Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

The trick is moving on Bula - the $$ saved would assist in providing additional firepower where it's needed and not reduce the teams capacity anywhere near the extent the KK would improve it.
The attack without Bula isn’t good enough. No point strengthening the pack with his money if there is no spark out the back & no tries being scored.

Not saying the young lad from Penrith isn’t good enough to take over but id keep expectations realistic with him. Penrith decided to keep & extend another young fullback that’s a similar age over Attard. Certainly doesn’t mean he’s a bad player but he’s a long way off Bula for at least 2 or 3 seasons IMO
 
I simply called out the ones I thought were laughable

Relax man.

To me, atm, KPP is only an international by name but not ability. Go and have a look at his PCM and tackle bust stats compared to these other guys?

He isn't better the any of the players, I have mentioned, starting and/or coming of the bench and that's over thirty players.

Which ones are laughable?
 
Can't remember which game in 1st grade it was but his defense lost us the game, from memory 3 bad misses where he let attackers through the line.
Think it was the Raiders game RHS. They ran at his right shoulder early in the game and scored. Did it twice more in the first half for 2 more tries. Was like a highway to the tryline for anyone in green. I don't like knocking a bloke who is doing his best to play NRL football but one on one tackling in the backline really should be a prerequisite.
 
The attack without Bula isn’t good enough. No point strengthening the pack with his money if there is no spark out the back & no tries being scored.

Not saying the young lad from Penrith isn’t good enough to take over but id keep expectations realistic with him. Penrith decided to keep & extend another young fullback that’s a similar age over Attard. Certainly doesn’t mean he’s a bad player but he’s a long way off Bula for at least 2 or 3 seasons IMO
Bula hardly presents any threats to top 8 opposition defences with his attack or with his kick returns - maybe slightly more with clubs in the lower 8 but that's offset by his weaknesses in other areas.
 
Relax man.

To me, atm, KPP is only an international by name but not ability. Go and have a look at his PCM and tackle bust stats compared to these other guys?

He isn't better the any of the players, I have mentioned, starting and/or coming of the bench and that's over thirty players.

Which ones are laughable?
Get a better glasses or TV Chunky?

He has outstanding pace & runs into holes - but the English & Newcastle halfs play too slow.
 
So that's the NSW cup and back up fullback sorted...

1. Jack Attard
6. Javon Andrews
7. Jock Madden
9. Tristan Hope

Throw in some other options, our cup team and depth is going to be an upgrade in 2026.
Yup - I'd like another hooker. There was least a couple of decent backup options that IMO we should have gone for - now no longer available.

Proper back ups - ie ones that are happy to play cup but can provide some value filling in when needed.

Hope, while he seems like a decent and hard working guy, just doesn't cut it.
 
Yup - I'd like another hooker. There was least a couple of decent backup options that IMO we should have gone for - now no longer available.

Proper back ups - ie ones that are happy to play cup but can provide some value filling in when needed.


Hope, while he seems like a decent and hard working guy, just doesn't cut it.
Who?

Name names rather than pretending!
 
Relax man.

To me, atm, KPP is only an international by name but not ability. Go and have a look at his PCM and tackle bust stats compared to these other guys?

He isn't better the any of the players, I have mentioned, starting and/or coming of the bench and that's over thirty players.

Which ones are laughable?
I literally have answered this already . Like I said some dudes on here , just regurgitate the same things over and over .
 
Youll be disappointed
More of the same ? Re. The same design ? Or the new designs are very meh ?
I don’t get it really. Some of the fan designs are really creative and really sleek and minimal but hit the point. I know there’s design rules stipulated by the nrl , but the colours lend themselves to all kinds of unique and awesome jersey. I mean , there’s only so much you can do with sky blue and white . For example .
 
Bula hardly presents any threats to top 8 opposition defences with his attack or with his kick returns - maybe slightly more with clubs in the lower 8 but that's offset by his weaknesses in other areas.
When he was out, we couldn't score points and looked horrible. When he came back we started to string some performances and points again. It's not rocket science what the difference was
 
Yup - I'd like another hooker. There was least a couple of decent backup options that IMO we should have gone for - now no longer available.

Proper back ups - ie ones that are happy to play cup but can provide some value filling in when needed.

Hope, while he seems like a decent and hard working guy, just doesn't cut it.
Like it or not, he is who we signed for that role. Could we have done better? Yes. But Benji decided to re-sign Hope for some reason. They expect Haywood to come on fairly quickly I think
 
Wasn’t me who made those comparisons, a guy made a list saying all these players were better. I simply called out the ones I thought were laughable . And I brought up the confirmation bias and how annoying it is . “Im right because of my opinion . This is my opinion of the reason I’m right “ like seriously wtf!
I simply stated facts . The nrl has deemed KPP to be to the value of 550-650k . Which puts him in the probably 80th percentile , maybe higher .
People can once again convince themselves they’re right by making excuses like , “we were bidding against ourselves “ or whatever stupidity they want to come up with . In the end , the market dictated that he’s valuable . I personally value his skill set , but like others I hope he can improve his explosiveness off the mark .
It’s really annoying seeing the same people always bag our signings no matter what quality they are , constantly being contrarians .especially when I know most of these lounge chair experts have never laced a boot on in their life , been around a club , coached , or done anything really other than voyeur a game from the comfort of their lounge for X amount of years .
KPP is a great signing. Strong defensively , stands in tackles , has gravitational force on the field - what do I mean by that . He attracts players and demands respect . Some players simply don’t have that . Seyfarth is one of those players . Most of our edge backrowers have been that way . Even Ice , the opposition didn’t respect him like we all thought they would . Probably because the guys outside him were shit , so they knew where ball was going , but still . KPP has that gravitational force on the field . In fact most of that right edge does. Turuva/Skelton/Makasini , Makasini/May/Toa, KPP, and whichever of AD and Fainu, with Bula out the back . Each player should create space for the next . Which we haven’t had for years , as teams can ignore 1 or more attacking threat and slide or jam up on the ones who are.
A bit to unpack here.
As for the supposed confirmation bias. I am stating what evidence shapes my opinion. I think this is very logical to do in a discussion and not sure why you found it so annoying aside from it being a retort to your comment. You have essentially done the same thing by referencing market values in your argument.
Taking Chunk's one comment, without considering any of his previous comments in the discussion, then you are indeed 100% correct that KPP is better than the few players you mentioned.
However with additional consideration given to his earlier comments, especially given his initial statement was along the lines of our forward pack is a concern as we have no-one of the quality of of the many players on show during these rep games then I think his comments are fair enough and why I think comparing KPP to the hookers playing not a fair comparison. Even more so when a lot of people don't include the hooker when discussing the 'pack' since they've started to refer to them as a member the 'spine'.
As for KPP as a signing. That wasn't part of any of the discussion. He is a good player with the potential to be much better than he has shown thus far in a position we desperately needed. I think he is on a fair salary for what he has shown thus far as well. I think it is an excellent signing for a club in our position. As I said that wasn't the discussion and I see only one backrower from the rep teams mentioned whom I believe KPP is a better player than.
Finally, as for the same people criticising all our signings. I assume you mean me and/or chunk. I don't know Chunk's opinion on most of our signings (or his credentials), I don't typically pay much attention to user names when reading unless I think something is very insightful (Jolls as an example) or very stupid (plenty of examples but I won't name them). To be fair to you I have criticised some of our signings, either the player (Olam, Bird) or the value (Turuva, Sullivan). I have spoken glowingly of some signings (Skelton, Hunt whom I have since been unimpressed by) and been rather neutral on some (Luai doesn't have 1.2m of value in him but is the circuit breaker we needed).
 
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