Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[TigerTone]

Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180


what's he bench hahaha

yeah ok!!!
hahaha

 

[TigerTone]

Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180

HSS is listed at 183.

No way To'o £@ 176

That's shorter than me

Born: 18 August 1998 (age 22 years), Westmead
Height: 1.76 m
Position: Wing
Weight: 102 kg (16 st 1 lb)

 

[TigerTone]

Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180

HSS is listed at 183.

No way To'o £@ 176

That's shorter than me

Born: 18 August 1998 (age 22 years), Westmead
Height: 1.76 m
Position: Wing
Weight: 102 kg (16 st 1 lb)

lets call it 178cm 100kg
thats somewhere in the middle

 

[Tiger5150]

Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180

HSS is listed at 183.

No way To'o £@ 176

That's shorter than me

To'o is short, but over 100kg

 

[TIGERPOWER]

We will finally be rid of the all the big money flop signings in 2022 (mbye, Reynolds, packer). But sad that we haven’t managed one marquee signing. I see a good future with the young crop we have , but I reckon 1 big name would give them confidence on game day. If we need to chuck big money at manu then I reckon let’s do it. 1 manu is better then mbye & Reynolds combined and they were on $1.5millon.

 

[Geo]

it's a game of centimetres..

 

[Demps]

Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180

HSS is listed at 183.

No way To'o £@ 176

That's shorter than me

To'o is short, but over 100kg

Penrith website has 182.
Google says 176.

 

[Needaname]

Finally some news on roster change, even if it is costing us $390k to have a player to wear other's colours

So what I don’t understand is why would you negotiate, what I’m essence is a settlement of $390K, to move on Mybe unless you had plans on who your going to spend the money saved on?
With a recent history of missing out on targets, we must be confident in getting some decent players here otherwise some of the guys we currently have are getting a decent pay rise.

It’s a cycle.
Pay now save later.
Say Mbyes $850 in total is available next year. It will cost us $390 on the cap but wait. With Mikalee and Seyfarth potential resignings and Twal for instance off contract end of 22. You could arrange extensions for the above players this season. Front load part of their deal into this year all to the Sum of $390k and you’ve saved yourself his full wage next year. All legit.
Say no one is worth that money on the market in 22 and get to the end of the year and still have a bit of extra to spend. Do the same again.
Year by year our available cap spend for a year will be greater than 100% in addition year by year our core group gets more experienced and the playing talent within the Tigers improves making it more attractive to join the squad thus making signing the right marquee possible by having the attraction and the money.

Cool plan. Cant work. Ever year you have to have 30 contracted players and you must spend 90% of your cap.

Technically. But there are loop holes.
You need 30 contract by July, August this year but you don’t need the necessary amount through the year.
And there is nothing that what I mentioned doesn’t mean we haven’t met that requirement each year.

30 by 1 August. Must spend 90% by 1 October. Can do it first year, after than the maths doesnt add up.

I’ll answer both within the same post. Your focusing on just one player. There are 30 players and they are all off contract at different stages.
Essentially there are different type of players and therefore different types of recruitment strategies.

Consider the ‘stacked’ team the roosters had in 2013. SBW was promised 1 mil a season for two years. He himself knowing that it will only be a short term deal.
And more recently the 1 mil or so that the roosters recruited Cooper Cronk for. He was happy with a two year deal before he retired and man did it pay off. Over this time you have long term deals for all these nobody juniors (at the time) in Collins, Tupinoua, and long term stalwarts like Hargreaves / Friend etc. if they end up getting a little bit more when they are struggling and a little less when they are challenging does it matter? Plus if they are on a little less at the time of resigning and they are struggling it just makes it that much easier for the club to move on and pick up a potential new recruit to start shuffling their money around again.


Ok....like I said, it works for one year but not for more then one.

In your example you either use an example of 1 player in one year (which works) but then you talk about front loading some contracts and backloading others (a little less when they are challenging). Frontloading some and backloading others isnt fixing anything in the salary cap.

You cant just front load for more than one season. Simple mathematics. 30 players, need to spend 90% of cap. If you continue to front load, you run out of cap and cant spend 90%.

Your right it’s a combination or in the case of the Roosters it’s three variants. Front load cheap long term contracts, back load long term expensive contracts and pay short term contracts with no variation.
It’s all about building for a championship year.
It’s what you do until you get to a status where players will accept less to come to your club. If it was me I would start extending Laurie, Steph and Blore and pay forward their contract maybe a bonus thrown in. Leave their final year at 50% contract value. If they are still firing, do it again. If not or if 2 out of the three are worth it and you’ll release one then do that. It gives you a bit of flexibility.
I agree with you with not doing it every year that way. But it seems we would of done a variation of it every recent year that we’ve announced start of the year that a development player is going to first grade next year and then mid year promote them. Like we did with Seyfarth one recent year and Kelma this year.

And I’ve read the salary floor is 95%

 

[GCfan]

Finally some news on roster change, even if it is costing us $390k to have a player to wear other's colours

So what I don’t understand is why would you negotiate, what I’m essence is a settlement of $390K, to move on Mybe unless you had plans on who your going to spend the money saved on?
With a recent history of missing out on targets, we must be confident in getting some decent players here otherwise some of the guys we currently have are getting a decent pay rise.

It’s a cycle.
Pay now save later.
Say Mbyes $850 in total is available next year. It will cost us $390 on the cap but wait. With Mikalee and Seyfarth potential resignings and Twal for instance off contract end of 22. You could arrange extensions for the above players this season. Front load part of their deal into this year all to the Sum of $390k and you’ve saved yourself his full wage next year. All legit.
Say no one is worth that money on the market in 22 and get to the end of the year and still have a bit of extra to spend. Do the same again.
Year by year our available cap spend for a year will be greater than 100% in addition year by year our core group gets more experienced and the playing talent within the Tigers improves making it more attractive to join the squad thus making signing the right marquee possible by having the attraction and the money.

Cool plan. Cant work. Ever year you have to have 30 contracted players and you must spend 90% of your cap.

Technically. But there are loop holes.
You need 30 contract by July, August this year but you don’t need the necessary amount through the year.
And there is nothing that what I mentioned doesn’t mean we haven’t met that requirement each year.

30 by 1 August. Must spend 90% by 1 October. Can do it first year, after than the maths doesnt add up.

I’ll answer both within the same post. Your focusing on just one player. There are 30 players and they are all off contract at different stages.
Essentially there are different type of players and therefore different types of recruitment strategies.

Consider the ‘stacked’ team the roosters had in 2013. SBW was promised 1 mil a season for two years. He himself knowing that it will only be a short term deal.
And more recently the 1 mil or so that the roosters recruited Cooper Cronk for. He was happy with a two year deal before he retired and man did it pay off. Over this time you have long term deals for all these nobody juniors (at the time) in Collins, Tupinoua, and long term stalwarts like Hargreaves / Friend etc. if they end up getting a little bit more when they are struggling and a little less when they are challenging does it matter? Plus if they are on a little less at the time of resigning and they are struggling it just makes it that much easier for the club to move on and pick up a potential new recruit to start shuffling their money around again.


Ok....like I said, it works for one year but not for more then one.

In your example you either use an example of 1 player in one year (which works) but then you talk about front loading some contracts and backloading others (a little less when they are challenging). Frontloading some and backloading others isnt fixing anything in the salary cap.

You cant just front load for more than one season. Simple mathematics. 30 players, need to spend 90% of cap. If you continue to front load, you run out of cap and cant spend 90%.

Your right it’s a combination or in the case of the Roosters it’s three variants. Front load cheap long term contracts, back load long term expensive contracts and pay short term contracts with no variation.
It’s all about building for a championship year.
It’s what you do until you get to a status where players will accept less to come to your club. If it was me I would start extending Laurie, Steph and Blore and pay forward their contract maybe a bonus thrown in. Leave their final year at 50% contract value. If they are still firing, do it again. If not or if 2 out of the three are worth it and you’ll release one then do that. It gives you a bit of flexibility.
I agree with you with not doing it every year that way. But it seems we would of done a variation of it every recent year that we’ve announced start of the year that a development player is going to first grade next year and then mid year promote them. Like we did with Seyfarth one recent year and Kelma this year.

And I’ve read the salary floor is 95%

Yeah mentioned 95% on NRL360 the other night

 

[Tiger5150]

Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180

HSS is listed at 183.

No way To'o £@ 176

That's shorter than me

To'o is short, but over 100kg

Penrith website has 182.
Google says 176.

Ive stood next to him. Shorter than me. 176 seems right.

 

[Tiger5150]

Finally some news on roster change, even if it is costing us $390k to have a player to wear other's colours

So what I don’t understand is why would you negotiate, what I’m essence is a settlement of $390K, to move on Mybe unless you had plans on who your going to spend the money saved on?
With a recent history of missing out on targets, we must be confident in getting some decent players here otherwise some of the guys we currently have are getting a decent pay rise.

It’s a cycle.
Pay now save later.
Say Mbyes $850 in total is available next year. It will cost us $390 on the cap but wait. With Mikalee and Seyfarth potential resignings and Twal for instance off contract end of 22. You could arrange extensions for the above players this season. Front load part of their deal into this year all to the Sum of $390k and you’ve saved yourself his full wage next year. All legit.
Say no one is worth that money on the market in 22 and get to the end of the year and still have a bit of extra to spend. Do the same again.
Year by year our available cap spend for a year will be greater than 100% in addition year by year our core group gets more experienced and the playing talent within the Tigers improves making it more attractive to join the squad thus making signing the right marquee possible by having the attraction and the money.

Cool plan. Cant work. Ever year you have to have 30 contracted players and you must spend 90% of your cap.

Technically. But there are loop holes.
You need 30 contract by July, August this year but you don’t need the necessary amount through the year.
And there is nothing that what I mentioned doesn’t mean we haven’t met that requirement each year.

30 by 1 August. Must spend 90% by 1 October. Can do it first year, after than the maths doesnt add up.

I’ll answer both within the same post. Your focusing on just one player. There are 30 players and they are all off contract at different stages.
Essentially there are different type of players and therefore different types of recruitment strategies.

Consider the ‘stacked’ team the roosters had in 2013. SBW was promised 1 mil a season for two years. He himself knowing that it will only be a short term deal.
And more recently the 1 mil or so that the roosters recruited Cooper Cronk for. He was happy with a two year deal before he retired and man did it pay off. Over this time you have long term deals for all these nobody juniors (at the time) in Collins, Tupinoua, and long term stalwarts like Hargreaves / Friend etc. if they end up getting a little bit more when they are struggling and a little less when they are challenging does it matter? Plus if they are on a little less at the time of resigning and they are struggling it just makes it that much easier for the club to move on and pick up a potential new recruit to start shuffling their money around again.


Ok....like I said, it works for one year but not for more then one.

In your example you either use an example of 1 player in one year (which works) but then you talk about front loading some contracts and backloading others (a little less when they are challenging). Frontloading some and backloading others isnt fixing anything in the salary cap.

You cant just front load for more than one season. Simple mathematics. 30 players, need to spend 90% of cap. If you continue to front load, you run out of cap and cant spend 90%.

Your right it’s a combination or in the case of the Roosters it’s three variants. Front load cheap long term contracts, back load long term expensive contracts and pay short term contracts with no variation.
It’s all about building for a championship year.
It’s what you do until you get to a status where players will accept less to come to your club. If it was me I would start extending Laurie, Steph and Blore and pay forward their contract maybe a bonus thrown in. Leave their final year at 50% contract value. If they are still firing, do it again. If not or if 2 out of the three are worth it and you’ll release one then do that. It gives you a bit of flexibility.
I agree with you with not doing it every year that way. But it seems we would of done a variation of it every recent year that we’ve announced start of the year that a development player is going to first grade next year and then mid year promote them. Like we did with Seyfarth one recent year and Kelma this year.

And I’ve read the salary floor is 95%

95% might be right, regardless its a stationary point. You cant just continue to front load year after year, the maths catches up.

If this club has learned anything over the last 10 years of pain, it should be no backloading EVER!

 

[Demps]

Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

Is he shorter than To’o?

To'o is 176
HSS is 180

HSS is listed at 183.

No way To'o £@ 176

That's shorter than me

To'o is short, but over 100kg

Penrith website has 182.
Google says 176.

Ive stood next to him. Shorter than me. 176 seems right.

Billy Slater is 178cm

I use to think Nathan Merrit was short, on TV.
Then I met him and he was a beast.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Wish Hudson Young was available

 

[Demps]

Wish Hudson Young was available

🔥🔥🔥

 

[JC99]

Harley Smith-Shields is playing tonight - Does anyone know if we should be watching him closely tonight or not?

He is too short for a winger

He's more a centre than a winger, seems normal height.

he's the same height as Nofo

Looks way taller on the field

 

[Aceshigh]

Off the topic a bit but does anybody know how the raiders loaning players to dogs affects the dogs cap ? It’s not a loan like grant for Momirovski

 

[tony soprano]

Off the topic a bit but does anybody know how the raiders loaning players to dogs affects the dogs cap ? It’s not a loan like grant for Momirovski

Yeah I don't like it when there's nothing in returning

 

[TonyTiger]

it's a game of centimetres..

I tell the ladies it’s a game of inches....

 

[coivtny]

it's a game of centimetres..

I tell the ladies it’s a game of inches....

How many?

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Brett Read on Triple M this afternoon and backing up @THE_POM confirming Mbye to Dragons is a done deal.