Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Rock Hopper Steve]

Keep it respectful mate, did I insult you?

I couldn't help myself it was a silly comment, most on here thought he was good, but you don't see it, you saw how good the roo's defense was they were all over him like a blanket, but he was able to make some ground plus get a few offloads away and I only seen him miss one tackle.

 

[Dr_Ice]

This tour has been half arsed. There should have been two warm up games before the First Test and one in between each of the other two.
The NRL season is too long….3 byes each is a joke. Cut it down to 20 rounds and play more international footy.

Unfortunately warm up games would only improve us and make the games even less competitive

 

[crazycat]

No. You don't. No other club does this. You say you can have, that's fine but unless we sign a replacement first.

I get a feeling we've offered him 650-700k a season and not budging. Paying him what he's worth. No one will pay him more than 700k. No-one.

if re Bula.

Yes, the new clubs will pay him more.
I could potentially see Gold coast offering him 850k depending on Hannay's views...

The market can go crazy. Newcastle has clearly demonstrated that they will use the cap to snipe people they want. Fortunately, Bula is very good but not a great footballer.


Personally I am over the BS and it's BS all generated from Moses. Get the best contract for your client, sure. But don't go arguing like a ex-girlfriend promissed an engagement ring.

 

[gregjm87]

Who designs and sets the KPI'S.
Both agree to the hypothetical KPI. Nothing would get signed.
I think if the club pays the contract money, they should have the say if they are up to standard or not and whether they stay, upgrade or go elsewhere.

KPIs would be part of the negotiation process.
When pitching to any junior player currently, you outline their expected path forward and how the club will help them with this as well as the players expected commitments as well.
The only addition to what is currently being discussed is that if the player doesn't meet their commitments and achieve expected outcomes then the contract is terminated.

What you are suggesting is essentially every year of a contract is a club option. This is where, in my opinion, no contracts would get signed. From a players perspective there is no long term security if the club can opt out at any moment. Additionally the club is essentially telling them they have no faith in them from year to year. Why would a player take those terms?

 

[Vicious]

if re Bula.

Yes, the new clubs will pay him more.
I could potentially see Gold coast offering him 850k depending on Hannay's views...

The market can go crazy. Newcastle has clearly demonstrated that they will use the cap to snipe people they want. Fortunately, Bula is very good but not a great footballer.


Personally I am over the BS and it's BS all generated from Moses. Get the best contract for your client, sure. But don't go arguing like a ex-girlfriend promissed an engagement ring.

The Titans might want to sign Bula when they already have Kini, Brimson and Campbell contracted to them ?
I wish someone could ask Josh Hannay for his thoughts on that ?

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

The Titans might want to sign Bula when they already have Kini, Brimson and Campbell contracted to them ?
I wish someone could ask Josh Hannay for his thoughts on that ?

Just like props V you can never have too many fullbacks lol.

 

[tigahhh]

@ benji & richo sign soni luke

 

[Tiger Stripes]

KPIs would be part of the negotiation process.
When pitching to any junior player currently, you outline their expected path forward and how the club will help them with this as well as the players expected commitments as well.
The only addition to what is currently being discussed is that if the player doesn't meet their commitments and achieve expected outcomes then the contract is terminated.

What you are suggesting is essentially every year of a contract is a club option. This is where, in my opinion, no contracts would get signed. From a players perspective there is no long term security if the club can opt out at any moment. Additionally the club is essentially telling them they have no faith in them from year to year. Why would a player take those terms?

If the player doesn't meet their "expected commitments" [as discussed at negotiation stage] and achieve "expected outcomes", then Quote "the contract is terminated".
"Expected commitments" and "expected outcomes" is a very grey area to me.
Who is the judge---the coach, WT management? The Player or his manager? [assuming injuries are not an issue]
If WT management drops them back to a lower grade or park football because of nonperformance IN THEIR OPINION e.g. to Masey Cup if not up to KOE level. " Does that mean the "contract can be terminated"?
I am using Will Craig as my mystery man on how the nuts and bolts come together or fall apart.
WT always seem to have problems offloading nonperformers/underperformers.
Please educate me, but if too complicated, forget it. I'll just accept the end decisions.

 

[crazycat]

..it’s about Brimson

Arrgh, how I hate the new forum.

I can only click back so many posts....

 

[crazycat]

AD negotiated his own contract with us , without IM getting a commission

Really??

Bloody Terrorgraph, man they are a horrible newspaper. I had read there that AD had Moses as his agent. Man they say some BS.

Instead: https://www.sportingnews.com/au/rug...-isaac-moses-comment/ed977a56de8a8a8954e77bbf

Ok so AD used Moses to ask other clubs if they were interested. Not signed with him.
This is good news.

 

[jstigers]

@ benji & richo sign soni luke

source?

 

[tigahhh]

source?

oh no I’m telling them to sign him 😂

 

[hank37w]

I think @tigahhh is asking them to sign him.

 

[hank37w]

Woops, I was a bit too slow.

 

[gregjm87]

If the player doesn't meet their "expected commitments" [as discussed at negotiation stage] and achieve "expected outcomes", then Quote "the contract is terminated".
"Expected commitments" and "expected outcomes" is a very grey area to me.
Who is the judge---the coach, WT management? The Player or his manager? [assuming injuries are not an issue]
If WT management drops them back to a lower grade or park football because of nonperformance IN THEIR OPINION e.g. to Masey Cup if not up to KOE level. " Does that mean the "contract can be terminated"?
I am using Will Craig as my mystery man on how the nuts and bolts come together or fall apart.
WT always seem to have problems offloading nonperformers/underperformers.
Please educate me, but if too complicated, forget it. I'll just accept the end decisions.

Well there is no set scenario because this is all a hypothetical potential way of going about a contract. So potentially to hard.

However, you would start with KPIs for things in the players control such as conditioning (weight and/or skin fold requirements, beep/yoyo targets) and training (attendance, on-time attendance percentage targets).

As for on-field targets the traditional method is games (and grade) played. I don't know enough about Will Craig to relate it to him specifically but by say age 19 any back should be nsw cup level (perhaps a little older for forwards). So it would be play 12 games or more of cup to trigger the next year. You could change it to something like percentage of games available you are selected in the top expected grade for example 70% of the games available he should be picked in ressies. It is common for fringe players to have extension clauses put in for games played e.g. Klemmer had one.

US sports often have stats based bonuses. I'm not really big on stats based clauses unless it was for something specifically being worked on by a player but that could also be an option.

 

[tigerballs]

if re Bula.

Yes, the new clubs will pay him more.
I could potentially see Gold coast offering him 850k depending on Hannay's views...

The market can go crazy. Newcastle has clearly demonstrated that they will use the cap to snipe people they want. Fortunately, Bula is very good but not a great footballer.


Personally I am over the BS and it's BS all generated from Moses. Get the best contract for your client, sure. But don't go arguing like a ex-girlfriend promissed an engagement ring.

The BS is all generated by you! You're believing stuff that you've made up yourself.

 

[Tim Sheens]

What about the #6, surely he was the model for the Jerome Luai mural.

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Surely the club have had the artist address his original effort by now?

 

[innsaneink]

The BS is all generated by you! You're believing stuff that you've made up yourself.

Glad I'm not the only one...no offence CC but you do tend to turn 'hypotheticals' into fact

 

[Merlot]

@ benji & richo sign soni luke

wow , he was the ants pants in Reggies a few years ago , why would we need him now

 

[Merlot]

The BS is all generated by you! You're believing stuff that you've made up yourself.

the place is gone to hell in a hand basket LOL .,its the off season , shame on you all getting tangled up