Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[earl]

If Api K was so important to the Panthers, they would find a way to keep him. My guess is he's the type of person they would be ok to see the back of.

In short, I think he's a knob. His rap sheet is enough to avoid signing him, I would hope. I rate him exactly as I rated Hodgson; more of the problem than the solution.


Agree, unvaccinated. Chequered history off the field. Only at his best with a world class halfback (Cleary). Not sure we need to go down this path long term.

He sounds like a moron. We need a hooker though. It'd be better if we could get him for 2 years rather than 3 and starting from next year. I'd also put lots of clauses in his contract so we can sack him if he is a moron.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I admire all the hard work put in by the recruitment team to improve the roster. As I have stated ad nauseum, all this will not make one iota of difference until Maguire is challenged to change his five hit ups and a bomb gameplan. Let's see the powers to be shake up the way we play as well.


His game plan is simple and will only work if ALL the players buy in. That didnt happen last year and the coach was struggling to cover all aspect of his job. The club has now placed better people around him and reduced his role to ease the pressure on him.

Only good things to come from Maguire this season. Sheens wont cop players not buying in and Maguire now has support and depth to remove those from the weekly team.

You may need to find another hook to hang your hat on. I can see Maguires game plan working well for us this season.

It's up to Maguire to get the players to "buy into his style". That is called leadership. Passing the responsibility of leadership up the line would would not be tolerated in my workplace.


He wont be passing that responsibility up the line.

Sheens has and will continue to change the attitude of the entire team and some of his decision have already hinted to who Maguire thought wasnt buying in to his system.

Should be good to watch. Players playing with passion again. I expect many players to improve out of sight this season now that they have had a year or two under coach Maguire.

It is interesting that someone had to be brought in over the top of Maguire to effect attitudinal change. That says it all really.

I would posit that Sheens was brought in as the person previously in charge was ineffective in his role, given the recruitment structure of the club had changed post-Ivan. If the club manages to make serious moves in the market in this off season, it would lend credence to that assertion.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Surely the plan is Api for 22, 23, 24.

Would be a hard sell considering the Panthers are yet again a premiership threat. They would have no desire to weaken themselves downgrading from their premiership hooker to a Kenny, Liddle, etc...

Listen Liddle is a superstar and just what a team like Panthers need, a hooker who can punch out a quality 20 mins and pass poorly


Yet Liddle is still a better player than Simpkin who suffers from white line fever as well as everything else you criticise Liddle for

who is 9 games in to his career not 64
Time will help Simpkin, obvious Sheens doesn't rate Liddle as highly as other did as they keep having cracks at Hodgo now Api desperate for a quality 9


Back again I see Jedi, with the slipper! Classy. Look I do agree that api is a quality hooker and is a better hooker than liddle at this point in his career. But he turns 30 next year and spent a big portion of last season injured. If u were smart, u would have to ask why the panthers don’t want him next season???
So we sign him on a 3 year deal starting in 23, so 34-35 years old in his last season with us, a bit of a risk. 3 years is ok if it starts next season.
Maybe we should start a thread of people’s hatred for brooks, Nofa and liddle, so Jedi and others don’t have to travel to far to get their kicks??

Nice to see you back Mr Liddle

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I admire all the hard work put in by the recruitment team to improve the roster. As I have stated ad nauseum, all this will not make one iota of difference until Maguire is challenged to change his five hit ups and a bomb gameplan. Let's see the powers to be shake up the way we play as well.


His game plan is simple and will only work if ALL the players buy in. That didnt happen last year and the coach was struggling to cover all aspect of his job. The club has now placed better people around him and reduced his role to ease the pressure on him.

Only good things to come from Maguire this season. Sheens wont cop players not buying in and Maguire now has support and depth to remove those from the weekly team.

You may need to find another hook to hang your hat on. I can see Maguires game plan working well for us this season.

It's up to Maguire to get the players to "buy into his style". That is called leadership. Passing the responsibility of leadership up the line would would not be tolerated in my workplace.


He wont be passing that responsibility up the line.

Sheens has and will continue to change the attitude of the entire team and some of his decision have already hinted to who Maguire thought wasnt buying in to his system.

Should be good to watch. Players playing with passion again. I expect many players to improve out of sight this season now that they have had a year or two under coach Maguire.

It is interesting that someone had to be brought in over the top of Maguire to effect attitudinal change. That says it all really.

I would posit that Sheens was brought in as the person previously in charge was ineffective in his role, given the recruitment structure of the club had changed post-Ivan. If the club manages to make serious moves in the market in this off season, it would lend credence to that assertion.

I am really torn. The club is definitely improving in our recruitment and we have retained the best of our young players (admittedly Jordan Hill has left us). Our junior development systems/training has had a major revamp. Sheens' return and McDonnell is a huge win for the club. On the other side ...............

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Surely the plan is Api for 22, 23, 24.

Would be a hard sell considering the Panthers are yet again a premiership threat. They would have no desire to weaken themselves downgrading from their premiership hooker to a Kenny, Liddle, etc...

Listen Liddle is a superstar and just what a team like Panthers need, a hooker who can punch out a quality 20 mins and pass poorly


Yet Liddle is still a better player than Simpkin who suffers from white line fever as well as everything else you criticise Liddle for

who is 9 games in to his career not 64
Time will help Simpkin, obvious Sheens doesn't rate Liddle as highly as other did as they keep having cracks at Hodgo now Api desperate for a quality 9


Back again I see Jedi, with the slipper! Classy. Look I do agree that api is a quality hooker and is a better hooker than liddle at this point in his career. But he turns 30 next year and spent a big portion of last season injured. If u were smart, u would have to ask why the panthers don’t want him next season???
So we sign him on a 3 year deal starting in 23, so 34-35 years old in his last season with us, a bit of a risk. 3 years is ok if it starts next season.
Maybe we should start a thread of people’s hatred for brooks, Nofa and liddle, so Jedi and others don’t have to travel to far to get their kicks??

why don't we just start ab All the way Thread for your support of Liddle nothing negative allowed here
you are right let's not sign a SOO rep player and GF winner in Api and keep Liddle please
With Brooks no other option in the halves so he stays.

 

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The Wests Tigers have made an audacious play designed to hit back at North Queensland’s poaching of Luciano Leilua by offering young gun teenager Jeremiah Nanai a $600,000 two-year deal for 2023 and 2024.

Nanai, 18, is regarded by good judges as one of the best emerging backrowers in the NRL and made his debut last season playing four games for the Cowboys.

The Cowboys are continuing to monitor the Leilua situation at Wests Tigers with early reports suggesting the backrower may request an immediate release.

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Wests Tigers have so far refused this request but if coach Michael Maguire and director of football Tim Sheens were to land the signature of Nanai then the clubs would look to open negotiations about an immediate swap.

Tigers’ director of football Sheens confirmed to Fox Sports the club had made an offer for Nanai to move to the Concord-based club in 2023 and 2024.


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Since the arrival of Sheens the Tigers have landed the signature of Dally M back-rower of the year Isaiah Papali’i for 2023 and are currently in a race with the Canberra Raiders to sign Canterbury-Bankstown outside back Nick Cotric.

The Tigers are also deep in negotiations to try and extend the contract of rising front-rower Stefano Utoikamanu as the club sets about overhauling its roster.

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Sheens has gone to great lengths to point out coach Maguire is still the figurehead of the club while the newly-arrived director of football is simply assisting Wests Tigers in solving the stigma of being a club players try to avoid joining.

Whereas Canterbury-Bankstown general manager of football Phil Gould has immediately made some major plays in the NRL’s open market the Tigers are aiming for a more measured rebuild.

Premiers Penrith are a recent example of a club who were widely regarded as being no threat to the competition before emerging as one of the Sydney power clubs in the last two seasons.


If anyone knows about rebuilding clubs and overhauling rosters it is four-time premiership-winner Sheens.

If there’s an area the Tigers were in need of a major overhaul it was the club’s recruitment and retention with the experienced Warren McDonnell also returning to Concord to help fix the mess.

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Sheens and McDonnell were part of the Wests Tigers’ one and only premiership in 2005 when the pair utilised an outstanding crop of local juniors headed by Robbie Farah, Brett Hodgson, Dene Halatau, Bryce Gibbs and Liam Fulton.

Wests Tigers’ favourite son Benji Marshall was also integral and has since returned to Concord this year after a bitter fallout saw him play a farewell season with South Sydney in 2021.

Farah and fellow 2005 grand final hero Pat Richards are now working with the Tigers NRL side while Marshall is working in pathways and as a Wests Tigers ambassador.

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Seems to be a great deal for Nanai. 600k but he is only 18. Probably not ready for the NRL.

Oh wait we dont hold anyone back. His body is still growing and we will thrash him in first grade.

It's 600k over 2 years. So only 300k per season. Plus he's already played first grade

 

[The_Patriot]

I admire all the hard work put in by the recruitment team to improve the roster. As I have stated ad nauseum, all this will not make one iota of difference until Maguire is challenged to change his five hit ups and a bomb gameplan. Let's see the powers to be shake up the way we play as well.


His game plan is simple and will only work if ALL the players buy in. That didnt happen last year and the coach was struggling to cover all aspect of his job. The club has now placed better people around him and reduced his role to ease the pressure on him.

Only good things to come from Maguire this season. Sheens wont cop players not buying in and Maguire now has support and depth to remove those from the weekly team.

You may need to find another hook to hang your hat on. I can see Maguires game plan working well for us this season.

It's up to Maguire to get the players to "buy into his style". That is called leadership. Passing the responsibility of leadership up the line would would not be tolerated in my workplace.


He wont be passing that responsibility up the line.

Sheens has and will continue to change the attitude of the entire team and some of his decision have already hinted to who Maguire thought wasnt buying in to his system.

Should be good to watch. Players playing with passion again. I expect many players to improve out of sight this season now that they have had a year or two under coach Maguire.

It is interesting that someone had to be brought in over the top of Maguire to effect attitudinal change. That says it all really.

Not really. Thats your take on it.

Reality is the club has restructured the entire football department. What they have done was long long over due. Our current system is now in line with the leaders in the NRL.

Its a shame we let it get so out of shape that Maguire was left running the whole club like it was 1984. Having Pascoe and Lee interfering in football matters, poor quality assistant coaches, no one looking at pathways,working with the out of his depth Hartigan etc etc.

I have been very critical of Maguire myself but the new set up has changed my opinion once again.

Hindsight has shown that it was hard to judge Maguire under the old system, he had more excuses than Luke Brooks.

Now we see where this club is at.

Exciting times.

#fluidopinions

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Surely the plan is Api for 22, 23, 24.

Would be a hard sell considering the Panthers are yet again a premiership threat. They would have no desire to weaken themselves downgrading from their premiership hooker to a Kenny, Liddle, etc...

Listen Liddle is a superstar and just what a team like Panthers need, a hooker who can punch out a quality 20 mins and pass poorly


Love these comments. Liddle is not good enough for us, yet would be for the premiers. That’s the line you are trying to sell. Think about that.

sarcastice mate of course he is not good enough for Penrith.
He will end up at Parra if we sign Api,

 

[batboy]

Surely the plan is Api for 22, 23, 24.

Would be a hard sell considering the Panthers are yet again a premiership threat. They would have no desire to weaken themselves downgrading from their premiership hooker to a Kenny, Liddle, etc...

Listen Liddle is a superstar and just what a team like Panthers need, a hooker who can punch out a quality 20 mins and pass poorly


Yet Liddle is still a better player than Simpkin who suffers from white line fever as well as everything else you criticise Liddle for

who is 9 games in to his career not 64
Time will help Simpkin, obvious Sheens doesn't rate Liddle as highly as other did as they keep having cracks at Hodgo now Api desperate for a quality 9


Back again I see Jedi, with the slipper! Classy. Look I do agree that api is a quality hooker and is a better hooker than liddle at this point in his career. But he turns 30 next year and spent a big portion of last season injured. If u were smart, u would have to ask why the panthers don’t want him next season???
So we sign him on a 3 year deal starting in 23, so 34-35 years old in his last season with us, a bit of a risk. 3 years is ok if it starts next season.
Maybe we should start a thread of people’s hatred for brooks, Nofa and liddle, so Jedi and others don’t have to travel to far to get their kicks??

why don't we just start ab All the way Thread for your support of Liddle nothing negative allowed here
you are right let's not sign a SOO rep player and GF winner in Api and keep Liddle please
With Brooks no other option in the halves so he stays.

You're just here to invent arguments man,
Seriously - It's getting old.
No one said Liddle is amazing, No one said don't sign Api...
No one says half the crap you claim they do.

Pull your head in.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I admire all the hard work put in by the recruitment team to improve the roster. As I have stated ad nauseum, all this will not make one iota of difference until Maguire is challenged to change his five hit ups and a bomb gameplan. Let's see the powers to be shake up the way we play as well.


His game plan is simple and will only work if ALL the players buy in. That didnt happen last year and the coach was struggling to cover all aspect of his job. The club has now placed better people around him and reduced his role to ease the pressure on him.

Only good things to come from Maguire this season. Sheens wont cop players not buying in and Maguire now has support and depth to remove those from the weekly team.

You may need to find another hook to hang your hat on. I can see Maguires game plan working well for us this season.

It's up to Maguire to get the players to "buy into his style". That is called leadership. Passing the responsibility of leadership up the line would would not be tolerated in my workplace.


He wont be passing that responsibility up the line.

Sheens has and will continue to change the attitude of the entire team and some of his decision have already hinted to who Maguire thought wasnt buying in to his system.

Should be good to watch. Players playing with passion again. I expect many players to improve out of sight this season now that they have had a year or two under coach Maguire.

It is interesting that someone had to be brought in over the top of Maguire to effect attitudinal change. That says it all really.

I would posit that Sheens was brought in as the person previously in charge was ineffective in his role, given the recruitment structure of the club had changed post-Ivan. If the club manages to make serious moves in the market in this off season, it would lend credence to that assertion.

I am really torn. The club is definitely improving in our recruitment and we have retained the best of our young players (admittedly Jordan Hill has left us). Our junior development systems/training has had a major revamp. Sheens' return and McDonnell is a huge win for the club. On the other side ...............

Hmmm, it does appear that way. Maybe the guy who was let go wasn't doing his job effectively? I see the issues as a combo of the following:

- Re-organisation of the recruitment process after Ivan dicked us, limiting head coach power in recruitment decisions;
- Constant rumours of Hartigan being hard to get a hold of or simply not responding. He doesn't have the profile of the likes of Sheens, a man who knows what it takes to get a club firing and win premierships. Hartigan does not have that profile and couldn't afford to be aloof and have it all his way;
- The fedora and Fiasco constantly meddling in recruitment affairs and making premature public statements leading to promising targets signing elsewhere.


The above alone has resulted in a sub-standard roster which then requires a simple game plan to play to what little strengths they have. I have no doubt that Madge could do things better as well, but if this is the best the "recruitment" team could do, how else he able to compete? As the old adage goes, you can't make a silk purse from a pigs ear.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Surely the plan is Api for 22, 23, 24.

Would be a hard sell considering the Panthers are yet again a premiership threat. They would have no desire to weaken themselves downgrading from their premiership hooker to a Kenny, Liddle, etc...

Listen Liddle is a superstar and just what a team like Panthers need, a hooker who can punch out a quality 20 mins and pass poorly


Yet Liddle is still a better player than Simpkin who suffers from white line fever as well as everything else you criticise Liddle for

who is 9 games in to his career not 64
Time will help Simpkin, obvious Sheens doesn't rate Liddle as highly as other did as they keep having cracks at Hodgo now Api desperate for a quality 9


Back again I see Jedi, with the slipper! Classy. Look I do agree that api is a quality hooker and is a better hooker than liddle at this point in his career. But he turns 30 next year and spent a big portion of last season injured. If u were smart, u would have to ask why the panthers don’t want him next season???
So we sign him on a 3 year deal starting in 23, so 34-35 years old in his last season with us, a bit of a risk. 3 years is ok if it starts next season.
Maybe we should start a thread of people’s hatred for brooks, Nofa and liddle, so Jedi and others don’t have to travel to far to get their kicks??

why don't we just start ab All the way Thread for your support of Liddle nothing negative allowed here
you are right let's not sign a SOO rep player and GF winner in Api and keep Liddle please
With Brooks no other option in the halves so he stays.

You're just here to invent arguments man,
Seriously - It's getting old.
No one said Liddle is amazing, No one said don't sign Api...
No one says half the crap you claim they do.

Pull your head in.

yet I get criticised for saying move Liddle on you don't need 3 hookersif we sign Api

 

[batboy]

Surely the plan is Api for 22, 23, 24.

Would be a hard sell considering the Panthers are yet again a premiership threat. They would have no desire to weaken themselves downgrading from their premiership hooker to a Kenny, Liddle, etc...

Listen Liddle is a superstar and just what a team like Panthers need, a hooker who can punch out a quality 20 mins and pass poorly


Yet Liddle is still a better player than Simpkin who suffers from white line fever as well as everything else you criticise Liddle for

who is 9 games in to his career not 64
Time will help Simpkin, obvious Sheens doesn't rate Liddle as highly as other did as they keep having cracks at Hodgo now Api desperate for a quality 9


Back again I see Jedi, with the slipper! Classy. Look I do agree that api is a quality hooker and is a better hooker than liddle at this point in his career. But he turns 30 next year and spent a big portion of last season injured. If u were smart, u would have to ask why the panthers don’t want him next season???
So we sign him on a 3 year deal starting in 23, so 34-35 years old in his last season with us, a bit of a risk. 3 years is ok if it starts next season.
Maybe we should start a thread of people’s hatred for brooks, Nofa and liddle, so Jedi and others don’t have to travel to far to get their kicks??

why don't we just start ab All the way Thread for your support of Liddle nothing negative allowed here
you are right let's not sign a SOO rep player and GF winner in Api and keep Liddle please
With Brooks no other option in the halves so he stays.

You're just here to invent arguments man,
Seriously - It's getting old.
No one said Liddle is amazing, No one said don't sign Api...
No one says half the crap you claim they do.

Pull your head in.

yet I get criticised for saying move Liddle on you don't need 3 hookersif we sign Api

IF.... IF.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Surely the plan is Api for 22, 23, 24.

Would be a hard sell considering the Panthers are yet again a premiership threat. They would have no desire to weaken themselves downgrading from their premiership hooker to a Kenny, Liddle, etc...

Listen Liddle is a superstar and just what a team like Panthers need, a hooker who can punch out a quality 20 mins and pass poorly


Yet Liddle is still a better player than Simpkin who suffers from white line fever as well as everything else you criticise Liddle for

who is 9 games in to his career not 64
Time will help Simpkin, obvious Sheens doesn't rate Liddle as highly as other did as they keep having cracks at Hodgo now Api desperate for a quality 9


Back again I see Jedi, with the slipper! Classy. Look I do agree that api is a quality hooker and is a better hooker than liddle at this point in his career. But he turns 30 next year and spent a big portion of last season injured. If u were smart, u would have to ask why the panthers don’t want him next season???
So we sign him on a 3 year deal starting in 23, so 34-35 years old in his last season with us, a bit of a risk. 3 years is ok if it starts next season.
Maybe we should start a thread of people’s hatred for brooks, Nofa and liddle, so Jedi and others don’t have to travel to far to get their kicks??

why don't we just start ab All the way Thread for your support of Liddle nothing negative allowed here
you are right let's not sign a SOO rep player and GF winner in Api and keep Liddle please
With Brooks no other option in the halves so he stays.

You're just here to invent arguments man,
Seriously - It's getting old.
No one said Liddle is amazing, No one said don't sign Api...
No one says half the crap you claim they do.

Pull your head in.

yet I get criticised for saying move Liddle on you don't need 3 hookersif we sign Api

IF.... IF.

I get you like liddle good luck to you, If he was the answer why would we be looking at Hodgo and now Api we seem desperate for a 9

 

[The_Patriot]

I admire all the hard work put in by the recruitment team to improve the roster. As I have stated ad nauseum, all this will not make one iota of difference until Maguire is challenged to change his five hit ups and a bomb gameplan. Let's see the powers to be shake up the way we play as well.


His game plan is simple and will only work if ALL the players buy in. That didnt happen last year and the coach was struggling to cover all aspect of his job. The club has now placed better people around him and reduced his role to ease the pressure on him.

Only good things to come from Maguire this season. Sheens wont cop players not buying in and Maguire now has support and depth to remove those from the weekly team.

You may need to find another hook to hang your hat on. I can see Maguires game plan working well for us this season.

It's up to Maguire to get the players to "buy into his style". That is called leadership. Passing the responsibility of leadership up the line would would not be tolerated in my workplace.


He wont be passing that responsibility up the line.

Sheens has and will continue to change the attitude of the entire team and some of his decision have already hinted to who Maguire thought wasnt buying in to his system.

Should be good to watch. Players playing with passion again. I expect many players to improve out of sight this season now that they have had a year or two under coach Maguire.

It is interesting that someone had to be brought in over the top of Maguire to effect attitudinal change. That says it all really.

I would posit that Sheens was brought in as the person previously in charge was ineffective in his role, given the recruitment structure of the club had changed post-Ivan. If the club manages to make serious moves in the market in this off season, it would lend credence to that assertion.

Agreed.

You recruit mentality you cant teach it.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I admire all the hard work put in by the recruitment team to improve the roster. As I have stated ad nauseum, all this will not make one iota of difference until Maguire is challenged to change his five hit ups and a bomb gameplan. Let's see the powers to be shake up the way we play as well.


His game plan is simple and will only work if ALL the players buy in. That didnt happen last year and the coach was struggling to cover all aspect of his job. The club has now placed better people around him and reduced his role to ease the pressure on him.

Only good things to come from Maguire this season. Sheens wont cop players not buying in and Maguire now has support and depth to remove those from the weekly team.

You may need to find another hook to hang your hat on. I can see Maguires game plan working well for us this season.

It's up to Maguire to get the players to "buy into his style". That is called leadership. Passing the responsibility of leadership up the line would would not be tolerated in my workplace.


He wont be passing that responsibility up the line.

Sheens has and will continue to change the attitude of the entire team and some of his decision have already hinted to who Maguire thought wasnt buying in to his system.

Should be good to watch. Players playing with passion again. I expect many players to improve out of sight this season now that they have had a year or two under coach Maguire.

It is interesting that someone had to be brought in over the top of Maguire to effect attitudinal change. That says it all really.

I would posit that Sheens was brought in as the person previously in charge was ineffective in his role, given the recruitment structure of the club had changed post-Ivan. If the club manages to make serious moves in the market in this off season, it would lend credence to that assertion.

I am really torn. The club is definitely improving in our recruitment and we have retained the best of our young players (admittedly Jordan Hill has left us). Our junior development systems/training has had a major revamp. Sheens' return and McDonnell is a huge win for the club. On the other side ...............

Hmmm, it does appear that way. Maybe the guy who was let go wasn't doing his job effectively? I see the issues as a combo of the following:

- Re-organisation of the recruitment process after Ivan dicked us, limiting head coach power in recruitment decisions;
- Constant rumours of Hartigan being hard to get a hold of or simply not responding. He doesn't have the profile of the likes of Sheens, a man who knows what it takes to get a club firing and win premierships. Hartigan does not have that profile and couldn't afford to be aloof and have it all his way;
- The fedora and Fiasco constantly meddling in recruitment affairs and making premature public statements leading to promising targets signing elsewhere.


The above alone has resulted in a sub-standard roster which then requires a simple game plan to play to what little strengths they have. I have no doubt that Madge could do things better as well, but if this is the best the "recruitment" team could do, how else he able to compete? As the old adage goes, you can't make a silk purse from a pigs ear.

All fair comments. Perhaps I am just old and used to the WTs throwing the ball around, being entertainers and supporters of all clubs admiring the way we once played (even though we didn't win all the time).

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I admire all the hard work put in by the recruitment team to improve the roster. As I have stated ad nauseum, all this will not make one iota of difference until Maguire is challenged to change his five hit ups and a bomb gameplan. Let's see the powers to be shake up the way we play as well.


His game plan is simple and will only work if ALL the players buy in. That didnt happen last year and the coach was struggling to cover all aspect of his job. The club has now placed better people around him and reduced his role to ease the pressure on him.

Only good things to come from Maguire this season. Sheens wont cop players not buying in and Maguire now has support and depth to remove those from the weekly team.

You may need to find another hook to hang your hat on. I can see Maguires game plan working well for us this season.

It's up to Maguire to get the players to "buy into his style". That is called leadership. Passing the responsibility of leadership up the line would would not be tolerated in my workplace.


He wont be passing that responsibility up the line.

Sheens has and will continue to change the attitude of the entire team and some of his decision have already hinted to who Maguire thought wasnt buying in to his system.

Should be good to watch. Players playing with passion again. I expect many players to improve out of sight this season now that they have had a year or two under coach Maguire.

It is interesting that someone had to be brought in over the top of Maguire to effect attitudinal change. That says it all really.


Not really. Thats your take on it.

Reality is the club has restructured the entire football department. What they have done was long long over due. Our current system is now in line with the leaders in the NRL.

Its a shame we let it get so out of shape that Maguire was left running the whole club like it was 1984. Having Pascoe and Lee interfering in football matters, poor quality assistant coaches, no one looking at pathways,working with the out of his depth Hartigan etc etc.

I have been very critical of Maguire myself but the new set up has changed my opinion once again.

Hindsight has shown that it was hard to judge Maguire under the old system, he had more excuses than Luke Brooks.

Now we see where this club is at.

Exciting times.

#fluidopinions

All fair comments as well. I enjoyed reading them.

 

[Camel2281]

Surely the plan is Api for 22, 23, 24.

Would be a hard sell considering the Panthers are yet again a premiership threat. They would have no desire to weaken themselves downgrading from their premiership hooker to a Kenny, Liddle, etc...

Listen Liddle is a superstar and just what a team like Panthers need, a hooker who can punch out a quality 20 mins and pass poorly


Yet Liddle is still a better player than Simpkin who suffers from white line fever as well as everything else you criticise Liddle for

who is 9 games in to his career not 64
Time will help Simpkin, obvious Sheens doesn't rate Liddle as highly as other did as they keep having cracks at Hodgo now Api desperate for a quality 9


Back again I see Jedi, with the slipper! Classy. Look I do agree that api is a quality hooker and is a better hooker than liddle at this point in his career. But he turns 30 next year and spent a big portion of last season injured. If u were smart, u would have to ask why the panthers don’t want him next season???
So we sign him on a 3 year deal starting in 23, so 34-35 years old in his last season with us, a bit of a risk. 3 years is ok if it starts next season.
Maybe we should start a thread of people’s hatred for brooks, Nofa and liddle, so Jedi and others don’t have to travel to far to get their kicks??

why don't we just start ab All the way Thread for your support of Liddle nothing negative allowed here
you are right let's not sign a SOO rep player and GF winner in Api and keep Liddle please
With Brooks no other option in the halves so he stays.

You're just here to invent arguments man,
Seriously - It's getting old.
No one said Liddle is amazing, No one said don't sign Api...
No one says half the crap you claim they do.

Pull your head in.

How has he invented an argument. Alltheway has slagged him off using bogus points. Api turned 30 a couple of weeks ago and Alltheway is trying to claim a three year deal would make him 35 at the end of it. Api is 30 in the 2022 season. If it's a 3 year deal from next year then he finishes the contract at 32 years old, if it's from 2023 then he finishes at 33. That's not ancient. Blokes like Alltheway are the problem with this joint, he's either too thick to be able to count or making stuff up to make himself look good

 

[batboy]

Surely the plan is Api for 22, 23, 24.

Would be a hard sell considering the Panthers are yet again a premiership threat. They would have no desire to weaken themselves downgrading from their premiership hooker to a Kenny, Liddle, etc...

Listen Liddle is a superstar and just what a team like Panthers need, a hooker who can punch out a quality 20 mins and pass poorly


Yet Liddle is still a better player than Simpkin who suffers from white line fever as well as everything else you criticise Liddle for

who is 9 games in to his career not 64
Time will help Simpkin, obvious Sheens doesn't rate Liddle as highly as other did as they keep having cracks at Hodgo now Api desperate for a quality 9


Back again I see Jedi, with the slipper! Classy. Look I do agree that api is a quality hooker and is a better hooker than liddle at this point in his career. But he turns 30 next year and spent a big portion of last season injured. If u were smart, u would have to ask why the panthers don’t want him next season???
So we sign him on a 3 year deal starting in 23, so 34-35 years old in his last season with us, a bit of a risk. 3 years is ok if it starts next season.
Maybe we should start a thread of people’s hatred for brooks, Nofa and liddle, so Jedi and others don’t have to travel to far to get their kicks??

why don't we just start ab All the way Thread for your support of Liddle nothing negative allowed here
you are right let's not sign a SOO rep player and GF winner in Api and keep Liddle please
With Brooks no other option in the halves so he stays.

You're just here to invent arguments man,
Seriously - It's getting old.
No one said Liddle is amazing, No one said don't sign Api...
No one says half the crap you claim they do.

Pull your head in.

yet I get criticised for saying move Liddle on you don't need 3 hookersif we sign Api

IF.... IF.

I get you like liddle good luck to you, If he was the answer why would we be looking at Hodgo and now Api we seem desperate for a 9

Get that you talk first - And as often as possible, And possibly don't bother to read at all....
But go back to the list of Hookers I named (Including Api) that would be an improvement on Liddle, I also stated that UNLESS we're signing one of them, It's best to keep Liddle... (Or words to that effect)
IF - IF we sign one of those players, Then the conversation changes... But that hasn't happened yet - As I've told you before, I deal in reality only.
Api also has the option to join a top 4 side, That would be a like for like replacement of the player they've lost...

What happens if we sign Api for 23, And Simpkin requests a release on compassionate grounds to go home and join the Dolphins... We've got one hooker.
There's no logic in anything you've said up until now...

 

[tony soprano]

Richio thinks Panthers have told api to go to parra.