Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Tiger Stripes said:
Who designs and sets the KPI'S.
Both agree to the hypothetical KPI. Nothing would get signed.
I think if the club pays the contract money, they should have the say if they are up to standard or not and whether they stay, upgrade or go elsewhere.
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KPIs would be part of the negotiation process.
When pitching to any junior player currently, you outline their expected path forward and how the club will help them with this as well as the players expected commitments as well.
The only addition to what is currently being discussed is that if the player doesn't meet their commitments and achieve expected outcomes then the contract is terminated.

What you are suggesting is essentially every year of a contract is a club option. This is where, in my opinion, no contracts would get signed. From a players perspective there is no long term security if the club can opt out at any moment. Additionally the club is essentially telling them they have no faith in them from year to year. Why would a player take those terms?
 
crazycat said:
if re Bula.

Yes, the new clubs will pay him more.
I could potentially see Gold coast offering him 850k depending on Hannay's views...

The market can go crazy. Newcastle has clearly demonstrated that they will use the cap to snipe people they want. Fortunately, Bula is very good but not a great footballer.


Personally I am over the BS and it's BS all generated from Moses. Get the best contract for your client, sure. But don't go arguing like a ex-girlfriend promissed an engagement ring.
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The Titans might want to sign Bula when they already have Kini, Brimson and Campbell contracted to them ?
I wish someone could ask Josh Hannay for his thoughts on that ?
 
gregjm87 said:
KPIs would be part of the negotiation process.
When pitching to any junior player currently, you outline their expected path forward and how the club will help them with this as well as the players expected commitments as well.
The only addition to what is currently being discussed is that if the player doesn't meet their commitments and achieve expected outcomes then the contract is terminated.

What you are suggesting is essentially every year of a contract is a club option. This is where, in my opinion, no contracts would get signed. From a players perspective there is no long term security if the club can opt out at any moment. Additionally the club is essentially telling them they have no faith in them from year to year. Why would a player take those terms?
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If the player doesn't meet their "expected commitments" [as discussed at negotiation stage] and achieve "expected outcomes", then Quote "the contract is terminated".
"Expected commitments" and "expected outcomes" is a very grey area to me.
Who is the judge---the coach, WT management? The Player or his manager? [assuming injuries are not an issue]
If WT management drops them back to a lower grade or park football because of nonperformance IN THEIR OPINION e.g. to Masey Cup if not up to KOE level. " Does that mean the "contract can be terminated"?
I am using Will Craig as my mystery man on how the nuts and bolts come together or fall apart.
WT always seem to have problems offloading nonperformers/underperformers.
Please educate me, but if too complicated, forget it. I'll just accept the end decisions.
 
Tiger Stripes said:
If the player doesn't meet their "expected commitments" [as discussed at negotiation stage] and achieve "expected outcomes", then Quote "the contract is terminated".
"Expected commitments" and "expected outcomes" is a very grey area to me.
Who is the judge---the coach, WT management? The Player or his manager? [assuming injuries are not an issue]
If WT management drops them back to a lower grade or park football because of nonperformance IN THEIR OPINION e.g. to Masey Cup if not up to KOE level. " Does that mean the "contract can be terminated"?
I am using Will Craig as my mystery man on how the nuts and bolts come together or fall apart.
WT always seem to have problems offloading nonperformers/underperformers.
Please educate me, but if too complicated, forget it. I'll just accept the end decisions.
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Well there is no set scenario because this is all a hypothetical potential way of going about a contract. So potentially to hard.

However, you would start with KPIs for things in the players control such as conditioning (weight and/or skin fold requirements, beep/yoyo targets) and training (attendance, on-time attendance percentage targets).

As for on-field targets the traditional method is games (and grade) played. I don't know enough about Will Craig to relate it to him specifically but by say age 19 any back should be nsw cup level (perhaps a little older for forwards). So it would be play 12 games or more of cup to trigger the next year. You could change it to something like percentage of games available you are selected in the top expected grade for example 70% of the games available he should be picked in ressies. It is common for fringe players to have extension clauses put in for games played e.g. Klemmer had one.

US sports often have stats based bonuses. I'm not really big on stats based clauses unless it was for something specifically being worked on by a player but that could also be an option.
 
crazycat said:
if re Bula.

Yes, the new clubs will pay him more.
I could potentially see Gold coast offering him 850k depending on Hannay's views...

The market can go crazy. Newcastle has clearly demonstrated that they will use the cap to snipe people they want. Fortunately, Bula is very good but not a great footballer.


Personally I am over the BS and it's BS all generated from Moses. Get the best contract for your client, sure. But don't go arguing like a ex-girlfriend promissed an engagement ring.
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The BS is all generated by you! You're believing stuff that you've made up yourself.
 
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