Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[cktiger]

just a number hasting plays first receiver like yeoh
two running five eights in Brooks and Burton woukd work

I know it’s just a number but Hastings is only playing first receiver because Brooks can’t do it effectively. If we had Burton we don’t need two running five eighths and we are not wasting a lock spot on somebody who has to babysit someone else’s position.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I know it’s just a number but Hastings is only playing first receiver because Brooks can’t do it effectively. If we had Burton we don’t need two running five eighths and we are not wasting a lock spot on somebody who has to babysit someone else’s position.

Hastings was signed as a 13 so see what happens Sheens wants that ball playing lock regardless of whether Brooks plays 7 or not don't think that changes

 

[balmain boy]

I honestly expected and hoped Seyfarth would kick on but it doesn’t look likely at all.
I was hoping to see a Nathan Brown in him, initially looked ok but that’s where it stopped.

Really? They've always been polar opposites to me. Brown was an extremely aggressive player with poor fitness and we let him go because he could only play short stints and was always getting penalised, suspended etc.
Seyfarth is an extremely timid player with decent fitness and a great attitude. Isn't aggressive or powerful enough to have an impact but trains really hard but just gets dominated when he runs the ball up

 

[Odessa]

Hastings was signed as a 13 so see what happens Sheens wants that ball playing lock regardless of whether Brooks plays 7 or not don't think that changes

Sheenius has changed the was rugby league was played a few times I think he wants to do it again more attacking options more pressure on the opposing team's breaking them down get them tired pulling the defensive line apart why not play with 3 halfs in attack Hastings plays halfback and have two 5/8s each sticking to one side of the field API is so smart and some quick runs from dummy will help make more room

 

[balmain boy]

Personally i think his price is over inflated. Played in a great Panthers team at centre, did okay at the dogs last year. 2023 he needs to lead the dogs to finals, no excuses. I think 800k is a fair price

But if we want to sign him we need to offer 200k+ more than anyone else. It's that simple.
We need to offer Burton 1 million and Moses 1.2 both on 4 year deals. If we're going to have a crack then have a real crack, not some fanciful 'if he wants to join us he'll accept our miserly offer's.

 

[tony soprano]

Personally i think his price is over inflated. Played in a great Panthers team at centre, did okay at the dogs last year. 2023 he needs to lead the dogs to finals, no excuses. I think 800k is a fair price

I wouldn't knock back a mill to stay at the dogs for less.

 

[watersider]

Burton has a massive boot but he's very inconsistent with it. At present he's a very good centre and an inconsistent 5/8. I personally wouldn't give him a million a year contract unless you're happy to pay that price for someone who might end up at centre. Not saying that's unreasonable as I don't know the contracts of top players, but at the moment there are many better halves than Burton.

 

[cochise]

rothfield has a personal agenda with sheens now no longer gets direct info from Sheens. His info now would be player manager driven

There was a definite change in the relationship about 2-3 months ago.

 

[Bucko73]

There was lots of commentary before he started that he had been purchased as a 13 (pretty sure it was Sheens who was commenting even while Madge was coach) so not sure he is justified in getting his nose out of joint. Was only played in the halves early in the season due to Douehi still being out injured.

Justified or not is not my point as to what I was alluding to is the fact that Jacko has always wore the 7 or 6 guernsey the half position is what he's always known and owned ,being faced with and told there you have a different future role would not be easy to hear, and probably a natural and understandable reaction from most people in this regard was what I was referring to

 

[cochise]

The Mole seems to have the closest mail to Sheens.
I would take rothfield, Read and Hooper with a grain of salt with the tigers

The Mole was heavily involved in Tim Sheens signing with the club in 2003.

 

[sleeve]

Lets hope more will be revealed after 1 Nov. Im presuming there has been some recruiting going on, both here and in ESL, that will be announced leading to more horse trading with the 2023 season a prime topic of release trades and general 'whats in it for us' questions needing sorting.

I still trust Sheens at this stage and have no reason to doubt that as yet. He is working to a plan.

Hopefully the true, real clean out that has happened this year, means finally WT are serious about not just buying anyone left unsigned in the bargain basement but are really competing for players of value, in positions identified as needed. The Munster example was a positive sign.

Exactly- Heading in the right direction at last!

 

[diedpretty]

How are you killing them off?
They’d still be represented in the lower grades.

LOL. They already are in the lower grade.

 

[sleeve]

the info is probably from player managers to rothfield
Brooks - You will be getting a pay cut and playing 6, he probably has the Edgar's as he want smore cash
Douhie - You will be playing centre, he has the Edgar's as he wants to play 6
Hastings - You will be playing 13 he has the Edgar's as he wants to play 7

It may well be highly likely 2024 we do lose all 3

Unless Brooks kicks on with a faster spine, these 3 are expendable.

 

[cktiger]

LOL. They already are in the lower grade.

That’s what I said.

 

[diedpretty]

Putting the pro’s and con’s together of for and against in having a United brand I’ve concluded that our best option to assist with the one club model may actually be to separate the two clubs. That is at all levels below NRL.
Obviously everything is Wests Magpies / Wests Tigers funded but if I’m looking to be a development club and am encouraging growth in our ranks and inclusion in our regions I feel the best way to achieve this might actually be to have the Balmain Tigers rep from HM to KOE and likewise with the Western Suburbs Mapgies.
In this set up you create a community of kids that have grown together and are likely to continue to be able to play together for the one club.
The best ones would be recruited to future Wests Tigers contracts for a genuine pathway to first grade.
Train and trial players would be signed to each of the KOE teams which would feature kids promoted from each of the Flegg Sides and supplemented by depth signings from other clubs regions that contracted to the top 30 of the first grade side.
I look at the HM undefeated team of this season and I think, how can I achieve an environment where I can ensure the majority of those boys will become WTs players. And of those that don’t quite get there, how can I keep an interest for them to want to continue trying to play rugby league for their region and encourage another group of young kids to band together and be the next undefeated or championship HMs or SG side? Ensure that they have that pathways in place to flow on up to Flegg and eventually NRL.

That is what was in place until Balmain went belly up. No way will WA fund another team in KOE Cup. They already fund Balmain juniors.

 

[sleeve]

If we get a young 9 coming through, don't be surprised if Apisi ends up playing half. He would be far superior to Hastings ,AD, and Brooks.

 

[WT2K]

Can't believe the Dogs are a 1000-1 already of winning the premiership ....we are 350-1 ...insane odds

The Bulldogs are furiously denying any suggestions that the retirement of club legend Josh Jackson was done to ease salary cap pressure.

It’s an interesting one because their general manager of football Phil Gould has to shed players at Belmore even with Jackson’s $650,000 contract coming out of the salary cap.

The likes of Luke Thompson, Corey Allan and Kyle Flanagan are in the firing line.

The Bulldogs have added Billy Kikau (Panthers), Reed Mahoney (Eels), Ryan Sutton (Raiders), Andrew Davey (Sea Eagles), Hayze Perham and Franklin Pele (Cronulla) and Jacob Preston (Roosters).

They cannot have more than 30 players registered.

This is a situation the NRL will no doubt be monitoring. It’s a little bit murky because not even CEO Aaron Warburton or chairman John Khoury know exactly where their cap sits. They leave it all to Gus.

The Bulldogs are saying Jackson made the decision to retire and insist he wasn’t pushed. That after 11 seasons and 241 games his body could not cope with another 12 months of body contact.

It’s a huge call on his behalf to give up a wage of $650,000. It also gets tricky because Canterbury wants to give Jackson a job. He has a degree in exercise science.

Rival clubs are watching this one closely.

We’ve seen it happen before where clubs have encouraged players to retire to ease pressure on the salary cap and then employ them elsewhere in the business.

Clubs need the NRL’s permission to do so. (Slothy)

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

The Bulldogs are furiously denying any suggestions that the retirement of club legend Josh Jackson was done to ease salary cap pressure.

It’s an interesting one because their general manager of football Phil Gould has to shed players at Belmore even with Jackson’s $650,000 contract coming out of the salary cap.

The likes of Luke Thompson, Corey Allan and Kyle Flanagan are in the firing line.

The Bulldogs have added Billy Kikau (Panthers), Reed Mahoney (Eels), Ryan Sutton (Raiders), Andrew Davey (Sea Eagles), Hayze Perham and Franklin Pele (Cronulla) and Jacob Preston (Roosters).

They cannot have more than 30 players registered.

This is a situation the NRL will no doubt be monitoring. It’s a little bit murky because not even CEO Aaron Warburton or chairman John Khoury know exactly where their cap sits. They leave it all to Gus.

The Bulldogs are saying Jackson made the decision to retire and insist he wasn’t pushed. That after 11 seasons and 241 games his body could not cope with another 12 months of body contact.

It’s a huge call on his behalf to give up a wage of $650,000. It also gets tricky because Canterbury wants to give Jackson a job. He has a degree in exercise science.

Rival clubs are watching this one closely.

We’ve seen it happen before where clubs have encouraged players to retire to ease pressure on the salary cap and then employ them elsewhere in the business.

Clubs need the NRL’s permission to do so. (Slothy)

interesting point with that article is that rothfield can't stand Gus so has a huge axe to grind.
Does seem suspect though especially if he returns into a role at the club

 

[Newtown]

TIGER TANTRUMS OVER SHEENS COMMENTS

Tim Sheens is putting noses out of joint at the Wests Tigers among the playing group.

His very public recent comments around recruitment – first Cameron Munster and now Mitchell Moses – being offered multimillion-dollar deals is hardly encouraging for current halves Luke Brooks, Adam Doueihi and Jackson Hastings.

All three are off contract at the end of next year and can talk to rival clubs from next week.

Sheens has made no attempt to extend their contracts. (Slothy)

This is big trial year for these three players.

 

[Telltails]

The Bulldogs are furiously denying any suggestions that the retirement of club legend Josh Jackson was done to ease salary cap pressure.

It’s an interesting one because their general manager of football Phil Gould has to shed players at Belmore even with Jackson’s $650,000 contract coming out of the salary cap.

The likes of Luke Thompson, Corey Allan and Kyle Flanagan are in the firing line.

The Bulldogs have added Billy Kikau (Panthers), Reed Mahoney (Eels), Ryan Sutton (Raiders), Andrew Davey (Sea Eagles), Hayze Perham and Franklin Pele (Cronulla) and Jacob Preston (Roosters).

They cannot have more than 30 players registered.

This is a situation the NRL will no doubt be monitoring. It’s a little bit murky because not even CEO Aaron Warburton or chairman John Khoury know exactly where their cap sits. They leave it all to Gus.

The Bulldogs are saying Jackson made the decision to retire and insist he wasn’t pushed. That after 11 seasons and 241 games his body could not cope with another 12 months of body contact.

It’s a huge call on his behalf to give up a wage of $650,000. It also gets tricky because Canterbury wants to give Jackson a job. He has a degree in exercise science.

Rival clubs are watching this one closely.

We’ve seen it happen before where clubs have encouraged players to retire to ease pressure on the salary cap and then employ them elsewhere in the business.

Clubs need the NRL’s permission to do so. (Slothy)

We will go down in history as the only club that couldn't get it right in relation to jobs for retired players. Josh Jackson is not going to give up 650k