Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[teddy23]

Point I'm making is you didn't know that in Rd 1 2016, you didn't have any guarantee that JAC was going to do anything. Tigers wanted to keep him, but Storm made a strong offer.

Personally I feel a player debuting in Rd 7 of his first season after NYC is a pretty good achievement, not an indicator of an obstinate or clueless coach. I'm no JT fan but you have to approach these things with a bit of common sense. You're also assuming that if JT played JAC every week from Rd 1 that he never would have signed with the Storm, and we just don't (and won't ever) know that.

Rankin had played 17 NRL games and 50 ESL games, and was also being selected for utility value and goal-kicking. No he didn't turn out to be much of a footballer, but in terms of early-season selections, not the worst decision I've ever seen.

JAC was nobody in Rd 1 2016, and yeah he will probably play Origin this year, but that's 2.5 years later after playing with arguably the best coach of all time, in an all-conquering premiership side in 2017.

I’m not going against the idea no one expected him to get picked round 1, the problem was we lacked pace and attacking threat especially with Rankin and everyone on this forum could see the potential JAC had and it took them 7 weeks to give him a go which isn’t necessarily bad.

But when he gets selected and also proves he can do it a hell of a lot better than Rankin in round 7 and looking much better in attack, what does our coach do….. he gets him dropped and doesn’t come back until a month later and so on

I’m sorry but no one can justify the way JT selected the side between Rankin and JAC

100% correct Teddy.

Good luck though, some people just wont ever see it that way.

People forget that Rankin was 1st choice kicker at the time

We let Fifita go , every club has horror stories

Look at the Broncos , they let Hunt go ,Arrow go , Wallace go etc and they have the master coach …..

Happy, as much as we all hate the bloke Mitch Moses wasn’t far off from Rankin.

We’re acting like Rankin was Patty Richards…. the bloke was a shocking goal kicker too

Hunt left for a lot more money about 1.2mil
Wallace left by getting paid overs
Arrow is a good example

JAC was signed on low money and we could’ve matched easily, a lot different to Hunt and Wallace situations

 

[NT_Tiger]

From my understanding fox was encouraged by family to sign with Bellamy (he’ll make you a star). At that stage our club was a basket case for a range of reasons….I think he has made the right decision. No point rehashing this....we are a different club.

Coulda Shoulda Woulda will never die on this forum.

 

[happy_tiger]

From my understanding fox was encouraged by family to sign with Bellamy (he’ll make you a star). At that stage our club was a basket case for a range of reasons….I think he has made the right decision. No point rehashing this....we are a different club.

Coulda Shoulda Woulda will never die on this forum.

Larry's right with this one , he was talking on Fox about it , his family convinced him to sign with Melbourne , from the Foxes mouth himself only a few days ago

I don't think JAC would be the footballer he is today without Bellamy's influence (or Smith ,Cronk and Slater :wink: )

Just my opinion

 

[NT_Tiger]

From my understanding fox was encouraged by family to sign with Bellamy (he’ll make you a star). At that stage our club was a basket case for a range of reasons….I think he has made the right decision. No point rehashing this....we are a different club.

Coulda Shoulda Woulda will never die on this forum.

Larry's right with this one , he was talking on Fox about it , his family convinced him to sign with Melbourne , from the Foxes mouth himself only a few days ago

I don't think JAC would be the footballer he is today without Bellamy's influence (or Smith ,Cronk and Slater :wink: )

Just my opinion

I agree. I have no doubt that he made the right decision for his development. I was agreeing with larry's comment about rehashing which we seem to do a lot of.

 

[851]

Blind Freddie could have seen the potential in JAC .He would still be with us if that idiot Taylor had tried to resign him.He was killing it in ISP every week and in FG when given the chance .Thank God Taylors gone I dont know what Easts see in him

I'm not a JT defender, but just so you are aware, JT was head coach when JAC was poached from Sharks NYC. You can't really accuse the bloke of not spotting the potential in a guy he / his team raided from another club.

And just for the broken record, the story goes:
- JT selects Rankin at starting wing Rd 1 2016
- JAC wants a go in firsts, but also in fairness he has just come over from NYC
- JAC gets a run Rd 7, then again Rd 11, i.e. only took him 6 weeks to get a go in FG
- Tigers look to re-sign JAC after a good debut
- Marika Koroibete signs with super rugby 18/May/16
- Unconfirmed: but story says Pascoe made an offer to JAC in May before he went overseas and asked JAC's management to continue negotiations when he returned
- JAC has already entered into discussions with Melbourne May/16 and signs with them 06/Jun/16, i.e. 3 weeks after Storm officially lost Koroibete
- Unconfirmed: Pascoe gets back and gets frustrated with JAC, why he would sign so quickly with Melbourne. JAC has somewhat a change of heart and club and mgmt reach out to Melbourne to mediate. Melbourne offer to release JAC from his deal subject to a payout by Tigers, which is declined.

Pick someone else as the poster-boy for "the guy we let go", because with JAC it is pretty clear Tigers rated the guy enough to poach him from Sharks then start him within a few weeks, but also Storm lost Marika and aggressively targeted his replacement.

Mate at the end of the day the clueless coach that he was picked Rankin (a player who currently will never see NRL football again) over imo the best winger in the game and at the time was the far better option.

No need to look into it…. rankin was picked over Addo-Carr for majority of games. If I was JAC and the best team in the NRL are saying there’s a spot ready for me, over a team who’s picking a player like Rankin over me I’d leave too

JAC will play origin this year.... max next year

While Rankin stinks it up overseas

If we really rated him we would have offered more than one year when we signed him and not played him second fiddle to Rankin.
Bellamy chased him and put him in FG from the get go -along with his supposed deficiencies - and he hasnt looke back since.
You can make all the excuses in the world why it happened but he was in our grasp and we slipped up.

My take on it too

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Mate at the end of the day the clueless coach that he was picked Rankin (a player who currently will never see NRL football again) over imo the best winger in the game and at the time was the far better option.

No need to look into it…. rankin was picked over Addo-Carr for majority of games. If I was JAC and the best team in the NRL are saying there’s a spot ready for me, over a team who’s picking a player like Rankin over me I’d leave too

JAC will play origin this year.... max next year

While Rankin stinks it up overseas

Point I'm making is you didn't know that in Rd 1 2016, you didn't have any guarantee that JAC was going to do anything. Tigers wanted to keep him, but Storm made a strong offer.

Personally I feel a player debuting in Rd 7 of his first season after NYC is a pretty good achievement, not an indicator of an obstinate or clueless coach. I'm no JT fan but you have to approach these things with a bit of common sense. You're also assuming that if JT played JAC every week from Rd 1 that he never would have signed with the Storm, and we just don't (and won't ever) know that.

Rankin had played 17 NRL games and 50 ESL games, and was also being selected for utility value and goal-kicking. No he didn't turn out to be much of a footballer, but in terms of early-season selections, not the worst decision I've ever seen.

JAC was nobody in Rd 1 2016, and yeah he will probably play Origin this year, but that's 2.5 years later after playing with arguably the best coach of all time, in an all-conquering premiership side in 2017.

I’m not going against the idea no one expected him to get picked round 1, the problem was we lacked pace and attacking threat especially with Rankin and everyone on this forum could see the potential JAC had and it took them 7 weeks to give him a go which isn’t necessarily bad.

But when he gets selected and also proves he can do it a hell of a lot better than Rankin in round 7 and looking much better in attack, what does our coach do….. he gets him dropped and doesn’t come back until a month later and so on

I’m sorry but no one can justify the way JT selected the side between Rankin and JAC

100% correct Teddy.

Good luck though, some people just wont ever see it that way.

I recall us being desperate to have a goal kicker. Rankin played in numerous positions in our backline. Not because he was great, but because he could. We had injuries and he fit the bill. He could go pretty much anywhere. I rememver plenty calling for his head, but he was rarely in his preferred position. almost always filling in for someone.

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

Rankin was Wests Tigers version of Tui at the Warriors, a stop gap

If Melbourne or Roosters come knocking for a player they get them 9 times out of 10.

 

[Balmainian]

Point I'm making is you didn't know that in Rd 1 2016, you didn't have any guarantee that JAC was going to do anything. Tigers wanted to keep him, but Storm made a strong offer.

Personally I feel a player debuting in Rd 7 of his first season after NYC is a pretty good achievement, not an indicator of an obstinate or clueless coach. I'm no JT fan but you have to approach these things with a bit of common sense. You're also assuming that if JT played JAC every week from Rd 1 that he never would have signed with the Storm, and we just don't (and won't ever) know that.

Rankin had played 17 NRL games and 50 ESL games, and was also being selected for utility value and goal-kicking. No he didn't turn out to be much of a footballer, but in terms of early-season selections, not the worst decision I've ever seen.

JAC was nobody in Rd 1 2016, and yeah he will probably play Origin this year, but that's 2.5 years later after playing with arguably the best coach of all time, in an all-conquering premiership side in 2017.

I’m not going against the idea no one expected him to get picked round 1, the problem was we lacked pace and attacking threat especially with Rankin and everyone on this forum could see the potential JAC had and it took them 7 weeks to give him a go which isn’t necessarily bad.

But when he gets selected and also proves he can do it a hell of a lot better than Rankin in round 7 and looking much better in attack, what does our coach do….. he gets him dropped and doesn’t come back until a month later and so on

I’m sorry but no one can justify the way JT selected the side between Rankin and JAC

100% correct Teddy.

Good luck though, some people just wont ever see it that way.

People forget that Rankin was 1st choice kicker at the time

We let Fifita go , every club has horror stories

Look at the Broncos , they let Hunt go ,Arrow go , Wallace go etc and they have the master coach …..

So is there any rumour of Addo Carr coming back or is this just irrelevant squabble?

 

[sideline_eye]

Mate at the end of the day the clueless coach that he was picked Rankin (a player who currently will never see NRL football again) over imo the best winger in the game and at the time was the far better option.

No need to look into it…. rankin was picked over Addo-Carr for majority of games. If I was JAC and the best team in the NRL are saying there’s a spot ready for me, over a team who’s picking a player like Rankin over me I’d leave too

JAC will play origin this year.... max next year

While Rankin stinks it up overseas

Point I'm making is you didn't know that in Rd 1 2016, you didn't have any guarantee that JAC was going to do anything. Tigers wanted to keep him, but Storm made a strong offer.

Personally I feel a player debuting in Rd 7 of his first season after NYC is a pretty good achievement, not an indicator of an obstinate or clueless coach. I'm no JT fan but you have to approach these things with a bit of common sense. You're also assuming that if JT played JAC every week from Rd 1 that he never would have signed with the Storm, and we just don't (and won't ever) know that.

Rankin had played 17 NRL games and 50 ESL games, and was also being selected for utility value and goal-kicking. No he didn't turn out to be much of a footballer, but in terms of early-season selections, not the worst decision I've ever seen.

JAC was nobody in Rd 1 2016, and yeah he will probably play Origin this year, but that's 2.5 years later after playing with arguably the best coach of all time, in an all-conquering premiership side in 2017.

I’m not going against the idea no one expected him to get picked round 1, the problem was we lacked pace and attacking threat especially with Rankin and everyone on this forum could see the potential JAC had and it took them 7 weeks to give him a go which isn’t necessarily bad.

But when he gets selected and also proves he can do it a hell of a lot better than Rankin in round 7 and looking much better in attack, what does our coach do….. he gets him dropped and doesn’t come back until a month later and so on

I’m sorry but no one can justify the way JT selected the side between Rankin and JAC

100% correct Teddy.

Good luck though, some people just wont ever see it that way.

The points that Jirskyr is making are 100% valid. Rankin was chosen for a couple of reasons; firstly he was the only goal kicker we had and secondly he was able to do a job at hooker if needed.

AS far as JAC was concerned, he came to us as an NYC player but was given a go in NRL the same year. What he showed was that he was a very poor defender but a very quick winger, so his NRL appearances were not all that regular but at least he knew he was in with a chance at NRL every week. He was treated remarkably well for a kid just out of NYC and must have known that he was valued by the club.

Not withstanding everything above, his leaving had nothing to do with the coach but everything to do with reneging on an agreement to continue negotiations about his future after Pascoe returned.

 

[happy_tiger]

I’m not going against the idea no one expected him to get picked round 1, the problem was we lacked pace and attacking threat especially with Rankin and everyone on this forum could see the potential JAC had and it took them 7 weeks to give him a go which isn’t necessarily bad.

But when he gets selected and also proves he can do it a hell of a lot better than Rankin in round 7 and looking much better in attack, what does our coach do….. he gets him dropped and doesn’t come back until a month later and so on

I’m sorry but no one can justify the way JT selected the side between Rankin and JAC

100% correct Teddy.

Good luck though, some people just wont ever see it that way.

People forget that Rankin was 1st choice kicker at the time

We let Fifita go , every club has horror stories

Look at the Broncos , they let Hunt go ,Arrow go , Wallace go etc and they have the master coach …..

So is there any rumour of Addo Carr coming back or is this just irrelevant squabble?

Just crapping on , more chance of Whispering Jack Farnham retiring once and for all than JAC returning

 

[AL The Tiger]

Rankin was Wests Tigers version of Tui at the Warriors, a stop gap

If Melbourne or Roosters come knocking for a player they get them 9 times out of 10.

Tui has somewhat of a talented ability. Rankin never did.

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

Rankin was Wests Tigers version of Tui at the Warriors, a stop gap

If Melbourne or Roosters come knocking for a player they get them 9 times out of 10.

Tui has somewhat of a talented ability. Rankin never did.

You right but he was the warriors whiping boy

 

[teddy23]

Point I'm making is you didn't know that in Rd 1 2016, you didn't have any guarantee that JAC was going to do anything. Tigers wanted to keep him, but Storm made a strong offer.

Personally I feel a player debuting in Rd 7 of his first season after NYC is a pretty good achievement, not an indicator of an obstinate or clueless coach. I'm no JT fan but you have to approach these things with a bit of common sense. You're also assuming that if JT played JAC every week from Rd 1 that he never would have signed with the Storm, and we just don't (and won't ever) know that.

Rankin had played 17 NRL games and 50 ESL games, and was also being selected for utility value and goal-kicking. No he didn't turn out to be much of a footballer, but in terms of early-season selections, not the worst decision I've ever seen.

JAC was nobody in Rd 1 2016, and yeah he will probably play Origin this year, but that's 2.5 years later after playing with arguably the best coach of all time, in an all-conquering premiership side in 2017.

I’m not going against the idea no one expected him to get picked round 1, the problem was we lacked pace and attacking threat especially with Rankin and everyone on this forum could see the potential JAC had and it took them 7 weeks to give him a go which isn’t necessarily bad.

But when he gets selected and also proves he can do it a hell of a lot better than Rankin in round 7 and looking much better in attack, what does our coach do….. he gets him dropped and doesn’t come back until a month later and so on

I’m sorry but no one can justify the way JT selected the side between Rankin and JAC

100% correct Teddy.

Good luck though, some people just wont ever see it that way.

The points that Jirskyr is making are 100% valid. Rankin was chosen for a couple of reasons; firstly he was the only goal kicker we had and secondly he was able to do a job at hooker if needed.

AS far as JAC was concerned, he came to us as an NYC player but was given a go in NRL the same year. What he showed was that he was a very poor defender but a very quick winger, so his NRL appearances were not all that regular but at least he knew he was in with a chance at NRL every week. He was treated remarkably well for a kid just out of NYC and must have known that he was valued by the club.

Not withstanding everything above, his leaving had nothing to do with the coach but everything to do with reneging on an agreement to continue negotiations about his future after Pascoe returned.

I think we had far better options to cover hooker, we had ET among the ranks too and the option for Moses to goalkick.

Rankin wasn’t needed and it was very clear

JAC wasn’t necessarily a bad defender that’s just a go to excuse for a winger…..

I don’t really care where he came from regardless of if he came from the 20s or under 10s, he was a better option at wing and that’s what we should be looking at come selection who’s the best player we have for each particular position.

Can anyone argue the fact Rankin was a better option than JAC in terms of ability?

I’m not saying this is the reason he left and I don’t think anyone is really, but the fact he wasn’t getting selected was why it left us all as fans quite disappointed.

 

[Geo]

Why did the Bulldogs let Thurston go..

Happens all the time…but keep sookly la la ing...carry on..

 

[TYGA]

JAC and Koro were two of the most bone headed decisions ever. They were bordering on stars with us the nonsense they improved to the extent some are portraying is false. Yes JAC looks better on the end of a Melbourne backline but the falsehood put out that it’s all Bellamy is nonsense.

 

[teddy23]

Why did the Bulldogs let Thurston go..

Happens all the time…but keep sookly la la ing...carry on..

Don’t think anyone’s “sookly la Laing”

More just reflecting lol

 

[Russell]

Blind Freddie could have seen the potential in JAC .He would still be with us if that idiot Taylor had tried to resign him.He was killing it in ISP every week and in FG when given the chance .Thank God Taylors gone I dont know what Easts see in him

How many times do people need to be told.

Pascoe said "wait two weeks till I come back from leave and we'll organise the contract".

He didn't wait and signed with Melbourne, then he tried to get out of it but the cooling off period had expired.

Blame that "Idiot Taylor", (as you call him) all you like but he didn't have anything to do with it.

Hopefull what went down hasn't got to be explained for the 100th. time.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

WIth Twal, McIntyre, Smith and Brooks' latest contract the club's recruitment is smarter as is its retention, The rumoured signings of the young fellows from Penrith and Newcastle reaffirm that we are smarter in this area. We have a good base not only to build a new club on but also to attract the best talent.

 

[The_Patriot]

Point I'm making is you didn't know that in Rd 1 2016, you didn't have any guarantee that JAC was going to do anything. Tigers wanted to keep him, but Storm made a strong offer.

Personally I feel a player debuting in Rd 7 of his first season after NYC is a pretty good achievement, not an indicator of an obstinate or clueless coach. I'm no JT fan but you have to approach these things with a bit of common sense. You're also assuming that if JT played JAC every week from Rd 1 that he never would have signed with the Storm, and we just don't (and won't ever) know that.

Rankin had played 17 NRL games and 50 ESL games, and was also being selected for utility value and goal-kicking. No he didn't turn out to be much of a footballer, but in terms of early-season selections, not the worst decision I've ever seen.

JAC was nobody in Rd 1 2016, and yeah he will probably play Origin this year, but that's 2.5 years later after playing with arguably the best coach of all time, in an all-conquering premiership side in 2017.

I’m not going against the idea no one expected him to get picked round 1, the problem was we lacked pace and attacking threat especially with Rankin and everyone on this forum could see the potential JAC had and it took them 7 weeks to give him a go which isn’t necessarily bad.

But when he gets selected and also proves he can do it a hell of a lot better than Rankin in round 7 and looking much better in attack, what does our coach do….. he gets him dropped and doesn’t come back until a month later and so on

I’m sorry but no one can justify the way JT selected the side between Rankin and JAC

100% correct Teddy.

Good luck though, some people just wont ever see it that way.

The points that Jirskyr is making are 100% valid. Rankin was chosen for a couple of reasons; firstly he was the only goal kicker we had and secondly he was able to do a job at hooker if needed.

AS far as JAC was concerned, he came to us as an NYC player but was given a go in NRL the same year. What he showed was that he was a very poor defender but a very quick winger, so his NRL appearances were not all that regular but at least he knew he was in with a chance at NRL every week. He was treated remarkably well for a kid just out of NYC and must have known that he was valued by the club.

Not withstanding everything above, his leaving had nothing to do with the coach but everything to do with reneging on an agreement to continue negotiations about his future after Pascoe returned.

Wow,

I dont even know where to start.

I pass.

 

[The_Patriot]

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