Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[BAGNF05]

I really don’t like the idea of rookie coach’s , the Titans and the knights have not gone great with there super coach’s from the rooters

Both playing finals which is about the ceiling you can hope for when u look at the top rosters.

Edit: although I’m not keen on a rookie coach in our current predicament unless they bring a couple of rep players along.

 

[88]

I really don’t like the idea of rookie coach’s , the Titans and the knights have not gone great with there super coach’s from the rooters

Both playing finals which is about the ceiling you can hope for when u look at the top rosters.

Edit: although I’m not keen on a rookie coach in our current predicament unless they bring a couple of rep players along.

Key to a rookie coach succeeding would be the assistant coaches around him and club support (say in our instance Director of Coaching - Tim Sheens -support).

What are the key things we are looking for in a coach at the moment:

- establishing a rapport and buy in with a young core and senior players (possible similar position to Penrith 3 years ago).
- attract key signings.
- improve defensive structures.
- best able to implement systems that fit the modern game.
- improve culture.

Need to identify which available coach ticks the most boxes.

 

[BAGNF05]

I really don’t like the idea of rookie coach’s , the Titans and the knights have not gone great with there super coach’s from the rooters

Both playing finals which is about the ceiling you can hope for when u look at the top rosters.

Edit: although I’m not keen on a rookie coach in our current predicament unless they bring a couple of rep players along.

Key to a rookie coach succeeding would be the assistant coaches around him and club support (say in our instance Director of Coaching - Tim Sheens -support).

What are the key things we are looking for in a coach at the moment:

- establishing a rapport and buy in with a young core and senior players (possible similar position to Penrith 3 years ago).
- attract key signings.
- improve defensive structures.
- best able to implement systems that fit the modern game.
- improve culture.

Need to identify which available coach ticks the most boxes.

Without point two you can throw away the other criteria

 

[clontarfkid]

Looks like theres a strong chance of Madge staying,mostly because nobody wants to cough up $800k to punt him.
If so,It will only be for one year with the performance clauses in next years new contract pushing him out end 2022 without financial pain surely
If true,our recruitment is now consigned to the desperate and dateless player bargain bin,with minimal interest from quality NRL players to link up with this culture.So we need to reconsiderour recruitment targets and be less fussy for2022 as follows
Curtis Scott-we are indeed "desperate" for a quality centre next year.and he has been that in the past ,but not for some 2 yrs.Because we have very few options for the 3 or 4 jersey,Id take him on a strict 1yr plus club option 1 yr deal.Dont like myself for being expedient,but sometimes you just have to deal with the cards yr dealt.
Elliot-proven NRL quality player in a position we have plenty of ,but mostly mostly unproven candidates ..we'd prefer an impact forward(which he aint)but he cld bring desperately needed experience and leadership and allow Luciano a rest during games.Same deal as above for Scott,but without the risk as Elliots misdeameanours were just the misadventures of youth (but lock up yr wives and daughters)!
Woods-no go under any circumstances..not the impact prop we need,and untrustworthy leadership .He can mow lawns
And regardless of whether Madge stays or goes,new assistant coaches for attack and defence that actually SPEAK and emulate the "Finuccane"pre-game preperation that so impressed Stefano(and others)
..oh,and a smarter Board with more footy knowledge and an ability to oppose the Chairmans whims wld be very useful
ZMadge for another year...is what it is,but almost worth a go fund me!

Less fussy, good one lol

Gotta be realistic about our lack of appeal...and that includes taking serial idiots in key positions unfortunately

 

[TigezTime]

Scolari >>>>>>>Nofo

How is this being upvoted. I know everyone is in the 'we all hate Nofa' phase and admittedly he has been well below his best. But to say an untested rookie who has literally never played a game is better than last years Dally M Winger of the Year is just ridiculous. Even at his worst I really felt (unlike most here) that Nofa actually was trying really hard at the backend of the year. And also all of you guys constantly bemoan the lack of passion that anyone has for the Tigers jersey but he's one of the few that has actually been loyal to the club from the beginning. Yes he had a bad year and yes its frustrating for all of us but how about we try and back him and hope he gets back to form next season. If he doesn't then this conversation can hold a lot more weight.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Scolari >>>>>>>Nofo

How is this being upvoted. I know everyone is in the 'we all hate Nofa' phase and admittedly he has been well below his best. But to say an untested rookie who has literally never played a game is better than last years Dally M Winger of the Year is just ridiculous. Even at his worst I really felt (unlike most here) that Nofa actually was trying really hard at the backend of the year. And also all of you guys constantly bemoan the lack of passion that anyone has for the Tigers jersey but he's one of the few that has actually been loyal to the club from the beginning. Yes he had a bad year and yes its frustrating for all of us but how about we try and back him and hope he gets back to form next season. If he doesn't then this conversation can hold a lot more weight.

I would like him a lot better if he stayed on his bloody wing and didnt run sideways

Scolari is faster and can defend

 

[Curaeus]

Some talk on NRL360 of potentially Ciraldo to be head coach. What are people's thoughts? I think it could be a circuit breaker. Pair him with Sheens as a mentor who could add clout to our brand and ability to attract players, and put the right assistant coaches around him (mix of steady older respected guys and other rising younger assistants) and we might start to build a bit of buzz for recruiting.

He could probably jag a couple of key blokes from his Penrith knowledge and links to them, and it might just be enough to get another couple of key potential recruits over the line as well. Once you can start building momentum as a destination club, it can snowball.

Could possibly build instant rapport with our young core as well and bring them on even quicker. Couldn't do worse in terms of our current defensive structures. Could be a corner turner moment.

I can see Ciraldo doing a Ivan Cleary to us. Penrith will want him back when they sack Ivan Cleary at the end of 2022.

Panthers won’t dump Ivan until they’re ready to punt Nathan.

Nathan is Ivan's insurance policy. Whilst they need him, they have to cop his dad!

 

[TigezTime]

Scolari >>>>>>>Nofo

How is this being upvoted. I know everyone is in the 'we all hate Nofa' phase and admittedly he has been well below his best. But to say an untested rookie who has literally never played a game is better than last years Dally M Winger of the Year is just ridiculous. Even at his worst I really felt (unlike most here) that Nofa actually was trying really hard at the backend of the year. And also all of you guys constantly bemoan the lack of passion that anyone has for the Tigers jersey but he's one of the few that has actually been loyal to the club from the beginning. Yes he had a bad year and yes its frustrating for all of us but how about we try and back him and hope he gets back to form next season. If he doesn't then this conversation can hold a lot more weight.

I would like him a lot better if he stayed on his bloody wing and didnt run sideways

Scolari is faster and can defend

Defending on the wing in Flegg/NSW Cup and doing it in NRL are two very different things. Bloody Cini looks like a stud in Cup and we've all seen him now in the NRL. I think Nof could be a far better defender if he trusted the man outside him which is really hard considering that person changes every 2 games. Also where has this narrative that Nofa is not fast come from. Like he's not JAC but I don't think I've ever really seen him get run down and I thought he rated pretty highly in the club speed trials. At the end of the day I hope Scolari comes good and I hope Nofa does too.

 

[88]

Without point two you can throw away the other criteria

Isn’t that the biggest knock on Madge?

 

[TigerTownSFS]

Some talk on NRL360 of potentially Ciraldo to be head coach. What are people's thoughts? I think it could be a circuit breaker. Pair him with Sheens as a mentor who could add clout to our brand and ability to attract players, and put the right assistant coaches around him (mix of steady older respected guys and other rising younger assistants) and we might start to build a bit of buzz for recruiting.

He could probably jag a couple of key blokes from his Penrith knowledge and links to them, and it might just be enough to get another couple of key potential recruits over the line as well. Once you can start building momentum as a destination club, it can snowball.

Could possibly build instant rapport with our young core as well and bring them on even quicker. Couldn't do worse in terms of our current defensive structures. Could be a corner turner moment.

I can see Ciraldo doing a Ivan Cleary to us. Penrith will want him back when they sack Ivan Cleary at the end of 2022.

Panthers won’t dump Ivan until they’re ready to punt Nathan.

Wanna bet? He'll get next year... That squad will start to dis-assemble and the window will close, If he goes out in straight sets this year he'll be under pressure... If they don't do well next - I certainly wouldn't be betting on him to hold his spot.... Especially if the want for Ciraldo at another club increases - They'll be forced to chose, Ivan will be finishing up a contract - And it won't matter to them....

Penrith will keep the core of their players together for the majority of their careers. Crichton, Cleary, To'o, Martin, Luai, JFH, Leota, Leniu, Yeo etc. with players like that you are going to be somewhere near the top for the next few years. I don't see that squad changing drastically anytime soon.

Capewell and Burton are leaving but will be replaced by Martin and Turuva, who is going to be a superstar. they're set. as much as I would love to see Ivan to fail, they will win a premiership in the next 3 years with or without him. that window is open for the next 5 years at absolute minimum.

What’s quite interesting though is that they have long term players in most roles already. They have all come through together and in a similar vintage but it’s going to be hard to see they will have room for their next superstar in an important position except for maybe fullback. If their production line is so strong then there will be a lot of opportunity to mine that because there is very limited opportunity in the Panthers senior side in the next 5 years

 

[GCfan]

Some talk on NRL360 of potentially Ciraldo to be head coach. What are people's thoughts? I think it could be a circuit breaker. Pair him with Sheens as a mentor who could add clout to our brand and ability to attract players, and put the right assistant coaches around him (mix of steady older respected guys and other rising younger assistants) and we might start to build a bit of buzz for recruiting.

He could probably jag a couple of key blokes from his Penrith knowledge and links to them, and it might just be enough to get another couple of key potential recruits over the line as well. Once you can start building momentum as a destination club, it can snowball.

Could possibly build instant rapport with our young core as well and bring them on even quicker. Couldn't do worse in terms of our current defensive structures. Could be a corner turner moment.

I can see Ciraldo doing a Ivan Cleary to us. Penrith will want him back when they sack Ivan Cleary at the end of 2022.

Panthers won’t dump Ivan until they’re ready to punt Nathan.

Nathan is Ivan's insurance policy. Whilst they need him, they have to cop his dad!

It’s like a buy one and get 1 free in reverse

 

[The-moP]

Simms to Roosters rumour

Simms is the type of player we could use .. a 2 year contract with a possible extension. He's big, strong, has mongrel in him and knows how to run good lines and hits the holes out wide. He's not shy of rolling up his sleeves and do it tough in the middle. Can play back row or front row. I hope we are at least looking into his availability of joining us next season.

If he goes to the Rorters, for sure we'll see a statement come out for the Rorters that they secured him for under 200K .. but no mention of his 600K brown paper bag collect. How the chooks afford him .. they already have the forwards in: Crichton, Butcher x 2, Fifiita, Liu, Waerea-Hargraves, Collins, Taukeiaho, Topouniua, Radley and Verrills, then to throw Simms into list and wow they certainly have a decent pack. Not to mention their backs you have just gotta wonder how the heck the NRL cant see that they are way over the cap is beyond me .. !! Even without Friend, Morris brothers they are still way over the cap .. what's the goss with Cordner .. is playing on or retiring ..??

 

[batboy]

Some talk on NRL360 of potentially Ciraldo to be head coach. What are people's thoughts? I think it could be a circuit breaker. Pair him with Sheens as a mentor who could add clout to our brand and ability to attract players, and put the right assistant coaches around him (mix of steady older respected guys and other rising younger assistants) and we might start to build a bit of buzz for recruiting.

He could probably jag a couple of key blokes from his Penrith knowledge and links to them, and it might just be enough to get another couple of key potential recruits over the line as well. Once you can start building momentum as a destination club, it can snowball.

Could possibly build instant rapport with our young core as well and bring them on even quicker. Couldn't do worse in terms of our current defensive structures. Could be a corner turner moment.

I can see Ciraldo doing a Ivan Cleary to us. Penrith will want him back when they sack Ivan Cleary at the end of 2022.

Panthers won’t dump Ivan until they’re ready to punt Nathan.

Wanna bet? He'll get next year... That squad will start to dis-assemble and the window will close, If he goes out in straight sets this year he'll be under pressure... If they don't do well next - I certainly wouldn't be betting on him to hold his spot.... Especially if the want for Ciraldo at another club increases - They'll be forced to chose, Ivan will be finishing up a contract - And it won't matter to them....


I’m not sure Ciraldo is as important as you think he is. You think the Panthers will risk losing Nathan Cleary over some assistant coach who is unproven as an NRL coach?

I don't think he's important at all...
Success is - They've been building it for a long time time with endless resources thrown toward it...

If they don't win the comp in the next few years - They won't be blaming the squad (With upteen rep players) They'll be blaming the coach - And looking to move him on and promote from within.

If Nathan was prepared to leave the Panthers over being coached by his father - They'd both be with us.

 

[batboy]

Some talk on NRL360 of potentially Ciraldo to be head coach. What are people's thoughts? I think it could be a circuit breaker. Pair him with Sheens as a mentor who could add clout to our brand and ability to attract players, and put the right assistant coaches around him (mix of steady older respected guys and other rising younger assistants) and we might start to build a bit of buzz for recruiting.

He could probably jag a couple of key blokes from his Penrith knowledge and links to them, and it might just be enough to get another couple of key potential recruits over the line as well. Once you can start building momentum as a destination club, it can snowball.

Could possibly build instant rapport with our young core as well and bring them on even quicker. Couldn't do worse in terms of our current defensive structures. Could be a corner turner moment.

I can see Ciraldo doing a Ivan Cleary to us. Penrith will want him back when they sack Ivan Cleary at the end of 2022.

Panthers won’t dump Ivan until they’re ready to punt Nathan.

Wanna bet? He'll get next year... That squad will start to dis-assemble and the window will close, If he goes out in straight sets this year he'll be under pressure... If they don't do well next - I certainly wouldn't be betting on him to hold his spot.... Especially if the want for Ciraldo at another club increases - They'll be forced to chose, Ivan will be finishing up a contract - And it won't matter to them....

Penrith will keep the core of their players together for the majority of their careers. Crichton, Cleary, To'o, Martin, Luai, JFH, Leota, Leniu, Yeo etc. with players like that you are going to be somewhere near the top for the next few years. I don't see that squad changing drastically anytime soon.

Capewell and Burton are leaving but will be replaced by Martin and Turuva, who is going to be a superstar. they're set. as much as I would love to see Ivan to fail, they will win a premiership in the next 3 years with or without him. that window is open for the next 5 years at absolute minimum.

My point is this, IF they don’t (And they may well not) Ivan won’t be safe at all - And it won’t matter who his son is....

 

[batboy]

Some talk on NRL360 of potentially Ciraldo to be head coach. What are people's thoughts? I think it could be a circuit breaker. Pair him with Sheens as a mentor who could add clout to our brand and ability to attract players, and put the right assistant coaches around him (mix of steady older respected guys and other rising younger assistants) and we might start to build a bit of buzz for recruiting.

He could probably jag a couple of key blokes from his Penrith knowledge and links to them, and it might just be enough to get another couple of key potential recruits over the line as well. Once you can start building momentum as a destination club, it can snowball.

Could possibly build instant rapport with our young core as well and bring them on even quicker. Couldn't do worse in terms of our current defensive structures. Could be a corner turner moment.

I can see Ciraldo doing a Ivan Cleary to us. Penrith will want him back when they sack Ivan Cleary at the end of 2022.

Panthers won’t dump Ivan until they’re ready to punt Nathan.

Wanna bet? He'll get next year... That squad will start to dis-assemble and the window will close, If he goes out in straight sets this year he'll be under pressure... If they don't do well next - I certainly wouldn't be betting on him to hold his spot.... Especially if the want for Ciraldo at another club increases - They'll be forced to chose, Ivan will be finishing up a contract - And it won't matter to them....

Everyone pumping up Ciraldo’s tyres. Which basket case club has he ever fixed?

I have no opinion of him at all - But he's next in line out there (Obviously)
My point is Arrogant Ivan may not be as safe as he thinks he is If he can't get them over the line...

 

[Thaiger]

Scolari >>>>>>>Nofo

How is this being upvoted. I know everyone is in the 'we all hate Nofa' phase and admittedly he has been well below his best. But to say an untested rookie who has literally never played a game is better than last years Dally M Winger of the Year is just ridiculous. Even at his worst I really felt (unlike most here) that Nofa actually was trying really hard at the backend of the year. And also all of you guys constantly bemoan the lack of passion that anyone has for the Tigers jersey but he's one of the few that has actually been loyal to the club from the beginning. Yes he had a bad year and yes its frustrating for all of us but how about we try and back him and hope he gets back to form next season. If he doesn't then this conversation can hold a lot more weight.

I would like him a lot better if he stayed on his bloody wing and didnt run sideways

Scolari is faster and can defend

Defending on the wing in Flegg/NSW Cup and doing it in NRL are two very different things. Bloody Cini looks like a stud in Cup and we've all seen him now in the NRL. I think Nof could be a far better defender if he trusted the man outside him which is really hard considering that person changes every 2 games. Also where has this narrative that Nofa is not fast come from. Like he's not JAC but I don't think I've ever really seen him get run down and I thought he rated pretty highly in the club speed trials. At the end of the day I hope Scolari comes good and I hope Nofa does too.

I think there are a few things to point out here. I have been watching Flegg, State Cup and NRL for a number of years now & almost all of the wingers come in when defending trying to 'jam' their opposition before the ball gets wide. In frustration, I've questioned junior and senior players about this and they almost always say they are coached to do it. You would have thought that somebody like Ferguson after all of these years would know better but he seemed to get caught out on Sunday. I'm not deflecting blame from the players but it seems to happen a lot right across the board. If they 'jam' successfully, they are heroes. If they get it wrong they look very silly.

Zac Cini and Jock Madden are Australian Schoolboy Reps. Whilst this may not mean automatic NRL status, I'd like to think they will improve over time. With Cini, I would say he went very well in Cup because they had a dominant side whereas in the NRL, we are struggling against almost all other clubs so, with inexperience, this will make it harder to make an impression in his early days.

Both Nofa and Scolari (Jordan Hill and Logen Dillon) have drive and spirit. Again, that on its own doesn't see you become a great player at any level. I will say that lack of experience & playing time the past few years will pose a greater challenge for our youth to make it quickly at NRL level so Nofa has an advantage certainly. In hindsight, quite a few of the Flegg should have been given more exposure in the higher grades but now, it is what it is, and in reality the good ones will sink or swim. The quicker we get them into the offseason for training the better. Other clubs will be in a similar position.

I have not heard anything about who will be kept from the lower grades this year so at this point we don't even know who the club is looking to keep from within let alone who they will attract for next year. Mavoni is off to the Dogs and that is all I am aware of from a Flegg level at least.

I suspect that everything is in a holding pattern until this review is brought down.

 

[balmain boy]

Sorry if this has been answered already. Is there any news on James Roberts? Will the club take up their option in his contract?

We can only hope and pray the common sense prevails and we don't re-sign him to an nrl contract. NSW Cup maybe, but he's been a massive failure. If we take a gamble on a centre it should be Scott who at least still potentially has what it takes.

How is minimum wage a massive failure? I thought he was solid when he played and he certainly has his ability still there. I just wish he had more ball.

The other thing is he seems to be taking Laurie under his wing which is good for us. It helps us attract more indigenous talent.

I honestly would be giving him another year on incentives. Compare him to spending money on someone like Cini.

There is definitely no room for either Roberts or Cini in our top 30. Neither are good enough. Roberts defence is crap and he's injury prone and is still to overcome his off-field demons.

We have very few spots left to improve our current roster, which was a bottom 4 roster. We simply can't afford to waste these precious spots on old injury prone players just because they're cheap. We need to sign the next addo carr instead. Build for the future, not reminisce on the past.

We have Tahu and Griffiths to help the indigenous boys. Elliot if he comes too.

Roberts can stay on a NSW cup contract, still get to train occasionally with the NRL boys, and he can earn a spot in first grade through performances not history.

 

[yeahcaz]

Hear James Segeyaro is close to signing with an NRL club…

 

[jrtiger]

Scolari >>>>>>>Nofo

How is this being upvoted. I know everyone is in the 'we all hate Nofa' phase and admittedly he has been well below his best. But to say an untested rookie who has literally never played a game is better than last years Dally M Winger of the Year is just ridiculous. Even at his worst I really felt (unlike most here) that Nofa actually was trying really hard at the backend of the year. And also all of you guys constantly bemoan the lack of passion that anyone has for the Tigers jersey but he's one of the few that has actually been loyal to the club from the beginning. Yes he had a bad year and yes its frustrating for all of us but how about we try and back him and hope he gets back to form next season. If he doesn't then this conversation can hold a lot more weight.

I would like him a lot better if he stayed on his bloody wing and didnt run sideways

Scolari is faster and can defend

Defending on the wing in Flegg/NSW Cup and doing it in NRL are two very different things. Bloody Cini looks like a stud in Cup and we've all seen him now in the NRL. I think Nof could be a far better defender if he trusted the man outside him which is really hard considering that person changes every 2 games. Also where has this narrative that Nofa is not fast come from. Like he's not JAC but I don't think I've ever really seen him get run down and I thought he rated pretty highly in the club speed trials. At the end of the day I hope Scolari comes good and I hope Nofa does too.

I think there are a few things to point out here. I have been watching Flegg, State Cup and NRL for a number of years now & almost all of the wingers come in when defending trying to 'jam' their opposition before the ball gets wide. In frustration, I've questioned junior and senior players about this and they almost always say they are coached to do it. You would have thought that somebody like Ferguson after all of these years would know better but he seemed to get caught out on Sunday. I'm not deflecting blame from the players but it seems to happen a lot right across the board. If they 'jam' successfully, they are heroes. If they get it wrong they look very silly.

Zac Cini and Jock Madden are Australian Schoolboy Reps. Whilst this may not mean automatic NRL status, I'd like to think they will improve over time. With Cini, I would say he went very well in Cup because they had a dominant side whereas in the NRL, we are struggling against almost all other clubs so, with inexperience, this will make it harder to make an impression in his early days.

Both Nofa and Scolari (Jordan Hill and Logen Dillon) have drive and spirit. Again, that on its own doesn't see you become a great player at any level. I will say that lack of experience & playing time the past few years will pose a greater challenge for our youth to make it quickly at NRL level so Nofa has an advantage certainly. In hindsight, quite a few of the Flegg should have been given more exposure in the higher grades but now, it is what it is, and in reality the good ones will sink or swim. The quicker we get them into the offseason for training the better. Other clubs will be in a similar position.

I have not heard anything about who will be kept from the lower grades this year so at this point we don't even know who the club is looking to keep from within let alone who they will attract for next year. Mavoni is off to the Dogs and that is all I am aware of from a Flegg level at least.

I suspect that everything is in a holding pattern until this review is brought down.

thanks for that mate. fingers crossed we can hold onto the standouts. if you look at Penrith's Toyota Cup winning side in 2015, they kept that team together and you can see the benefits. so important for us long term.

 

[Devon Head]

Hear James Segeyaro is close to signing with an NRL club…

It would be very Tigers like to snap up him and his best mate Corey Norman and try sell them to the fans as superstar signings.