Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[cqtiger]

So now the nrl have said the players will be fined $1500 each , yet the dogs fans can say and do what ever they like , and how f****** weak are the dogs management are for complaining, was it just a jesture for us flogging them , they really are becoming a rotten club

Pay the money. It was worth it!

 

[NT_Tiger]

So now the nrl have said the players will be fined $1500 each , yet the dogs fans can say and do what ever they like , and how f****** weak are the dogs management are for complaining, was it just a jesture for us flogging them , they really are becoming a rotten club

They've been a rotten club for a long time.

 

[coivtny]

So now the nrl have said the players will be fined $1500 each , yet the dogs fans can say and do what ever they like , and how f****** weak are the dogs management are for complaining, was it just a jesture for us flogging them , they really are becoming a rotten club

I can remember Canterbury fans from the old days i.e 60s and 70s. They were good people like fans of Wests, Balmain and Newtown at the same time. The demographic changes to that whole area out to Bankstown and beyond have led to the current situation where some of their fans behave atrociously. I have mates from the old days who only follow them on TV now because they feel uncomfortable at games.

 

[weststigerman]

They all say they want to turn the club around, which is only lip service if they are happy to be paid overs.

That goes for all of them right? Not just Doueihi?

 

[weststigers]

I can remember Canterbury fans from the old days i.e 60s and 70s. They were good people like fans of Wests, Balmain and Newtown at the same time. The demographic changes to that whole area out to Bankstown and beyond have led to the current situation where some of their fans behave atrociously. I have mates from the old days who only follow them on TV now because they feel uncomfortable at games.

60's and 70's was before my time, but it carried into the 80's and 90's where those areas were salt of the earth. Now...less so...and getting worse.

 

[weststigers]

So now the nrl have said the players will be fined $1500 each , yet the dogs fans can say and do what ever they like , and how f****** weak are the dogs management are for complaining, was it just a jesture for us flogging them , they really are becoming a rotten club

The players have a duty to not bring the game into disrepute.

The fans have no such contract.

Seems unfair, but you really want the NRL to start controlling what fans can and can't say and do at games?

 

[weststigers]

You are right, however the decision not to register him could have some legal repercussions, it's not like he killed the bloke. I would argue some of the shit players have done around DV, sexual assault etc... and been allowed to come back is as bad or worse than what this guy did.

Listen carefully...you've been down this road on a number of posts. What you're saying is not correct. Look into restraint of trade. There is no legal avenue to prosecute this if the NRL refuses to register his contract. Zero. None.

 

[innsaneink]

Tyrone May's suspension was due to questioning the integrity of the match officials during Hull KR's win over Salford Red Devils. He was initially shown a yellow card for dissent and later handed a Grade D charge, resulting in 12 penalty points on his personal total. With his points tally reaching 13, May received a two-match ban, which means he'll miss Hull KR's games against Wigan Warriors and Castleford.¹ ²Here's a breakdown of the incident:- Charge: Questioning the Integrity of a Match Official- Grade: D- Penalty Points: 12- Total Points: 13- Sanction: 2-match suspensionMay's suspension is a significant talking point, especially given his team's dominant 74-12 win over Salford, where the score line seemingly contradicts the reason for his suspension.

Won by 60 and still not happy.
Sounds like Naden

 

[Vicious]

If Manase is allowed to play NRL once released from jail then good, I’m sure we will give him an opportunity, we would be mad not to, but if he’s not allowed than there is nothing Wests Tigers can do about it.
We need 2-3 quality players in addition to re-signing Douehi and Taylan May ASAP, well before we need to worry about the Manase situation.
Talakai ticks a lot of boxes, he would be my choice to prioritise as our number 15 to cone on and make a positive impact, but also apply pressure for a starting position in the back row or centres.
We then should be making a choice of who we want out of Trey Mooney, Davvy Moale, Braden Hamlin-Uele and Jack Hetherington as our likely number 17.
The final recruit should be an outside back as potentially an upgrade on the constantly injured To’a.

 

[weststigers]

If Manase is allowed to play NRL once released from jail then good, I’m sure we will give him an opportunity, we would be mad not to, but if he’s not allowed than there is nothing Wests Tigers can do about it.
We need 2-3 quality players in addition to re-signing Douehi and Taylan May ASAP, well before we need tj worry about the Manase situation.
Talakai ticks a lot of boxes, he would be my choice to prioritise as our number 15 to cone on and make a positive impact, but also apply pressure tjo a starting position in the back row or centres.
We then should be making a choice of who we want out of Trey Mooney, Davvy Moale, Braden Hamlin-Uele and Jack Hetherington as our likely number 15.
The final recruit should be an outside back as potentially an upgrade on the constantly injured To’a.

He is 27 now. He could be released as early as 2026, but then there is the parole period. He might be 30.

If he ever signs, he will be at the very backend of his career...people mentioning a possible 2026 return are dreaming.

 

[Tiger Stripes]

It's pretty hard to say at this stage that the team hasn't improved. Obviously the cattle is better but I think an honest assessment of the squad's quality at the start of the season would have pegged us round about where we are now: clear of spoon danger but just as far from finals. FWIW I have it on decent authority that the powers that be within the club weren't expecting finals this year - it was always down as a progress season and there will be more expectation next year.

What I keep coming across at the moment is the idea that NRL is not a game about your star players but about the mid-to-bottom level of the roster. The 17th best player on your roster is going to play even when everyone is fit and with injuries you're going to need to rely on players 20-30, a lot. As we've seen, when we can put close to our best 17 on the park we're pretty competitive. We fall in a heap when we need to use the bottom end of the roster - and we haven't even been particularly unlucky with injuries this year.

That's why I think a big focus of Richardson's was getting rid of the dead wood, and why I think we'll focus in this off-season on turning over more of the bottom 10-15 players. With KPP, Taylan May and Makasini, and - hopefully - a better year out of Pole there shouldn't be an obvious weakness in the first choice side. But we need proper, first-grade standard depth: better options to come in than Staines, Hope, Sukkar (who could improve but clearly isn't there yet), Fa'atape and so forth, and a bit more reliability out of the backup middles.

What this also means is that we're only going to become competitive in the long run when we are producing first-grade quality juniors, year in year out, as a matter of course. These players, 20-30 on the roster, are going to be on low salaries (especially when you're relying on the free agent market, and thus paying overs, for your stars). Yes, there are occasional diamonds that can be picked up from the discard pile - but it's not reliable.

This theory is so true, the players 20-30 need to be able to step up to NRL level without a big drop of skill, positional play, team harmony.
That is why Jock Madden, with his experience and skills ( just lacked speed) will be able to direct Javon Andrews and the forward pack of KOE to be more NRL capable.
The overall, big picture plans, are in progress.
Need some forwards now and move on the deadwood to make it happen.
Sentiments need to be overruled if we want to progress. Not an easy task, but looking much better.

 

[Tiger Stripes]

So, just playing devil's advocate here but, someone is released from jail and his prior occupation is professional football player, should the NRL have the right to refuse him to make an honest living as part of his release and rehabilitation.

Would it happen if he was a builder, plumber or electrician?

Would the Master Builder's Association or relevant industry association say that he could not work in that industry until the time that his full prison term has expired?

A good point for the NRL to consider.

 

[das tigers]

If Manase is allowed to play NRL once released from jail then good, I’m sure we will give him an opportunity, we would be mad not to, but if he’s not allowed than there is nothing Wests Tigers can do about it.
We need 2-3 quality players in addition to re-signing Douehi and Taylan May ASAP, well before we need tj worry about the Manase situation.
Talakai ticks a lot of boxes, he would be my choice to prioritise as our number 15 to cone on and make a positive impact, but also apply pressure tjo a starting position in the back row or centres.
We then should be making a choice of who we want out of Trey Mooney, Davvy Moale, Braden Hamlin-Uele and Jack Hetherington as our likely number 15.
The final recruit should be an outside back as potentially an upgrade on the constantly injured To’a.

I'd like to see that.Lock up AD and Taylan and then add Talakai,Mooney and Hamlin-Uele with KPP to
our pack.

 

[Nonotmeagain]

A good point for the NRL to consider.

You don't have to be a member of the Master Builders to work in that industry. But if you want to be member of the Master Builders Assoc you must follow their rules - if you don't you can't be a member. And they can and do refuse membership

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

If Manase is allowed to play NRL once released from jail then good, I’m sure we will give him an opportunity, we would be mad not to, but if he’s not allowed than there is nothing Wests Tigers can do about it.
We need 2-3 quality players in addition to re-signing Douehi and Taylan May ASAP, well before we need to worry about the Manase situation.
Talakai ticks a lot of boxes, he would be my choice to prioritise as our number 15 to cone on and make a positive impact, but also apply pressure for a starting position in the back row or centres.
We then should be making a choice of who we want out of Trey Mooney, Davvy Moale, Braden Hamlin-Uele and Jack Hetherington as our likely number 17.
The final recruit should be an outside back as potentially an upgrade on the constantly injured To’a.

Big difference between working towards earning a T&T deal, then getting one and then playing NRL.

I think it’s smart move from him and like the approach, earn his way back rather than just expect a deal. If he is hungry have no doubts he will nail it.

 

[Odessa]

I can remember Canterbury fans from the old days i.e 60s and 70s. They were good people like fans of Wests, Balmain and Newtown at the same time. The demographic changes to that whole area out to Bankstown and beyond have led to the current situation where some of their fans behave atrociously. I have mates from the old days who only follow them on TV now because they feel uncomfortable at games.

A guy I know was at the Canberra game this year when the Canberra fans got abused it was horrendous he said

He's a Roosters guy and won't wear a jersey at the Canterbury games

 

[coivtny]

A guy I know was at the Canberra game this year when the Canberra fans got abused it was horrendous he said

He's a Roosters guy and won't wear a jersey at the Canterbury games

Yep, I've heard stories like this. The abuse can be overwhelming at times.

 

[liltiger]

They don't register it - simple - and you have to be registered to play. They are allowed to determine who plays in their competition and under what rules. They are not restraining his trade as there are other avenues to allow him to earn a living playing football ( Super League for instance) they are enforcing the rules of THEIR competition. Similar to the rules they enforce on how old you can be, who can play SoO, what the conditions are to represent a country etc.

Then by that theory they could reimplement a draft. Terry Hill won the supreme court case for a restraint of trade, but perhaps if we revisit it the N.R.L could argue the players not willing to participate could ply their trade overseas.

 

[liltiger]

Imagine if you started a company and a court told you that you must hire people coming out of prison because they used to do the same thing your new company does?

The NRL is a private organisation. They do not have to register every contract just because it falls under the cap. They can reject anyone on any basis provided it's not based on unjust discriminatory grounds such as those protected in Australia (race etc.).

For example, they wouldn't register Folau for a simple insta post...different, but he also didn't go to prison either.

But the company or employer in this instance would be Wests Tigers. If the N.R.L refused to register the contract as he was in prison, just wonder if he would have a legal avenue to challenge it. I'm not saying we should or shouldn't try to sign him, just curious how he could attempt it.

 

[liltiger]

The players have a duty to not bring the game into disrepute.

The fans have no such contract.

Seems unfair, but you really want the NRL to start controlling what fans can and can't say and do at games?

They do. If you say a stupid racial remark, you could be banned for life. I don't agree with doing it, iv never done it. But seriously you say a few words, and it gets you banned for life.