If someone said the a pot boiled at 100 degrees I swear you would give the Fahrenheit number , as if somehow different .
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I like Adelaide Tiger so this isnt a dig at him when i say this. But he gave a random value with no explanation to how he got to that number. Granted he doesnt owe one, but it would be nice as a discussion point or to further understand his opionion.
I thought it seemed a little high. Not exorbitant but a little high.
So I provided my alternative with a very brief justification.
You are more than welcome to disagree. I would to like to know why but. I do at times enjoy arguing when I disagree on a topic. And it's not even to be an ass, it is typically so i simply can better understand others opinions.
But no I wouldn't argue about the boiling point of water. Or if I were to I wouldn't say Fahrenheit I'd ask what pressure the water is at because I'd like all the information.
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Some lame posts above.
Anyway, I’m hearing JWH and AFB coming in
Anyway, I’m hearing JWH and AFB coming in
Or if you are suggesting there is little difference between my figure and ATs that is fine. He can take it as a sign that I approximately agree with his number and no need to discuss further.
I was watching Nofa. Look he is getting slower ofcourse and no longer has his speed or step.
But his defense has improved as well as his positioning. Tupou was our weakest link in the backline this season, but hey it's his first season.
Melbourne did Nofa good.
All the talk is about Olam & Blore
but thanks for confirming it Ain’t Happening.
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This train and trial is another lurk in the system to be abused
The Sea Eagles have also provided an NRLlifeline to former NSW Bluesrepresentative Nathan Brown. The forward has been gifted a train-and-trial contract along with former Wests Tigersplayer Austin Dias, among others.
The Sea Eagles have also provided an NRLlifeline to former NSW Bluesrepresentative Nathan Brown. The forward has been gifted a train-and-trial contract along with former Wests Tigersplayer Austin Dias, among others.
How so? Train and trials are at a fixed value.
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No offense meant, no offense taken. My logic was similar, he's an average NRL winger who can cover fullback (which i think he can do quite well with a bit more experience). It would be perfect if he signed for 250k, but that's half what he got last year and I feel that if we offered him that he'd be within his rights to look around and I think someone would pay around that mark. But agree these are all arbitrary numbers and we are always oblivious to the true 'value' of a contract once all endorsements and bonuses are said and done.
Yea, ah. We did not sign Staines for 250k.
Seriously Staines would call up Ivan Cleary and go back to Penrith on Minimum contract.
Not saying I rate Staines, I am saying that I am fairly sure Staines could find a 400k contract on the market.
We have a good backline problem for Benji. The only spot that is sorted is Bula:
Staines
Tupou
Nofo
Naden
Toa
Plus we may be signing Olam. We have already signed Reilly and Feledy so its pretty crowded.
Other then Olam, none of the players above can really play second row and cover center from the Bench. Also you look at them and realise how inexperienced the entire backline is.
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As if Staines would be on 300 or anything below. Some of you are dreaming.
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Same manager.
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Have to be paid less than all of your Top 30 players.
I can easily see high paid halves knocking back 1-200k to stay at a strong club because they should be set for life at 800k a season.
i don't think there would be many minimum wage players lingering in reserve grade that would knock back an extra 100k and a first grade spot. Yet you are essentially saying you think Staines would do this? The lifestyle difference between 150 and 250k is notable.
Where do you think he is getting 400k? That would put him in the top 10 winger salaries (as of 2022 according to the herald).
Agree with all this. And whilst I think 250k is where other clubs get interested, I don't see any other clubs where he is likely a best 13 player. So I think our offer would need to be bettered rather than matched for him to seriously consider going elsewhere. Only other serious threats if they were to match imo would be Dragons and Raiders who might both sell on potential to earn the fullback position.
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My questions are; help me KR.
1. Are there limits to how many players can be on T/T?
2. How long do T/T last? All year or to the next year? When someone's NRL top 30 contract expires?
3. Can you have, (theoretically) most of your KOE on T/T contracts? Waiting for a top 30 spot to eventuate?
4. Can you pay way overs $$$$ on a T/T to keep them interested?
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He’s done 2 ACL’s? They’re 9-12 months rehab at least. Do the math
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Lame? Let’s see you play NRL. You wouldn’t last two seconds or run it straight at him pls. Your attempt is what would be lame 🤣
Edit thanks to Snidest (thanks mate).
1. No
2. Some players get preseason contracts looking to earn a development or nrl contract. Others get season long contracts. They can be upgraded at any time.
3. It appears so, but why would you?
4. $1200/week plus $3000 match payment if they make first grade. Cannot (in accordance to the salary cap) pay more.
There was a telegraph article about it somewhat recently someone might be able to find and share (google something like train and trial payment). Behind a pay wall and I'm not subscribed so can't help sorry.
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Every NRL club’s train and trial players heading in to the 2024 pre-season
These are the players who will slog it out for $1200 per week chasing their NRL dream on train-and-trial deals as clubs look to unearth the next Jahream Bula who was in their shoes this time last year before going on to become one of the game’s brightest young stars.
Some will last just weeks, others the whole NRL season.
Nathan Brown played in a grand final in 2022, but now he joins Manly on a cut-price deal as he looks to keep his career going.
Parramatta coach Brad Arthur’s son Matt gets a taste of first grade. So too does Jed Stuart, the son of Ricky Stuart in Canberra.
Ethan Quai-Ward made a high profile mid-season switch to the Bulldogs and scored a try on debut. Just months later he is back at Brisbane on a training deal.
SCROLL DOWN TO SEE EVERY CLUB’S FULL TRAIN AND TRIAL LIST
Brown is the most experienced of the players as he fronted up with his new club on Friday after a short-stint with the Roosters. The former NSW Origin player is expected to be given a top 30 deal but the Sea Eagles need to create some space in their roster before they do so.
Manly coach Anthony Seibold said getting the 30-year-old was an easy decision.
“I was really keen to give him an opportunity,” Seibold said.
Train and Trial: How it works
Train and trial players earn $1200 per week.They will pocket $3000 per first grade game they play, however they’re ineligible to be picked until round 11 — unless they win NRL approval.
There is no cap on the amount of train and trial contracts clubs give. Some are just weeks long, others months and some a full season.
“He has played over 150 games, Origin and a grand final. He brings a lot of experience. What it does for us, is it provides more competition for spots and more depth in the middle forwards. We are looking as soon as we can to upgrade him from train and trial to a full-time contract. This is a good opportunity for him.”
Brown is not the only player with NRL experience looking to resurrect their career. Ex-Tiger Austin Dias gets another pre-season with Manly, Trai Fuller gets a crack at the Dolphins once again while Declan Casey, who played six games at the Bulldogs, has an opportunity at the Tigers.
South Sydney have given Englishman Aiden Doolan a chance despite not playing Super League at Warrington. Doolan, a hooker, came to the club on the recommendation of former Super League veteran Tyrone McCarthy who now heads the club’s pathways. Doolan will play NSW Cup and potentially Jersey Flegg next year.
“He looks great,” said South Sydney coach Jason Demetriou.
“He has been one of the fittest already. He has only been in the country for two weeks but has handled it really well. We want to get him into the system. We have Damien Cook and Peter Mamouzelos in our top 30 but we wanted to strengthen our depth in that position. He could potentially come into the top 30 next year.
“Brock Gray is another (train and trialist). He has come back in great shape and he was one of the form front-rowers in the NSW Cup. I’m looking forward to watching him development.”
Other key contracts include:
– Tom Rodwell (son of former NSW centre Brett) and Sam Healey (son of Cronulla legend Mitch) given a chance at the Sharks.
– The Eels‘ top 30 is set so they’re using it as an opportunity to blood youngsters including Arthur (hooker), Dan Keir (backrow), Api Twidle (outside back), Richard Penisini (centre), Josh Lynn (half) and Arthur Miller-Stephens (outside back). Miller-Stephens made his NRL debut on the wing in 2023 while Penisini’s brother Will is entrenched in the top grade.
– Jensen Taumoepeau played 14 NSW Cup games for Newtown before his Sharks contract expired. Now at the Cowboys on a train-and-trial deal.
– South Sydney’s relationship with the Townsville Blackhawks has four players taking part in pre-season.
– The Storm are already tapping into their relationship with North Sydney by giving Bears players Jake Toby, Jesse Marschke and Regan Hughes a crack. Ex-Dragon lower grader Treigh Stewart is also in Melbourne.
– The Roosters are awaiting NRL approval before handing veteran Michael Jennings a training deal.
The players do not need to go too far to look for inspiration. Bula was on the same contract as them last season before going on to ink a multi-million dollar contract extension on his way to claiming the Tigers player of the year award.
Bula was not alone. The likes of Luke Sommerton, Dean Matterson, Junior Pauga, Josh Reynolds, Khaled Rajab, Ryan and Toby Couchman, Tristan Sailor and Ali Leiataua all played NRL after having training contracts.
New Wests Tigers coach Benji Marshall said played down any talk of second-year syndrome for Bula.
“It is a myth,” Marshall said. “If you are good enough you get through it and play. What happens sometimes is kids feel the pressure of the second year to be as good as they were last year or better.
“That is my job – to take that pressure away and make them feel like they were better.”
NRL 2024 TRAIN AND TRIAL LIST
SHARKSJack Gibbons (backrower), Tom Rodwell (outside back), Jordan Swann (centre/backrower), Riley Pollard (halfback), Sam Healey (hooker)
COWBOYS
Hiale Roycroft (prop), Josh Smith (centre), Sean Mullany (hooker), Rayden Burns (fullback), Rashaun Denny (centre), Ewan Moore (second row), Kyle Schneider (hooker), Jensen Taumoepeau (centre), John Radel (prop).
DRAGONS
Hayden Buchanan (centre/backrow), Loko Pasifiki Tonga (prop) ,Lyhkan King-Togia (half), Jett Liu (prop), Kade Reed (halfback), Finau Latu (backrow) Nick Tsougranis (backrow), Jacob Webster (prop)
MANLY
Zane Dunford (prop), Austin Dias (prop), Jacob Sykes (prop), Cameron Brown (outside back), Clayton Faulalo (outside back), Nathan Brown (prop)
EELS
Dan Keir (backrow), Api Twidle (outside back), Matt Arthur (hooker), Richard Penisini (centre), Josh Lynn (half), Arthur Miller-Stephens (outside back)
PANTHERS
Daeon Amituanai (winger), Trent Toelau (half), Billy Scott (hooker)
WARRIORS
Sio Kali (outside back), Setu Tu (outside back)
ROOSTERS
Ethan King (outside back), Corey Ross (backrow), Salesi Foketi (backrow), Tayson Fakaosi (prop), Phoenix Steinwede (backrow), Alan Holten (hooker), Hugo Savala (half), Michael Jennings (centre) TBC
KNIGHTS
Jaxon Rahme (backrow), Malachi Smith (hooker), Jayden Harris (outside back), Liam Sutton (half), Jye Linnane (half), Elijah Salesa Leaumoana (backrow), Jermaine McEwen (backrow), Jeremy Trappett (outside back), Laitia Moceidreke (outside back), Clay Webb (backrow), Kyle
McCarthy (outside back)
RABBITOHS
Terell Kalo Kalo (fullback), Brock Gray (backrow), Adam Christensen (backrow), Emmanuel DiBartolo (half), Nazareth Taua (prop), Aiden Doolan (hooker). Townsville Blackhawks affiliate: Richard Holani (prop), Cade Maloney (backrow), Harry Quinlan (outside back), Nichoals Halailo (backrow)
BRONCOS
Ethan Quai-Ward (centre), Matt Milson (fullback)
RAIDERS
Jed Stuart (second row) ,Prinston Esera (outside back), Mitchell Spencer (five-eighth), Shaun Packer (hooker)
DOLPHINS
Trai Fuller (fullback), Brenton Baira (fullback), Lewis Symonds (second row), Tevita Naufahu (utility back), Elija Rasmussen (prop), Jordan Lipp (centre), Jerome Burns (five-eighth)
TIGERS
Declan Casey, (second row) Luke Laulilii (back), Navren Willett (centre), Cayne Nicholas (hooker).
TITANS
Vaka Sikahele (hooker) Kaleb Ngamanu (outside back) Joseph Shannon (forward) Sam Stephenson (outside back)
STORM
Jake Toby (fullback), Jesse Marshke (halfback), Regan Hughes (lock) ,Tom Rafter (second row) ,Tristan Hope (hooker), Treigh Stewart (fullback), Caius Faatili (prop)
BULLDOGS
Harry Hayes (centre), Eli Clarke (centre), Jack Todd (prop), Lipoi Hopoi (backrow)
