Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Wiz]

I think Latu will end up the better player.

Two things concern me with Galvin:

1. His height means his (limited) weight is spread out leading to low power.

2. He has below average acceleration and speed.

Both of the above combine to make him not a powerful runner and therefore not a dangerous runner. He may end up a one trick pony (organiser/passer).

The fact that he is so fit but with poor speed/acceleration leads me to believe he has a lot of “slow twitch” muscle fibres which makes it hard to put on weight.

Nice for us to have options.

 

[jrtiger]

100% … I don’t get it

The media was saying we let him go and we would be negotiating with galvin in the new year in good faith.

And now it looks like he’ll play out the season.

Why would we give onitoni up - seems very strange

the second you bend to ridiculous clauses for a schoolkid is the second you lose any leverage with any other player or manager. the club did the right thing. we can’t continue to pander to player managers.

 

[gregjm87]

Agree. It’s an attitude much more so than x’s and o’s.

Could not disagree more. It is all Xs and Os and clubs defend differently. Some hold their line and defend their inside shoulder. Some compress their line and challenge teams to go around them. Some just work with intense line speed and fill in the gaps. Some up and slide others shoot in and shut down.
Within the defensive line players have different roles e.g for middles set the line speed or be second/third in and wrestle. For backrowers some are organisers on the edge some are body guards for their half, some it is to harass the opposition half. You need to know your role and those around you. E.g. If you are a middle or half who knows the backrowers job is to harass the opposition half, you need to collapse behind him to protect the gap he creates by shooting out of the line.
Not only do you need to know what these roles are you need to know when to perform them.
Furthermore defensive game plans may be different within one team (typically for the backs) based on the skills of the players on each side and change based on the opposition they are playing.
If you are coaching get off your line and work hard for the bloke next to you, you are not coaching.

 

[Wildcat777]

Exa

It’s always going to work when you have the cattle. When you don’t…Not so much

Exactly!!! Hence the wooden spoons. But no more!

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

It’s more than just winning. It’s culture, lifestyle etc.

Next you are going to say 9 out of every10 are beautiful women well you would hit below the belt.

 

[batboy]

Could not disagree more. It is all Xs and Os and clubs defend differently. Some hold their line and defend their inside shoulder. Some compress their line and challenge teams to go around them. Some just work with intense line speed and fill in the gaps. Some up and slide others shoot in and shut down.
Within the defensive line players have different roles e.g for middles set the line speed or be second/third in and wrestle. For backrowers some are organisers on the edge some are body guards for their half, some it is to harass the opposition half. You need to know your role and those around you. E.g. If you are a middle or half who knows the backrowers job is to harass the opposition half, you need to collapse behind him to protect the gap he creates by shooting out of the line.
Not only do you need to know what these roles are you need to know when to perform them.
Furthermore defensive game plans may be different within one team (typically for the backs) based on the skills of the players on each side and change based on the opposition they are playing.
If you are coaching get off your line and work hard for the bloke next to you, you are not coaching.

Bro - we’ve got blokes who’d rather pick up a mouth guard than make a tackle!!
It’s attitude!!
Have seen our young blokes trot along side the opposition most of the way down feild and not get a finger on them!!

We don’t like the dirty stuff - never have!!

 

[TigerTigerTigerTiger]

I think Latu will end up the better player.

Two things concern me with Galvin:

1. His height means his (limited) weight is spread out leading to low power.

2. He has below average acceleration and speed.

Both of the above combine to make him not a powerful runner and therefore not a dangerous runner. He may end up a one trick pony (organiser/passer).

The fact that he is so fit but with poor speed/acceleration leads me to believe he has a lot of “slow twitch” muscle fibres which makes it hard to put on weight.

Nice for us to have options.

Gee Wiz, who cares about muscle fibres. The Kids a good Footballer, if he's a good "(organiser/passer)" then that makes for a good 5/8.

 

[TurnStyle]

Wests Tigers will finish above the Roosters in 2025, don’t worry about that.
People have short memories of how the Roosters are just as capable of going into a downward spiral as any other club.
Ask Kyle Flanagan how he was treated by them, nearly ruined his career.

Let's be honest - Roosters and Tigers are two very different clubs on recent history.

Roosters will have one season at the bottom, make mass changes and the next they are back to the status quo of being perennial finalists, if not contenders.

There's no sugar coating it: three consecutive spoons is an abysmal record no matter how you slice it.

It means every season we Tigers supporters are hopeful the team finishes somewhere near the 8; with the hope then of progressive 3 rung climbs to the top over the next few seasons.

Roosters fans hope to win the lot every year.

Sucks 😦

 

[BAGNF05]

Could not disagree more. It is all Xs and Os and clubs defend differently. Some hold their line and defend their inside shoulder. Some compress their line and challenge teams to go around them. Some just work with intense line speed and fill in the gaps. Some up and slide others shoot in and shut down.
Within the defensive line players have different roles e.g for middles set the line speed or be second/third in and wrestle. For backrowers some are organisers on the edge some are body guards for their half, some it is to harass the opposition half. You need to know your role and those around you. E.g. If you are a middle or half who knows the backrowers job is to harass the opposition half, you need to collapse behind him to protect the gap he creates by shooting out of the line.
Not only do you need to know what these roles are you need to know when to perform them.
Furthermore defensive game plans may be different within one team (typically for the backs) based on the skills of the players on each side and change based on the opposition they are playing.
If you are coaching get off your line and work hard for the bloke next to you, you are not coaching.

I like your reply better than the other guys slide versus up and in. 16 teams and he came up with two different structures.

How you defend is dictated by the shape a team throws at you and whether they have generated a numerical advantage through momentum. If your short, you don’t rush the passer unless it’s a lost cause.

Players need to know how to adapt on the fly and in real time. These skills should be learned well before players arrive in the NRL and then cohesion should improve as tendencies and combinations form.

It’s the coaches role to understand their individual players skills and point out areas where they can improve, no disputing that.

But ultimately the team who has the most desire to win in rugby league, generally does, because it’s 90% between the ears.

 

[Merlot]

This isn’t mail or anything - but I find it highly highly unlikely that Galvin re-signs with us.

The way he has acted throughout the last 12 months screams someone waiting for his contract to end so he can go elsewhere.

any mail on anything ,or is Richo just taking a leak when he wants to

 

[BAGNF05]

This isn’t mail or anything - but I find it highly highly unlikely that Galvin re-signs with us.

The way he has acted throughout the last 12 months screams someone waiting for his contract to end so he can go elsewhere.

It does feel that way. But he’s not kept it secret that he hates losing. Winning is the only way we change his mind I would imagine.

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

Let's be honest - Roosters and Tigers are two very different clubs on recent history.

Roosters will have one season at the bottom, make mass changes and the next they are back to the status quo of being perennial finalists, if not contenders.

There's no sugar coating it: three consecutive spoons is an abysmal record no matter how you slice it.

It means every season we Tigers supporters are hopeful the team finishes somewhere near the 8; with the hope then of progressive 3 rung climbs to the top over the next few seasons.

Roosters fans hope to win the lot every year.

Sucks 😦

Sickening isn't it

 

[Lestronge]

Let's be honest - Roosters and Tigers are two very different clubs on recent history.

Roosters will have one season at the bottom, make mass changes and the next they are back to the status quo of being perennial finalists, if not contenders.

There's no sugar coating it: three consecutive spoons is an abysmal record no matter how you slice it.

It means every season we Tigers supporters are hopeful the team finishes somewhere near the 8; with the hope then of progressive 3 rung climbs to the top over the next few seasons.

Roosters fans hope to win the lot every year.

Sucks 😦

Maybe . All it takes is a bit of nrl group think , and they stop being everyone’s first choice .
Happened with Man U , Chelsea , PSG were big for a moment now they’re back to being meh , it’s starting to happen with Man City .
American sports are hugely cyclical and dependent on the draft . Some clubs can do a Melbourne storm. , like the Baltimore ravens , yet they don’t win the superbowl very often , despite being there or there abouts always .
I think every club has a stint at the bottom not named Melbourne . Melbourne are unique because the nrl needed to get a foothold in Melbourne , so in my opinion , there’s been a fair bit of blind eyes turned away from them . The biggest and most egregious was when they brought in wrestling in 2006 and the nrl had a huge chance to squash it early , but actually changed the rules to suit it more .
My point is I actually think they’re a bit on the nose at the moment . They’ve had a fair chunk of rejections lately .

 

[Moh]

I love Galvin, really think he’s a special player.

But honestly, for once we’re in a position to be OK if he does leave. With Latu, and even Sullivan as backup if we wanted him to return… we will be alright.

Of course my preference is for him to stay, but it’s far from the end of the world.

 

[clontarfkid]

Yep, right after he signs some other clubs sacked drug user.

Roosters were inexplicable underachievers last year with best roster in NRL and maybe u can put two and two together from Politis comment...
Likely perp is on his way out..just Hope our bloke wasn't involved..his departure was mystifying tbh

 

[Tiger_Yoshi]

This isn’t mail or anything - but I find it highly highly unlikely that Galvin re-signs with us.

The way he has acted throughout the last 12 months screams someone waiting for his contract to end so he can go elsewhere.

Sure looks that way…..not once has he said or indicated he wants to be here long term…and we all know what comes out of his mouth is Issac Moses talking…

 

[Tiger_Yoshi]

I love Galvin, really think he’s a special player.

But honestly, for once we’re in a position to be OK if he does leave. With Latu, and even Sullivan as backup if we wanted him to return… we will be alright.

Of course my preference is for him to stay, but it’s far from the end of the world.

Spot on….

 

[gregjm87]

I like your reply better than the other guys slide versus up and in. 16 teams and he came up with two different structures.

How you defend is dictated by the shape a team throws at you and whether they have generated a numerical advantage through momentum. If your short, you don’t rush the passer unless it’s a lost cause.

Players need to know how to adapt on the fly and in real time. These skills should be learned well before players arrive in the NRL and then cohesion should improve as tendencies and combinations form.

It’s the coaches role to understand their individual players skills and point out areas where they can improve, no disputing that.

But ultimately the team who has the most desire to win in rugby league, generally does, because it’s 90% between the ears.

I don't really disagree with what you have written aside from adapting on the fly. Defenders should already know what shape opposition teams will be throwing at them well before they take the field and the plan to combat such shape well rehearsed (video session, blackboard, field session). Yes this can fall apart if the attack has sufficiently stripped you of numbers, but that is what attack is supposed to be doing.

Rushing the passer when short of numbers is often a rehearsed defensive option and part of a standard structure. It is often used by teams with quick centres and halves. Winger calls is and rushes the passer forcing a long pass to the attacking wing. The defensive centre and half are ready to turn and chase backing their speed to catch the attacking winger. Just one of many defensive strategies and not a strategy that should be used by every team

The problems come when one bloke takes it upon himself to adapt on the fly to shut down a play without his teammates knowing what he is doing.

The team with the most desire often wins. But not because it is 90% mental. The team with the most desire puts in the work on the training field and holds themselves accountable and learns from their mistakes.

 

[gregjm87]

Bro - we’ve got blokes who’d rather pick up a mouth guard than make a tackle!!
It’s attitude!!
Have seen our young blokes trot along side the opposition most of the way down feild and not get a finger on them!!

We don’t like the dirty stuff - never have!!

Yes attitude is the biggest problem with our side. It's not the only problem and there is more to defence.

 

[BAGNF05]

I don't really disagree with what you have written aside from adapting on the fly. Defenders should already know what shape opposition teams will be throwing at them well before they take the field and the plan to combat such shape well rehearsed (video session, blackboard, field session). Yes this can fall apart if the attack has sufficiently stripped you of numbers, but that is what attack is supposed to be doing.

Rushing the passer when short of numbers is often a rehearsed defensive option and part of a standard structure. It is often used by teams with quick centres and halves. Winger calls is and rushes the passer forcing a long pass to the attacking wing. The defensive centre and half are ready to turn and chase backing their speed to catch the attacking winger. Just one of many defensive strategies and not a strategy that should be used by every team

The problems come when one bloke takes it upon himself to adapt on the fly to shut down a play without his teammates knowing what he is doing.

The team with the most desire often wins. But not because it is 90% mental. The team with the most desire puts in the work on the training field and holds themselves accountable and learns from their mistakes.

I think we are both just talking about different scenarios in games.

I’ll add this. When your defensive line is set and you’re not under pressure defensively it’s more about the x’s and o’s. Structure, Preparation, video etc etc

When your knackered, maybe battling injury, and your arse is hanging out and the opposition has you stripped for numbers it’s about how much you want to make that extra 5% effort for your teammates. The mental side.

It’s a very unstructured game much of the time, particularly when you’re a young, ill-disciplined team like the 2024 WT.