenda they’re trying to spin.

We are building a strong core of elite juniors . Some will pan out , like Daine and Adam , others may flame out . The Nico Hynes stuff is funny . He went from a “could we use him? “ player 6 weeks ago , to a 600k player . He was released by the Eagles and Cowboys , before finding his place at the storm , only through opportunity and necessity , not him banging down the door. He’s done very well , to seize that opportunity , but it’s been a meteoric rise he’s surfing on . He very well could be the next Josh Hannay , or Tim Smith , or Daniel Mortimer , or Shannon Nevin , 10 weeks of elite footy , then not much . As well as be the next late blooming star like Matt King or Walker. I have no idea which is true , but the fact there’s even a conversation to be had , maybe was enough of a red flag for us to bail as soon as it got past the 333k mark of league average .

Just some thoughts not just directed at you Jedi. Mainly the whole discussion .

 

[weststigers]

So sharks get hynes and good chance of finucane, dogs get ado Carr and Burton and we're looking at Dwz. ?
We must be the basket case of basket cases

Canterbury have tried to buy a team and are finding out the hard way that that's not how it works. We learnt that lesson a few years ago with Cleary. Addo-Carr and Burton are fine acquisitions but I much prefer the way we are going about recruitment.

Just because Ivan made some poor recruitment decisions doesn't mean you shouldn't target excellent, established players. Burton and Addo-Carr are excellent signings. They're getting rid of Dallin because they have signed players who are an upgrade on him. The fact Dallin would walk right into our team is an indictment of our backline recruitment.

Spot on.
Josh and Burton are great buys and would walk into our team. So would hynes.
We should be after finucane big time and if we miss out, questions should be asked. Especially if we are looking at dwz

You don't judge recruitment on players that you miss.

Why not?
You rate everything else to be a success on both ends of the equation, why not recruitment? If we are failing to sign players , we are doing something wrong.

You judge it on the players you do recruit as that is the only thing that is 100% in your control. Missing out on a player in not 100% in any clubs control.

I'm halfway there with you on this one but it sounds like something a bad recruiter would say. Has someone at the club said this?

No not at all, just my opinion. For example, if Munster came on the market and we attempted to sign him but missed out. I can accept that.

What I wouldn't be able to accept is if we turned around and signed Matt Moylan after that. I would want us to make a smart recruitment decision after that.

If Munster came on the market and we were chasing his signature, regardless of other teams, and we missed out, that is an absolute failure

Or you can count it as a failure, sure, but then it's a failure against 15 teams every time. Every signature made is a failure by the other 15 teams to land that same signature. Then keep adding up every club who didn't sign a specific player, you end up favouring the clubs that sign and lose high volumes of players.

Or your alternative is to then try and qualify each non-signing - how hard did we try (you will never know), did we try at all (you will never know for sure), how much did we offer under what terms (you won't know) etc.

I think the point @cochise is making is that because nobody here knows the true terms of potential negotiation with any player, you can't realistically judge the success or failure of any non-signing, because you don't really truly know what happened. It could be club culture, it could be reputation, it could be money, it could be personality clash, it could be the club changed their mind, it could be salary cap, injuries, better players came on market, change of mind etc. etc. etc.

Don't take this the wrong way, but it's never the case that 15 teams are trying to sign the same player. It's usually down to 2 or 3 and up to 5 or 6. It's not to disagree with your overall point, but to put into context what some people are frustrated with. It's not my personal view, but I can see the other side.

Ultimately, I agree with you though that people shouldn't view a player not signing with us as a "failure" of the club alone if at all. As you correctly point out...It might be, but it might not be.

On the other hand, you also can't ignore a recurring theme of big names in their prime deciding to sign with other clubs over us.

BUT...I think the club have identified the issues **within our control** and they are working hard to fix them. Some on here think it's an overnight fix...some also wrongly assume that every player has exactly the same motivations.

Of all the "rebuilds" and "5 year plans" the club has gone through, I would argue that this is the only one that has been managed properly since our inception. Our "plan" is built on 4 pillars being: sensible cap management, training facilities, recruiting quality juniors and investing in junior pathways. The only thing missing would be one home ground, but when or if that will ever happen, nobody knows.

After this year, we will have some of the best facilities in the NRL. Add to that a year of experience for our junior recruits and hopefully another crop of home grown talent. Free cap space from Packers contract and half of Mbye and we have nearly cleaned up the cap mess Cleary left us.

There's a bit of a struggle in terms of established player recruitment, but the guys that do join are carefully selected and more importantly, join at fair value - I haven't seen one knee-jerk signing of a player past his best or a signing where we've overpaid under Madge and Hartigan.

We're starting to resemble a club that has its ducks in a row. I'm willing to bet the recruitment problem magically disappears sooner rather than later.

 

[TigerBlood93]

I like Finucane but I’d prefer we go ultra aggressive for Jospeh Tapine, the raiders look like they’re unraveling and this might be the perfect opportunity to snag a class player

Also has that New Zealand connection with Madge, should offer him a big deal and get him over here

11. Luciano Leiluia
12. Shawn Blore
13. Joseph Tapine

That’s some serious talent

Can’t say I like Tapine.
Always trying to look like a tough guy… third man in all the time.
Maybe ok if he realises you can be considered a tough guy instead by the way you run and defend.

That would be a bonus reason to sign him, our team looks soft as! The fact no one came in to rough up sims for kneeing liddle in the head is crazy!

I’ll be so filthy if they did that this week against the panthers and let those guys niggle away at us.

 

[crazycat]

What an underwhelming experience that will be coming from Brisbane.....
Pascoe: "See past the demountables over there.....you have to use your imagination, however in the next 12 months, that will be the 'Benji Marshall' weights room......we also recently started providing Gatorade and Gaffa tape to players which you will find in the new utilities cupboard. We've named that the 'Braith Anasta' Storeroom.
Now which one of our 6 home grounds would you like to visit first?"

He was supposed to be visiting the Tigers & Dragons, although the Dragons no longer have money since De Belin ( not everyone at the Dragons are happy about his return) has returned as their priority is Hynes. Joey Manu wants to play fullback & has been given permission to explore his options, he has been having preliminary talks for nearly 2 months

Thanks for the update. De Belin is a fine player and will strengthen the Dragon's defence. The best attribute he brings is his partner, Alyce Taylor. I admire her for the strength. A truly courageous woman. As for De Belin, if you watch him walk, doesn't he remind you of a Rooster?

If she courageous she would of left him once she found out his hideous act.

I honestly not keen to watch a game he is playing

Hey leave them alone.

The situation is awful as far as Rugby league is concerned. Yes His act is Horrible, I think there is justice in him doing time on the sidelines and i agree (from what we know) he should have done jail time.

But his/her relationship. Thats between them.
I dont care if she made a brave decision to stand with someone for the right reasons while they went through all that, or for the wrong reasons. Not our problem, not ours to look on them.

Even if it is exactly as it looks, even if De-Belen is exactly that creep as the trial portrayed. Her choice is hard enough, she will have my sympathy. But Blame, no way.

 

[tony soprano]

What an underwhelming experience that will be coming from Brisbane.....
Pascoe: "See past the demountables over there.....you have to use your imagination, however in the next 12 months, that will be the 'Benji Marshall' weights room......we also recently started providing Gatorade and Gaffa tape to players which you will find in the new utilities cupboard. We've named that the 'Braith Anasta' Storeroom.
Now which one of our 6 home grounds would you like to visit first?"

He was supposed to be visiting the Tigers & Dragons, although the Dragons no longer have money since De Belin ( not everyone at the Dragons are happy about his return) has returned as their priority is Hynes. Joey Manu wants to play fullback & has been given permission to explore his options, he has been having preliminary talks for nearly 2 months

Thanks for the update. De Belin is a fine player and will strengthen the Dragon's defence. The best attribute he brings is his partner, Alyce Taylor. I admire her for the strength. A truly courageous woman. As for De Belin, if you watch him walk, doesn't he remind you of a Rooster?

If she courageous she would of left him once she found out his hideous act.

I honestly not keen to watch a game he is playing

Hey leave them alone.

The situation is awful as far as Rugby league is concerned. Yes His act is Horrible, I think there is justice in him doing time on the sidelines and i agree (from what we know) he should have done jail time.

But his/her relationship. Thats between them.
I dont care if she made a brave decision to stand with someone for the right reasons while they went through all that, or for the wrong reasons. Not our problem, not ours to look on them.

Even if it is exactly as it looks, even if De-Belen is exactly that creep as the trial portrayed. Her choice is hard enough, she will have my sympathy. But Blame, no way.

In light of the facts of the case I don’t respect the decision to say.

 

[avocadoontoast]

I hope we have some recruitment targets outside of Gildart, Hastings, Dallin and Sam Burgess.

 

[Vince Farrar]

So sharks get hynes and good chance of finucane, dogs get ado Carr and Burton and we're looking at Dwz. ?
We must be the basket case of basket cases

Canterbury have tried to buy a team and are finding out the hard way that that's not how it works. We learnt that lesson a few years ago with Cleary. Addo-Carr and Burton are fine acquisitions but I much prefer the way we are going about recruitment.

Just because Ivan made some poor recruitment decisions doesn't mean you shouldn't target excellent, established players. Burton and Addo-Carr are excellent signings. They're getting rid of Dallin because they have signed players who are an upgrade on him. The fact Dallin would walk right into our team is an indictment of our backline recruitment.

So true...Burton will make a massive difference next year. At present their spine is diabolical, they will be a different side next year

I'm very very interested to see how Burton goes when he is in the Bulldogs spine, rather than working off the current best-form spine in the comp the past 2 seasons.

Kyle Flanagan looked good enough at the Roosters too.

I don’t think the Rooster thought he looked too good given they dumped him.

Burton is a great talent and would benefit any team he plays in. I would have loved us to sign him.

I’ve had a little crack at the $150 on sports bet to win the CC medal

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I hope we have some recruitment targets outside of Gildart, Hastings, Dallin and Sam Burgess.

They're targets not likely to improve our position on the ladder.

 

[carltonleach]

I hope we have some recruitment targets outside of Gildart, Hastings, Dallin and Sam Burgess.

U forgot fergo lol 🤣

 

[avocadoontoast]

I hope we have some recruitment targets outside of Gildart, Hastings, Dallin and Sam Burgess.

U forgot fergo lol ?

He wouldn't make our team with our superstar wing combo of Nofo/Dallin.