Cairnstigers
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Rorters to re sign
Sio Siua Takeahome
And $500'000
Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion
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Rorters to re sign
Sio Siua Takeahome
And $500'000
earl
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He looked really good.
Donald_Trump
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Kikau = impact
Sign him
Sign him
happy_tiger
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Nick Graham deserves a honourable mention , stepping out of the way of Piggy Riddell when the Saints put 50 on us for the last try , trying to recall , did Easts put 50 on us the week before or after
gallagher
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Yep. At cambo. That was a long flight back to perth for me.
happy_tiger
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You can really work with his frame , easily take another 10 kgs
The Beast will then become THE BEAST
Tim Sheens
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Gave me a chuckle.
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All i remember of that easts flogging was bryce gibbs crying on the bench after coming off…christ weve had some embarrasments
cochise
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Was the Saints game the one at Kogarah when it was pouring rain?
If so that was one of my worst experiences at a footy game, sitting on the hill in pouring rain, getting flogged, couldn't leave as I was still alive in the doubles with Jason Moody as my second try scorer. He almost scored twice, what a horrible day.
Spud_Murphy
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I guess we see it differently.
Tim Sheens
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You may well be correct if Alex can bring out his passing game, of which the only time that I recall seeing one was when DCE intercepted to stop a certain try, but from what he has shown thus far, whilst of a great standard, is workmanlike and thus not what is generally considered as creating an impact.
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Why mention Moses and Moltzen together?
For all Moltzen did wrong, we dropped him for Robert Lui (which was a good decision till he bashed his wife..*sigh*)
Then he came back to us for a season or two and I think we dropped him fast. He went from talent to nothing and I think it was because of injuries.
I'm sure there were hassles fitting him in and buying him back from St George. But that's very different to Moses gathering 3 team mates and saying it's all or nothing.
old_man_tiger
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Have to agree with you mate. I hope he makes a line break or two a game with 15 offloads and takes the short kicking off Brooks.
In reality we might have to settle for 30 tackles, 0 missed and 130 metres a game?
Sorry how do you split 5 million into 26 positions? Even if you consider their TPAs which is reportedly another 300,000.
What is the Minimum wage? Where is that documented? Either way the remainder averages out to 192,000 per player???
I can understand this year with 2x Million dollar players but 4….....
What is the Minimum wage? Where is that documented? Either way the remainder averages out to 192,000 per player???
I can understand this year with 2x Million dollar players but 4….....
jirskyr
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And the NRL have issued an article today stating they are considering releasing the TPAs, to dispel the rumour and misinformation about how many players earn non-cap monies and which clubs pull the highest.
They've already confirmed that Storm, Broncos and Penrith have the highest TPAs, not entirely surprising, but apart from those top clubs they specifically singled out the Roosters as being an average TPA club.
What was also interesting is that of the $9.6M total TPAs in 2017, it is:
* spread across 198 players (12.5 players on average per club)
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* $3.76M comes from the private sector for 93 players - not entirely sure what they mean here, because it leaves almost $6M paid by… public sector? Roy Masters looks at it more closely in the link below. But;
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* Half of the private TPAs (totalling $1.88M) go to just 8 players and half of that goes to just 2 players
Therefore though TPAs average out at $48.5K per player in 2017, it's heavily skewed towards the elite end where 8/198 (4%) of players earned an average $235K TPAs.
https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/02/19/nrl-in-talks-with-clubs-to-publish-figures-on-third-party-agreements/
Roy Masters also took a closer look and expands his commentary to potentially illegal TPAs:
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/nrl-data-suggests-salary-cap-isnt-distorted-by-thirdparty-agreements-20180219-h0wayc.html
Therefore let's look at the Roosters, as Needaname has suggested. Roosters earn average TPAs according to the NRL, so that's something like $50K each spread across ~13 players = $650K total per year.
The salary cap 2018 is $9.4M, and though Crichton is not there for 2018 (the Roosters have previously said they could afford to take him on now), from 2019 they will have 4 very public and highly-paid players. Let's be conservative and say they are all on $800K, which most fans would argue is low for Tedesco and Cronk, and Cordner was reported yesterday to have inked $850K. That's minimum $3.2M of the cap (34%) and leaves $6.2M to play with.
Roosters therefore need to fill out another 26 roster spots, with minimum wage $100K. That's obviously $2.6M, meaning they have $3.6M to pay the remaining 26 roster spots above the minimum wage. How many minimum wage players do they have?
Let's try to objectively group them:
Possibly = Bernard Lewis, Brendan Frei, Lachlan Lam, Cornish, Paul Momirovski, Reece Robinson, Sean O'Sullivan, Brock Gray, Chris Smith, Vunaceke, Joshua Curran, Lindsay Collins, Victor Radley, Zane Tetevano (14)
Definitely not = Ferguson, Cronk, Tedesco, Cordner, Napa, Tupou, Manu, Latrell, Keary, Matterson, Liu, Jake Friend, JWH, Aubusson, Nat Butcher, Taukeiaho (16)
But let's be real, no more than 6-8 players in the Top 30 can possibly be on minimum wage, especially considering most sides use around 24 players per year and anyone who plays FG with any regularity does not earn minimum wage. Let's cap it at 6 players, which of itself is likely an overestimate.
So we have 4 players totalling $3.2M, 6 players totalling $0.6M and $5.6M left to spend on the other 20 spots = $280K average per player.
But we know already there are players well above $280K, just look at the roster and pick out some of the middle-earning players. Forget what you've heard or read, just pick 6 middle earners and assume they earn twice the $280K average that Roosters have left themselves outside the top and bottom players. Say JWH, Keary, Latrell, Napa, Friend, Ferguson. Not a stretch than any of them can earn this money, perhaps too much for some and too little for others, but surely it averages out.
If we were to assume just those 6 guys earn double the remaining average money = $560K each, then suddenly Roosters have spent $3.36M on their "Middle 6", $3.2M on their "Top 4", $0.6M on their "Bottom 6" and the rest can split ($9.4M-$7.16M) $2.24M amongst themselves, i.e. $160K average on 14 players.
That's just not feasible, I can't see anyway you can come at this with even modest figures and get the Roosters' roster. Sure they have plenty of nobodies in their Top 30, but if you take out the Top 10 (i.e. barely half the lineup each week) and the Bottom 6, you have something like 14 players averaging $160K salary. And with that Roosters can top up approx $50K TPAs each max across 13 players (NRL average), but we know it's going to be skewed towards the higher-profile players, so actually the middle-bottom guys don't get that much at all, i.e. nobody pulls more than $200K if they are in the bottom 20 players.
So either the Roosters have absolutely unreal lifestyle packages, superb brain-washing capabilities, Uncle Nick has them set up for life post-footy, or Roosters are doing some absolutely mad shady deals to pay so much money across so few players, and expect us to swallow that 2/3 of their squad earn $150K. Bollocks.
Yeah …..but when you never have to pay for food, clothes, ciggies, booze. coke and women for the rest of your life you don't really need TPA's whist playing the game...
jirskyr
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Roosters have a deal with Coca-Cola? :unamused:
Tiger_Watto
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The problem with both the comparisons of TPA's is it only factors in the NRL approved ones.
The RLPA is zero chance of agreeing to access to players financials.
The only way to develop system is a points system… While money is involved, there will ALWAYS be corruption!
The RLPA is zero chance of agreeing to access to players financials.
The only way to develop system is a points system… While money is involved, there will ALWAYS be corruption!
balmain boy
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When clubs have all these 'mates' with restaurants, cafes, gyms, bars etc that players can attend anytime without paying a cent these things do add up over time. Sly real estate agents selling things on the cheap but picking up the rest in brown paper bags from Uncle Nick, or landlords gifting out luxury pads for well below market rates. You can't police all these little things. The Roosters know that.
It really is unfathomable that more than 6 players in a squad could have a TPA, even 6 is pushing it for most clubs. The big clubs may have more origin and international reps but how many businesses want to spend 200k to get Jeremy Latimore, Hymel Hunt or Young Tounimepea on a business sponsorship?
It really is unfathomable that more than 6 players in a squad could have a TPA, even 6 is pushing it for most clubs. The big clubs may have more origin and international reps but how many businesses want to spend 200k to get Jeremy Latimore, Hymel Hunt or Young Tounimepea on a business sponsorship?
