Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[yeahcaz]

We were leading that game I believe , until he came on with chee kam . That 20 min stint literally lost us the game . Turbo went through his corridor repeatedly , so the other edge tightened , and they went through there instead . I’m not in the business of blaming sole players for losses , but he should not have been playing that game . Whether it was bad management from our medical team or him not being honest with himself about where his body was at , I don’t know , but that was not ok .
Speaking of which , so much was made of Gray and his supposed game changing performance team , but I gotta say , we were better u der the previous high performance team .
He sent us backwards if anything . We looked better for the calendar , but that’s about it .

To be honest I know little about the Tigers performance team past or present however I def felt many games we looked completely gassed at times. Whether it was the 15mins before halftime or the final 15mins of the game we just looked completely underdone fitness wise. Hard to believe when Madge is such a task master with his teams being super fit.

A lot comes down to their mental state too though and mental toughness. With a large number of the team very young they possibly haven't developed the mental toughness to play for 80mins every week. I personally find it tiresome and boring as hell to run drills and laps or go for distance runs however come game day I can easily pump out 80mins without a sub even at 39 so I doubt it's a physical fitness issue.

I feel the team might be better off looking at a sports psychologist of sorts to mentally prepare the players better, to start faster instead of lumbering into matches and only switching on when down by 24. Help the players recognize and distinguish the difference/triggers of mental fatigue over physical fatigue and help them find ways to push through it even under pressure.

There’s every belief Madge is too hard of a taskmaster though and not every player responds well to being sworn at and ran into the dirt every training session so that could very well be part of the reason.

 

[Swordy]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

 

[tony soprano]

We were leading that game I believe , until he came on with chee kam . That 20 min stint literally lost us the game . Turbo went through his corridor repeatedly , so the other edge tightened , and they went through there instead . I’m not in the business of blaming sole players for losses , but he should not have been playing that game . Whether it was bad management from our medical team or him not being honest with himself about where his body was at , I don’t know , but that was not ok .
Speaking of which , so much was made of Gray and his supposed game changing performance team , but I gotta say , we were better u der the previous high performance team .
He sent us backwards if anything . We looked better for the calendar , but that’s about it .

To be honest I know little about the Tigers performance team past or present however I def felt many games we looked completely gassed at times. Whether it was the 15mins before halftime or the final 15mins of the game we just looked completely underdone fitness wise. Hard to believe when Madge is such a task master with his teams being super fit.

A lot comes down to their mental state too though and mental toughness. With a large number of the team very young they possibly haven't developed the mental toughness to play for 80mins every week. I personally find it tiresome and boring as hell to run drills and laps or go for distance runs however come game day I can easily pump out 80mins without a sub even at 39 so I doubt it's a physical fitness issue.

I feel the team might be better off looking at a sports psychologist of sorts to mentally prepare the players better, to start faster instead of lumbering into matches and only switching on when down by 24. Help the players recognize and distinguish the difference/triggers of mental fatigue over physical fatigue and help them find ways to push through it even under pressure.

There’s every belief Madge is too hard of a taskmaster though and not every player responds well to being sworn at and ran into the dirt every training session so that could very well be part of the reason.

I can get that when madge also appointed all his buddies which were just another mouthpiece for him, can get how that would feel too much, but if they mixed it up like they are now with sheens and other assistants could help that

 

[hsvjones]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

 

[yeahcaz]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We were leading that game I believe , until he came on with chee kam . That 20 min stint literally lost us the game . Turbo went through his corridor repeatedly , so the other edge tightened , and they went through there instead . I’m not in the business of blaming sole players for losses , but he should not have been playing that game . Whether it was bad management from our medical team or him not being honest with himself about where his body was at , I don’t know , but that was not ok .
Speaking of which , so much was made of Gray and his supposed game changing performance team , but I gotta say , we were better u der the previous high performance team .
He sent us backwards if anything . We looked better for the calendar , but that’s about it .

To be honest I know little about the Tigers performance team past or present however I def felt many games we looked completely gassed at times. Whether it was the 15mins before halftime or the final 15mins of the game we just looked completely underdone fitness wise. Hard to believe when Madge is such a task master with his teams being super fit.

A lot comes down to their mental state too though and mental toughness. With a large number of the team very young they possibly haven't developed the mental toughness to play for 80mins every week. I personally find it tiresome and boring as hell to run drills and laps or go for distance runs however come game day I can easily pump out 80mins without a sub even at 39 so I doubt it's a physical fitness issue.

I feel the team might be better off looking at a sports psychologist of sorts to mentally prepare the players better, to start faster instead of lumbering into matches and only switching on when down by 24. Help the players recognize and distinguish the difference/triggers of mental fatigue over physical fatigue and help them find ways to push through it even under pressure.

There’s every belief Madge is too hard of a taskmaster though and not every player responds well to being sworn at and ran into the dirt every training session so that could very well be part of the reason.

There is the tough way of doing things and then you have the smart way which achieves the same results but with less negative impact. I am hoping the Sheens influence will result in a better approach including tactical nous.

 

[Kelce68]

Could be Thommo.

I would probably entertain a thomo for Musgrove swap.

I agree, I definitely would be down for that. With Thommo what you see is what you get. Mus is largely and unknown and has so far failed to live up to any hype. Seems to have regular long term injury woes which have prevented him hitting any real form. Thommo is quality, hard hitting and hard running.

I would like thommo as a strong experienced first leader.

But don't think the club would swap Musgrove. He only signed a long term deal last year, apparently for understanding what dragons offered him because he wanted to play under madge.

He had that shocker against Parramatta but had a sesson ending injury from that game so assume he was injured affected.

Would like to see Musgrove with a full preseason and a string of games to establish himself. He's strong and aggressive which is what we need

Musgrove is the forgotten man. If he can get past this foot injury for good, he's a mainstay in this pack. He's a fantastic prop.

His last game for us (I think it was vs Manly) was one of the worst performances i've ever seen from an NRL player.

Yep, he had a poor game with two key misses that led directly to tries.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

We were leading that game I believe , until he came on with chee kam . That 20 min stint literally lost us the game . Turbo went through his corridor repeatedly , so the other edge tightened , and they went through there instead . I’m not in the business of blaming sole players for losses , but he should not have been playing that game . Whether it was bad management from our medical team or him not being honest with himself about where his body was at , I don’t know , but that was not ok .
Speaking of which , so much was made of Gray and his supposed game changing performance team , but I gotta say , we were better u der the previous high performance team .
He sent us backwards if anything . We looked better for the calendar , but that’s about it .

To be honest I know little about the Tigers performance team past or present however I def felt many games we looked completely gassed at times. Whether it was the 15mins before halftime or the final 15mins of the game we just looked completely underdone fitness wise. Hard to believe when Madge is such a task master with his teams being super fit.

A lot comes down to their mental state too though and mental toughness. With a large number of the team very young they possibly haven't developed the mental toughness to play for 80mins every week. I personally find it tiresome and boring as hell to run drills and laps or go for distance runs however come game day I can easily pump out 80mins without a sub even at 39 so I doubt it's a physical fitness issue.

I feel the team might be better off looking at a sports psychologist of sorts to mentally prepare the players better, to start faster instead of lumbering into matches and only switching on when down by 24. Help the players recognize and distinguish the difference/triggers of mental fatigue over physical fatigue and help them find ways to push through it even under pressure.

There’s every belief Madge is too hard of a taskmaster though and not every player responds well to being sworn at and ran into the dirt every training session so that could very well be part of the reason.

Correct, this is a well established psychological fact. As far as I know, it came from the psychological study of air force pilots. In this study, some pilots performance went down when criticised and improved when awarded. The other group behaved precisely the opposite when rewarded their performance went down and improved when criticised.

 

[Newtown]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

We can't put too many youngster on the field if there are no experinced leaders to encourage them through the tough stuff. Don't mention Tamou as a leader.

 

[hsvjones]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

IDK to be honest but for me adding a few with true leadership is a must.. Finucane would of been good but I think he wanted 4 years but surely there is others out there.

 

[tony soprano]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

IDK to be honest but for me adding a few with true leadership is a must.. Finucane would of been good but I think he wanted 4 years but surely there is others out there.

Yeah agree didn't look too good against Penrith.

 

[yeahcaz]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

IDK to be honest but for me adding a few with true leadership is a must.. Finucane would of been good but I think he wanted 4 years but surely there is others out there.

Yeah agree didn't look too good against Penrith.

Still his presence in training and impact on players would’ve made him worth it. Like what a kick in the guts it was when Stef returned from origin camp and the first player he mentions is finucane

 

[Camel2281]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

Too many blokes like Brooks and M'Bye who are only there to collect a paycheck. And they've both spent time as Captain

 

[JC99]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

Too many blokes like Brooks and M'Bye who are only there to collect a paycheck. And they've both spent time as Captain

Wonder who picked those blokes every week and made them captain ?

 

[cochise]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

IDK to be honest but for me adding a few with true leadership is a must.. Finucane would of been good but I think he wanted 4 years but surely there is others out there.

Yeah agree didn't look too good against Penrith.

Still his presence in training and impact on players would’ve made him worth it. Like what a kick in the guts it was when Stef returned from origin camp and the first player he mentions is finucane

Not for 4 years it wouldn't.

 

[yeahcaz]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

IDK to be honest but for me adding a few with true leadership is a must.. Finucane would of been good but I think he wanted 4 years but surely there is others out there.

Yeah agree didn't look too good against Penrith.

Still his presence in training and impact on players would’ve made him worth it. Like what a kick in the guts it was when Stef returned from origin camp and the first player he mentions is finucane

Not for 4 years it wouldn't.

He won’t play 4 years at Cronulla and he certainly won’t sit out still getting paid, I don’t believe he’s that type of person

 

[weststigerman]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

Agree. We’ve tried signing leaders in the past and they proved they’re just not here for the right reasons (Packer, Mbye, Reynolds etc).

Finucane is a different type of person than those guys, and he is the only one I really regret missing. Tariq Sims is probably the closest to that type of player on the market but he could also just as easy backfire.

 

[PJ_]

Could be Thommo.

I would probably entertain a thomo for Musgrove swap.

I agree, I definitely would be down for that. With Thommo what you see is what you get. Mus is largely and unknown and has so far failed to live up to any hype. Seems to have regular long term injury woes which have prevented him hitting any real form. Thommo is quality, hard hitting and hard running.

I would like thommo as a strong experienced first leader.

But don't think the club would swap Musgrove. He only signed a long term deal last year, apparently for understanding what dragons offered him because he wanted to play under madge.

He had that shocker against Parramatta but had a sesson ending injury from that game so assume he was injured affected.

Would like to see Musgrove with a full preseason and a string of games to establish himself. He's strong and aggressive which is what we need

Musgrove is the forgotten man. If he can get past this foot injury for good, he's a mainstay in this pack. He's a fantastic prop.

His last game for us (I think it was vs Manly) was one of the worst performances i've ever seen from an NRL player.

Yep, he had a poor game **with two key kisses** that led directly to tries.

??

 

[cochise]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

IDK to be honest but for me adding a few with true leadership is a must.. Finucane would of been good but I think he wanted 4 years but surely there is others out there.

Yeah agree didn't look too good against Penrith.

Still his presence in training and impact on players would’ve made him worth it. Like what a kick in the guts it was when Stef returned from origin camp and the first player he mentions is finucane

Not for 4 years it wouldn't.

He won’t play 4 years at Cronulla and he certainly won’t sit out still getting paid, I don’t believe he’s that type of person

He was asking for 4 years.

 

[weststigerman]

We have no leaders on the field. I personally believe it's that simple.

When the chips are down on field, there is no one there to read the riot act. No one holding others accountable. No one to stand there and say "I'm not taking this **** any longer!"

It's just players looking at each other with that stupid look. It's a mental game every bit as it is physical. Who is going to stand there and say "get your **** sorted lads!" ?

When we sort that..........

agree 100% You add 2-3 real leaders to this team this year and we make the 8..
Everyone keep saying Juniors are our way out of this and yes I agree to an extent but without leaders WHO is leading them and showing them what right or wrong..
Who are they -- IDK but we need to buy some before we lose some of these exciting juniors to other clubs as we lack leadership they crave.

But who out there currently is a leader ? Sims would literally be the only one. We really missed the boat not signing finucane, absolute joke he wasn’t top priority.

IDK to be honest but for me adding a few with true leadership is a must.. Finucane would of been good but I think he wanted 4 years but surely there is others out there.

Yeah agree didn't look too good against Penrith.

Still his presence in training and impact on players would’ve made him worth it. Like what a kick in the guts it was when Stef returned from origin camp and the first player he mentions is finucane

Not for 4 years it wouldn't.

He won’t play 4 years at Cronulla and he certainly won’t sit out still getting paid, I don’t believe he’s that type of person

He was asking for 4 years.

He’s on a reduced salary for the 4th year, Taumalolo for example is on $1M at the same stage of their careers.