Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

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Someone on twitter claiming that Tigers have approached Israel Folau as a fullback in 2018.
Not sure what to believe atm

Easy to believe Tigers have sounded out lots of players, Twitter can have those ones. If Tigers are being diligent they would have made contact with all potential options, even left-field ones to see the state of play.

Much harder to believe Tigers will make actual offers to certain players and how much they would be offering.
 
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Matthew Johns analyses Kieran Foran’s arrival at Canterbury Bulldogs

Ben Glover
May 10, 2017 11:32am
BEN GLOVER@glover_benny
Source: FOX SPORTS
KIERAN Foran is a done deal at the Bulldogs, with the star half announcing his Warriors exit and his manager Sam Ayoub confirming to The Daily Telegraph that Canterbury have their man.

It’s another massive signing in a period full of sensational moves that will give the 2018 season a very different look.

Equal for hype with the James Tedesco switch to the Roosters, Foran’s move could in fact be the one that defines the premiership battle next year, with Matthew Johns claiming it instantly propelled the Bulldogs back into premiership contention.

The big money involved in Foran’s acquisition is certain to force Canterbury to move some freight, with that process started by Josh Reynolds’ decision to take up a lucrative offer with the Wests Tigers.

There’s several other big names who could yet follow Reynolds out of Belmore and Johns identified two Bulldogs stars whose career paths are about to change.

Speaking on Triple M’s The Grill Team on Wednesday morning, Johns said Foran would make a huge difference to young half Moses Mbye’s game and would likely force skipper James Graham out of the club.

“The thing about it is, it’s one thing to let players go but someone’s got to take those players off their hands,” Johns said.

“Next year James Graham’s on about $950,000 I believe, so they’ve got to free that up.

“It’s one thing to say to a club, ‘yeah we’re going to let James Graham go’ but I reckon at the moment there’s only one or two clubs — **one of which is Newcastle, which I’ve said, who would say, OK we’re going to pay you that, in fact rather than pay you $950,000 we’re going to pay you $1.15m.**

Ben Ikin, Nathan Ryan and Ben Glover are joined by Kieran Foran’s manager Sam Ayoub to discuss his move and the fallout for the Bulldogs and Warriors.

“So the ball’s in Newcastle’s court. (The Bulldogs) have gotta offload some money, for me it’s the obvious one, James Graham to Newcastle.”

Another star forward who could be on the outer is Sam Kasiano, with foxsports.com.au reporting in Nathan Ryan’s Market Watch column that the Storm were interested in luring the man they call ‘Dogzilla’ to Melbourne as a replacement for Cowboys-bound Jordan McLean.

Both Graham and Kasiano are under contract with the Bulldogs next season but the arrival of Aaron Woods is likely to shake a big name forward out and Canterbury are in a position where they would listen to offers from rival clubs.

The loss of Graham, Kasiano or both would be a blow that Foran’s arrival would soften if he can lift the players around him and Johns said the 23-year-old Mbye stood to benefit most.

On a big deal that will keep him at Belmore until the end of the 2020 season, Mbye is seen as the Bulldogs’ future but he has struggled to take his game to the next level with the added responsibility that has fallen his way since the departure of Trent Hodkinsoin at the end of the 2015 season.

Johns said part of Mbye’s struggles can be put down to his role, which has been overcomplicated by the lack of a game manager in Canterbury’s spine.

“Moses has come up a little bit short because they need him in 2016 to be more than the player that he is,” Johns explained.

“Moses Mbye’s style, he reminds me of a rabbit looking for a hole in the fence, he’s a ducker and he’s a darter. They need a person who’s going to steer the side around the park and he’s never going to be that kind of player.

“When Kieran Foran goes there, suddenly he runs the whole side and he allows Moses to be that exciting, free runner of the football. Don’t worry about steering the side around the park, don’t worry about last tackle options, (Foran will) look after that.

“So, all of a sudden the pieces of the puzzle sit where they should be.

“That’s the reason — they’ve got a great winning culture at the Bulldogs — Kieran will make an enormous difference and they’ll be a top four side at least next year.”

This is where clubs like Newcastle and us need to be talking to each other - why pay overs for Graham when the dogs will probably have to let him go and subsidise the payments as well.
 
I see Cronulla are now interested in Dugan. I understand that the Tigers would have plans in place for different positions v cost etc but Cronulla have a policy of buying established, proven first grade/rep players and here they go again.

We have paid decent coin for Reynolds but no other backline players. I would take Dugan for fullback (yep, pay what he wants, fullback money) and I would get Hopoate (centre money but will cover for Dugan at the back too). If we only get one I would opt for Hopoate
 
James O'Connor is off contract. Would be a great strike centre/fullback
 
James O'Connor is off contract. Would be a great strike centre/fullback
 
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James O'Connor is off contract. Would be a great strike centre/fullback

We're 1/2 with rugby signings so far. He'd be a risk, not to mention we'd have to convince him to sign with us in the first place.
 
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I see Cronulla are now interested in Dugan. I understand that the Tigers would have plans in place for different positions v cost etc but Cronulla have a policy of buying established, proven first grade/rep players and here they go again.

We have paid decent coin for Reynolds but no other backline players. I would take Dugan for fullback (yep, pay what he wants, fullback money) and I would get Hopoate (centre money but will cover for Dugan at the back too). If we only get one I would opt for Hopoate

I agree with this idea completely.

1\. Dugan
2\. Nofo
3\. Hopoate
4\. Suli
5\. Fonua
6\. Reynolds
7\. Brooks

Pretty good backline, both in attack and defensively. Certainly the best one that is available to us right now.
 
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James O'Connor is off contract. Would be a great strike centre/fullback

Kurtley Beale is also available … and if Melbourne Rebels fold what happens to Reece Hodge's contract that he signed in 2016? Does it become void? Folau? Beaudene Barrett (New Zealand would riot)

And what about Gamble? Don't write the lad off yet ... he is a real talent and given the smallest opportunity he will take it with both hands. He will turn out to be a real pesky Queenslander.
 
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James O'Connor is off contract. Would be a great strike centre/fullback

Kurtley Beale is also available … and if Melbourne Rebels fold what happens to Reece Hodge's contract that he signed in 2016? Does it become void? Folau? Beaudene Barrett (New Zealand would riot)

And what about Gamble? Don't write the lad off yet ... he is a real talent and given the smallest opportunity he will take it with both hands. He will turn out to be a real pesky Queenslander.

Reece is contracted to the wallabies. So he'd probably end up at another aus team.
Koroibete I'd be happy to take back if Rebels fold
 
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James O'Connor is off contract. Would be a great strike centre/fullback

Was stood down at Tulon for doing Coke, not the drink type.

excellent, he'll be even cheaper

A big, strong and fast centre who can kick a goal from 50m out
 
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I see Cronulla are now interested in Dugan. I understand that the Tigers would have plans in place for different positions v cost etc but Cronulla have a policy of buying established, proven first grade/rep players and here they go again.

We have paid decent coin for Reynolds but no other backline players. I would take Dugan for fullback (yep, pay what he wants, fullback money) and I would get Hopoate (centre money but will cover for Dugan at the back too). If we only get one I would opt for Hopoate

Every team has a policy of buying established, proven first graders! They all want to mix youth and experience, juniors and imports, risks and bankables.

For most teams that strategy doesn't quite work out every year, because most teams don't go deep into the finals. And the way the form goes the last two decades, the mantle of "top side" constantly shifts.

It's not just about getting your roster mix right, it's as much about getting the performance out of the team and not incurring too many injuries.

Look at the Sharks backline for the GF - Barba, Feki, Bird, Leutele, Holmes, Maloney, Townsend.

Legitimately only Maloney was ever an established and consistent pickup from another club, unwanted by Roosters for the price. Barba was rejected by Brisbane, Feki, Leutele and Holmes were all juniors. Leutele especially only managed 13 games in his first 4 seasons.

Jack Bird was a promising young St George junior they pinched before he'd played a single game of firsts. Worked for them for the duration of the contract, but there's a fundamental problem with signing mercenaries.

Chad Townsend played 19 games in his first 3 years at Cronulla, they let him go to Warriors where he played 2 functional if fairly average seasons, then came back and won a comp his first year. Big turnaround for Chad in 2016.

Cronulla just got the mix right, it wasn't all about signings, it was the coaching, the gameplan, the training and the headspace.

Then look at the rest of their side - lots of op pickups that turned out well, hardly established footballers though. Fifita was a sweetener for taking on Bryce Gibbs, who didn't really work out, but Fifita after 2 years off the bench found his best. Bukuya they got back from Warriors, Tagatese was an option from Titans, same with Heighington. They got Jesse Sene-Lefao from Manly after two serviceable years and he only managed 6 games.

Basically Cronulla signed 5 blokes that changed the club - Bird, Ennis, Graham, Lewis and Maloney. 4 of those 5 were on the outer at their previous clubs. Lewis was on the scrapheap at Penrith, Dogs preferred Lichaa to Ennis and Graham was struggling at Penrith. For me, Graham is the best signing they've made in a very very long time, can't understand what Penrith were doing letting him go.

To prise away a player who is still wanted by their current club - not so common and costly $$$$!

Now it's fine for Cronulla to offer a mil to Dugan if they please, they have space having lost Bird. I personally don't know if it is worth it, lot of money for a player who really isn't in the top top tier of game-changing footballers.

Cronulla got the wooden spoon 3 years ago and between 2003-2011 made the finals twice.
 
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I see Cronulla are now interested in Dugan. I understand that the Tigers would have plans in place for different positions v cost etc but Cronulla have a policy of buying established, proven first grade/rep players and here they go again.

We have paid decent coin for Reynolds but no other backline players. I would take Dugan for fullback (yep, pay what he wants, fullback money) and I would get Hopoate (centre money but will cover for Dugan at the back too). If we only get one I would opt for Hopoate

Every team has a policy of buying established, proven first graders! They all want to mix youth and experience, juniors and imports, risks and bankables.

For most teams that strategy doesn't quite work out every year, because most teams don't go deep into the finals. And the way the form goes the last two decades, the mantle of "top side" constantly shifts.

It's not just about getting your roster mix right, it's as much about getting the performance out of the team and not incurring too many injuries.

Look at the Sharks backline for the GF - Barba, Feki, Bird, Leutele, Holmes, Maloney, Townsend.

Legitimately only Maloney was ever an established and consistent pickup from another club, unwanted by Roosters for the price. Barba was rejected by Brisbane, Feki, Leutele and Holmes were all juniors. Leutele especially only managed 13 games in his first 4 seasons.

Jack Bird was a promising young St George junior they pinched before he'd played a single game of firsts. Worked for them for the duration of the contract, but there's a fundamental problem with signing mercenaries.

Chad Townsend played 19 games in his first 3 years at Cronulla, they let him go to Warriors where he played 2 functional if fairly average seasons, then came back and won a comp his first year. Big turnaround for Chad in 2016.

Cronulla just got the mix right, it wasn't all about signings, it was the coaching, the gameplan, the training and the headspace.

Then look at the rest of their side - lots of op pickups that turned out well, hardly established footballers though. Fifita was a sweetener for taking on Bryce Gibbs, who didn't really work out, but Fifita after 2 years off the bench found his best. Bukuya they got back from Warriors, Tagatese was an option from Titans, same with Heighington. They got Jesse Sene-Lefao from Manly after two serviceable years and he only managed 6 games.

Basically Cronulla signed 5 blokes that changed the club - Bird, Ennis, Graham, Lewis and Maloney. 4 of those 5 were on the outer at their previous clubs. Lewis was on the scrapheap at Penrith, Dogs preferred Lichaa to Ennis and Graham was struggling at Penrith. For me, Graham is the best signing they've made in a very very long time, can't understand what Penrith were doing letting him go.

To prise away a player who is still wanted by their current club - not so common and costly $$$$!

Now it's fine for Cronulla to offer a mil to Dugan if they please, they have space having lost Bird. I personally don't know if it is worth it, lot of money for a player who really isn't in the top top tier of game-changing footballers.

Cronulla got the wooden spoon 3 years ago and between 2003-2011 made the finals twice.

You must be right mate.
I couldn't be bothered to write a novel
 
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