Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Bula]

Can we please talk definition of depth. IMO It gets tossed around too much on here. For me a club has ‘good depth’ where it can replace proven first graders with other first grade talent. e.g. Teddy goes down, Joey Manu goes to FB and Aubo steps into centre (pre retirement).
. syaing we've got a bunch o
A. Not many of our players are consistent FGers
B. Most of our back up players are fringies at best.

Let’s keep it real.

According to Darcie Mcdonald at Foz we have teh 4th best depth chart in the league!

lol, she's clueless. saying we've got a bunch of players who can play nrl, just not very well, doesn't mean we have depth. We have the depth in quantity, not quality.

A large wardrobe full of beige socks and undies.

 

[crazycat]


What a throwback!

I thought Lamar second guy on right would of taken off in first grade.

Everyone thought that aye...

Never happened.
?

Who are they all.
I only recognise the FOX.

 

[Demps]


What a throwback!

I thought Lamar second guy on right would of taken off in first grade.

Everyone thought that aye...

Never happened.
?

Who are they all.
I only recognise the FOX.

In order,

Joel Edwards,
Josh Addo Carr,
Manaia Cherrington,
Ava Seumanufaagai,
Lamar Leovevave &
Watson Heleta.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]


What a throwback!

I thought Lamar second guy on right would of taken off in first grade.

Everyone thought that aye...

Never happened.
?

Who are they all.
I only recognise the FOX.

In order,

Joel Edwards,
Josh Addo Carr,
Manaia Cherrington,
Ava Seumanufaagai,
Lamar Leovevave &
Watson Heleta.

Some top notch players in that line up Demps lol

 

[crazycat]

Can we please talk definition of depth. IMO It gets tossed around too much on here. For me a club has ‘good depth’ where it can replace proven first graders with other first grade talent. e.g. Teddy goes down, Joey Manu goes to FB and Aubo steps into centre (pre retirement).

A. Not many of our players are consistent FGers
B. Most of our back up players are fringies at best.

Let’s keep it real.

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/33169/2022-depth-chart/29?_=1643579876258

I like your definition but I disagree.
Having proven first graders as "Depth" is a bad idea.
Because if they are proven first graders, they are on a high salary OR are taking unders for weird reasons.

We have 9ish million on a salary cap?
Many said we should hire Cotric who would be between 200k and 400k. 200k sure, but doubt that is happening. 400k is where the problems happen.

I forget if the minimum in the NRL now is 80k or 130k, but at a minimum you need 2.4m just to pay your entire team 80k.

You then have your halves pairing. In our case Brooks is on 900K (-80k above) and Hastings is on 500k (-80k above). 3.6M down already. Add our wingers who are Noffa (500k) and Ken M (450K) you get a total cap of 4.4m

Were half way through the cap, with bare minimum players and only 4 regular first graders.

Your example with Easts rocks. People like Gavin Cooper and Aubursson were great because they could add to the forward pack but fill in at center if needed.

400k on the sidelines is not good. Just like we had 700k Josh Reynolds and 600k Packer on the sidelines not good. Because if we give them 700k, it means were looking for 200k players in other positions.

400k is a proven first grader. Too expensive for depth. Means when someone is out too and our Junior laces up, they are on the bench and not blooded in first grade.

Cleary's Big 17 was a dumb idea. Not because it talked up the Big 17 but because Cleary signed a stack of Depth, not talent. We signed average, we got average or hopeless players.

An Average player will usually stay an average player. Sure Wayne Bennett can coach the best out of these, we cannot. A poor player though can at least play average and a great player raises the squad.

We need good players, players in the top 3 of their positions. I like Newcastle's attitude of hitting up high performing props. Tyson Frizzle will perform from good-fantastic, even on a good day he will outperform our average.

 

[the_third]

Can we please talk definition of depth. IMO It gets tossed around too much on here. For me a club has ‘good depth’ where it can replace proven first graders with other first grade talent. e.g. Teddy goes down, Joey Manu goes to FB and Aubo steps into centre (pre retirement).

A. Not many of our players are consistent FGers
B. Most of our back up players are fringies at best.

Let’s keep it real.

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/33169/2022-depth-chart/29?_=1643579876258

I like your definition but I disagree.
Having proven first graders as "Depth" is a bad idea.
Because if they are proven first graders, they are on a high salary OR are taking unders for weird reasons.

We have 9ish million on a salary cap?
Many said we should hire Cotric who would be between 200k and 400k. 200k sure, but doubt that is happening. 400k is where the problems happen.

I forget if the minimum in the NRL now is 80k or 130k, but at a minimum you need 2.4m just to pay your entire team 80k.

You then have your halves pairing. In our case Brooks is on 900K (-80k above) and Hastings is on 500k (-80k above). 3.6M down already. Add our wingers who are Noffa (500k) and Ken M (450K) you get a total cap of 4.4m

Were half way through the cap, with bare minimum players and only 4 regular first graders.

Your example with Easts rocks. People like Gavin Cooper and Aubursson were great because they could add to the forward pack but fill in at center if needed.

400k on the sidelines is not good. Just like we had 700k Josh Reynolds and 600k Packer on the sidelines not good. Because if we give them 700k, it means were looking for 200k players in other positions.

400k is a proven first grader. Too expensive for depth. Means when someone is out too and our Junior laces up, they are on the bench and not blooded in first grade.

Cleary's Big 17 was a dumb idea. Not because it talked up the Big 17 but because Cleary signed a stack of Depth, not talent. We signed average, we got average or hopeless players.

An Average player will usually stay an average player. Sure Wayne Bennett can coach the best out of these, we cannot. A poor player though can at least play average and a great player raises the squad.

We need good players, players in the top 3 of their positions. I like Newcastle's attitude of hitting up high performing props. Tyson Frizzle will perform from good-fantastic, even on a good day he will outperform our average.

great post

 

[tig_prmz]

Yeh the word depth is a little confusing. Roosters replace their 8/10 players with 4/10 and they're considered to have bad depth. We replace our 4/10 players with 3/10 and considered to have good depth.

Players with 100+ games are given top dollar for a reason. They continually punch out above average performances.

 

[tony soprano]


What a throwback!

I thought Lamar second guy on right would of taken off in first grade.

Everyone thought that aye...

Never happened.
?

Who are they all.
I only recognise the FOX.

In order,

Joel Edwards,
Josh Addo Carr,
Manaia Cherrington,
Ava Seumanufaagai,
Lamar Leovevave &
Watson Heleta.

Bad recruitment apart from JAC

 

[Tiger5150]

Can we please talk definition of depth. IMO It gets tossed around too much on here. For me a club has ‘good depth’ where it can replace proven first graders with other first grade talent. e.g. Teddy goes down, Joey Manu goes to FB and Aubo steps into centre (pre retirement).

A. Not many of our players are consistent FGers
B. Most of our back up players are fringies at best.

Let’s keep it real.

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/33169/2022-depth-chart/29?_=1643579876258

I like your definition but I disagree.
Having proven first graders as "Depth" is a bad idea.
Because if they are proven first graders, they are on a high salary OR are taking unders for weird reasons.

We have 9ish million on a salary cap?
Many said we should hire Cotric who would be between 200k and 400k. 200k sure, but doubt that is happening. 400k is where the problems happen.

I forget if the minimum in the NRL now is 80k or 130k, but at a minimum you need 2.4m just to pay your entire team 80k.

You then have your halves pairing. In our case Brooks is on 900K (-80k above) and Hastings is on 500k (-80k above). 3.6M down already. Add our wingers who are Noffa (500k) and Ken M (450K) you get a total cap of 4.4m

Were half way through the cap, with bare minimum players and only 4 regular first graders.

Your example with Easts rocks. People like Gavin Cooper and Aubursson were great because they could add to the forward pack but fill in at center if needed.

400k on the sidelines is not good. Just like we had 700k Josh Reynolds and 600k Packer on the sidelines not good. Because if we give them 700k, it means were looking for 200k players in other positions.

400k is a proven first grader. Too expensive for depth. Means when someone is out too and our Junior laces up, they are on the bench and not blooded in first grade.

Cleary's Big 17 was a dumb idea. Not because it talked up the Big 17 but because Cleary signed a stack of Depth, not talent. We signed average, we got average or hopeless players.

An Average player will usually stay an average player. Sure Wayne Bennett can coach the best out of these, we cannot. A poor player though can at least play average and a great player raises the squad.

We need good players, players in the top 3 of their positions. I like Newcastle's attitude of hitting up high performing props. Tyson Frizzle will perform from good-fantastic, even on a good day he will outperform our average.

Good assessment, but I think this season could be a slight anomoly. With COVID raging in an unrestricted environment, it is possible that a club with a broader range of depths (lots of 5 or 4/10) could benefit over a club that is top heavy with stars ( lots of 8's and 2's).

 

[barnsta]

Stefano resigned!!!!!

 

[TieDye]

Stefano resigned!!!!!

Sauce.

 

[Demps]

Stefano resigned!!!!!

Sauce.

They sent an email out.
Club official.
? ?

 

[Geo]

Stefano resigned!!!!!

You sure..

 

[Tiger5150]

Stefano resigned!!!!!

Sauce.

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2022/01/31/wests-tigers-re-sign-stefano-utoikamanu/

 

[Geo]

Oh re-signed .. the - makes all the difference

 

[tony soprano]

Anyone got the Maguire DT article?

 

[Demps]

Oh re-signed .. the - makes all the difference

Re-signed.. and LOVES the club.

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2022/01/31/utoikamanu-i-love-this-club/

 

[KingRobbie]

Anyone got the Maguire DT article?

**THE DAILY TELEGRAPH**
NRL 2022 coaching clipboard: Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire
James Phelps
January 31, 2022 - 4:00PM

One of the most under-pressure coaches in the NRL, Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire tackles the big questions ahead of the 2022 campaign.

**You have made some significant additions to your squad this year. Which recruit has impressed you the most?**

Jackson Hastings, Tyronne Peachy and Oliver Gildart are the more notable players we have recruited. They have all come in and added to the group with their experience and also their personalities. They have brought a fresh energy to the club and that is certainly a positive. The bonds between the new players and the existing players have really grown over the pre-season.

**Where will Jackson Hastings fit in? Is he competing for a halves spot or will he be used as a lock/utility?**

We have had Jackson working with the halves. In the spine we have Jackson, Luke Brooks, Tyrone Peachey and Jock Madden working hard with Dane (Laurie) so he can get a good understanding of playing with them all. We also have Jake Liddle and Jake Simpkin in and around No.9. Jackson can cover a lot of positions but he has spent a lot of time in the halves.

**How is Adam Doueihi going with his injury? When can we expect him back?**

We are looking at about round 10. We need to be smart and not bring him back too early. But he is looking good at the moment and is ahead of schedule.

**Tyrone Peachy is another player that can cover a number of positions. Can you tell us a little about what you are expecting from him this year?**

I have been really impressed with Peach. He gets in and works really hard on both his game and his connections with his teammates. I think he is going to give us a real point of difference. Whether we use him at lock or five-eighth, he is quite versatile and that versatility will give us a real point of difference. He has really jumped in and been a good voice around the organisation with his experience. He is also very motivated to do well with the players which has been really pleasing.

**You have also brought over an Englishman in Oliver Gildart. What challenges will he face in his transition into becoming an NRL player?**

Ollie is very skilful. He is also very fast. Adapting to the speed of the game may be his biggest challenge. It will just take a little bit of time for him to get an understanding of how the NRL is played. The big difference is adjusting to the speed of the game week in and week out. He has played the game at the highest level and has a wealth of experience, so I am expecting him to adjust well. He is also a great personality to have around the place. I am looking forward to seeing him develop and evolve. He has already built up some great combinations with others in the group.

**Are you happy with the squad you have assembled?**

Over the last two years we have been developing our squad with good young talent coming through. A lot of those young guys are now experienced first-graders because of the amount of games they have played over the last couple of years. Players like Shaun Blore, Daine Laurie, Stefano, Tom Mikaele and Jake Simpkin, they have all learned how to play week in and week out at the top level. We are starting to build a lot of games played together and that is a big evolution. And to bring in some older guys like Peach and Jacko to work alongside the senior guys, we have a nice balance.

**What has Tim Sheens’ role at the club been?**

Having a relationship with Tim prior to him coming to the club, whether it was coaching against him or being coached by him, has been a big advantage. He has done a lot in the background. He is building on the structures and pathways in and around the club. He is also great just to chat with. I am able to talk both about players and footy with him and I really appreciate having his knowledge to call on. We are both focused on making sure our club is a success in the long term.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Good to hear. Now were Cooking with gas.

 

[tiger05premier]

Anyone got the Maguire DT article?

It's in the Madge thread