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>Sydney Roosters great Anthony Minichiello has urged star centre Latrell Mitchell to look beyond the bottom line when it comes to his next contract, saying the tri-colours are a "family club too" as rivals prepare their sales pitches.

>The NSW and Australian three-quarter will be the hottest off-contract player in the game after his Roosters deal expires in 2020, with South Sydney among those tipped to be in the running for his services as they search for a replacement for the retired Greg Inglis.

>Minichiello expects the Rabbitohs will have company in trying to lure Mitchell away from the Roosters, although his predicted price tag of close to $1m per season could rule out a host of potential suitors.

>He may not be the best player in the NRL just yet but he's one of its in-form stars has only seemed to lift his game as the hype around his performances continues to increase.

>"[The hype] been around for a couple of weeks now ... his form seems to get better," Minichiello said as he helped promote Magic Round in Brisbane. "As a player, you can't really dwell on your own form too much because there is often a bit of a fall on the horizon.

>"The players are all just trying to improve their own game and aren't too worried about scorelines."

>Speaking of scorelines, Mitchell contributed 26 points on his own against the Wests Tigers amid growing speculation that a move to South Sydney was a growing possibility.

>Mitchell deflected queries when interviewed on television after the game, while his coach Trent Robinson was just as quick to shut down the line of questioning after the match.

>The Rabbitohs have a strong Indigenous heritage, which is something the club could use as part of a package if they were to try and poach Mitchell from their great rivals. Inglis was a giant at Redfern and some believe Mitchell would be an ideal fit.

>Minichiello acknowledged that but insisted the Roosters were a supportive, family environment where Mitchell was content and playing superb rugby league.

>"He's the only one that can make that decision. There is obviously plenty of talk around South Sydney because they have got a huge representation of his community. He's a very proud Aboriginal man which we love," Minichiello said.

>"For us behind the closed doors of the Roosters, it is a family club. Not many people know about that. He's happy there.

>"It just depends on what clubs are vying for him. A lot of them will be. For me, it was never so much about the money when I was coming through. It was about being in a winning culture, one that sets high standards and wants to challenge for a premiership each year."

>Minichiello always gave a strong endorsement for Roosters five-eighth Luke Keary to make his State of Origin debut for NSW this year, saying he was confident and in-form and was a must for Brad Fittler's outfit.

>"He has to be in the squad. You have to pick guys that are playing with confidence for that type of arena. You can't pick players down on form or it will show up in that arena. He has to be there somewhere."
 
Sharks hooker prepared to 'swim' elsewhere
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Margie McDonald
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Thu 9 May 2019, 06:01 AM
Margie McDonald

Cronulla hooker Jayden Brailey admits his time at the Sharks might be drawing to a close and he will consider any offers that come his way after November 1.

The 23-year-old is into his third year of NRL and loving it. But this year he has shared the No.9 role with his younger brother Blayke.

The siblings are very supportive of each other but in April the Sharks signed Blayke, who turns 21 in September, to a three-year extension up until 2022.


Jayden is off contract in 2020 but free to talk to other clubs at season's end – and there are quite a few looking for hookers including Newcastle, the Bulldogs, Wests Tigers (if Robbie Farah retires), possibly Penrith and the Cowboys.

"I've signed until the end of next year but if something was to come my way, I'm going to have a look at it because I obviously want to forge my career and my future," Jayden told NRL.com.

"Blayke has signed long-term contract now. And I'm one hundred per cent happy for him."


But it wasn't an easy conversation between the brothers, who still live at home.

"I think he felt a bit awkward about it. It was bittersweet for him," Jayden said.

"I said to him 'Don't worry about me'. I didn't want to have to live with him having to sign somewhere else because I was here first. It doesn't work like that.

"I said if the opportunity was there and it's one he wanted then take it. Don't not sign because I got my NRL start before you. And that's what he's done and I couldn't be happier for him.

"So of course I would also look at anything that came my way. But first my focus is on 2019 and we'll see what comes after that."

The interchange between the pair has been smooth swimming for the Sharks so far.

"It's working really well. When I get a bit tired Blayke can come on and take advantage of that slower ruck. I enjoy the tough, gritty stuff at the start of the game."


And like halves set aside some time each week to discuss the upcoming opposition, the Brailey brothers brainstorm regularly.

"Blayke and I talk about controlling the ruck better and how to work the middles around us. We connect up with the halves as well during the week. But we hookers have to be switched on with the game plan so Blayke and I talk about our game a lot – even at home.

"We relate and bounce off each other well and both give good feedback. So it's pretty cool to have that."

Jayden has known this moment was coming for some time.

"I've prepared for it – for sharing my role with Blayke - and now it's here. I still would love to be playing 80 minutes and that might happen in the years to come.

"But it's working well as a partnership and it's what the team needs at the moment."

Halfback Chad Townsend is one beneficiary of having two hookers at his disposal.

"The last two seasons I've had Jayden obviously and I've formed a good combination with him," Townsend told NRL.com.

"I'm eight games in with Blayke and while we're still building that combination he's a very good player, very solid, like his brother.

"The passes come straight and accurate from both of them. They are both very tough defenders and very skilful.

"I'm equally comfortable with them."
 
Last thought - why do Rabbitohs get auto buy-in on every Indigenous player on the market?

Fine they are based out of Redfern, but most of the prominent Indigenous players in rugby league history never went anywhere near South Sydney. And, Redfern is far far more non-indigenous than it used to be, it's like trying to claim that Balmain is still full of wharfies.

OK Inglis played for Souths but ultimately was more a Storm product than anything Souths can claim, but sure. Clearly Eric Simms is the most prominent all-Souths all-native player.

Then:
Dale Shearer - every club under the sun but not Souths
George Green (reputed to be first Indigenous first grade player) - Easts, Bears
Chicka Ferguson - Jets, Roosters, Raiders
Thurston - Dogs and Cowgirls
Artie Beetson - Balmain, Easts, Parra
Mal Cochrane - Manly
Slammin' Sam Backo - Raiders
Renouf - Broncos
Ben Barba - Dogs, Broncs, Sharks
Blacklock - Roosters, Dragons
Matt Bowen - Cowboys
Preston - Gold Coast, Sharks, Panthers, Titans
Steve Ella - Parra
Blake Fergo - Sharks, Raiders, Roosters, Eels
Justin Hodges - Broncos and Roosters
Cliffy Lyons - Bears and Manly
McGuinness bros - Tigers and Magpies
Ewen McGrady - Dogs and Magpies
"The Man" - Dragons and Broncos
Kenny Nagas - Raiders
David Peachey - Sharks and yeah 2 seasons w Souths
Famous Amos Roberts - Drags, Panthers, Roosters
Rocket Rod Silva - Easts, Dogs
Matt Sing - Panthers, Roosters, Cowboys
Sam Thaiday - Broncos
Andrew Walkabout Walker - Dragons, Roosters, Manly
Larry Corowa - Balmain, Seagulls
Owen Craigie - Newcastle product out of Nth NSW, but he did play 3 seasons at Souths out of his 11 year career
Andrew Fifita - Tigers and Sharks
Paul Davis - Balmain
Laurie Daley - Raiders
Tony Currie - Dogs, Broncos
Scott Prince - Cowboys, Broncs, Tigers, Titans
Jesse Ramien - Sharks, Knights
Craig Salvatori - 10 years at Easts, 1 year at Souths
Daniel Wagon - Drags, Eels
Ash Taylor - Broncos, Titans
Tallis - Dragons, Broncos
Tahu - Knights, Eels, Panthers
Idris - Dogs, Titans, Panthers, Tigers
Rhys Wesser - 3 years Souths but 11 years Panthers first

All the others from Souths are bit players? Grevsmuhl, Buddy Gordon. Wes Pattern was there 1 year of his 8 year career. Beau Champion, Dylan Farrell, Hegarty, Gagai, Kevin Longbottom, Tricky Trindall, Graham Lyons, Dean Widders. And most of those guys played only fractions of their careers at Souths.

Only 2 of the 2008 Indigenous Team of the Century ever played for Souths and only 1 of them debuted for Souths.

Now look at that list and tell me that basically every club has some significant claim to Indigenous heritage, even Balmain/Wests/WT.

And frankly, I hate Roosters but they have a very significant Indigenous history. Artie Beetson is the all-time great and Easts graded the first ever indigenous footballer in George Green 1909 - that's 1 year after rugby league started and 53 years before they nationally gave Aborigines the vote.
 
@Geo said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010426) said:
Mini pitched the same thing to Tedesco...worked..

Family club is a good pitch. So is a million dollary-doos and a few brown paper bags.
 
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010422) said:
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010395) said:
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010371) said:
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010333) said:
@WT2K said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010331) said:
@Curly_Tiger that's depressing to read. Cheers to Ivan and whoever else was involved with making these decisions.

Our wonderful, salary cap novice of a CEO was here for all of it. He even appointed his mate as coach.
But he seems to avoid criticism.

Ace well done that's the full set, now everyone's being criticised for 50% win record Rd 8. Players all have to be dropped, coach should be doing that dropping, captain hasn't got enough heart, CEO is a novice and we play at the wrong grounds.

All we need to do is wait for Fatty O'Barrell to make a gaffe and we can put the new Chair in there too.

I believe this thread is about player signings and suggestions. You don't think the CEO has anything to do with that?

No actually I don't believe he has much to do with it at all, except signing on dotted lines.

Head Coach, General Manager of Football Operations and Recruitment Manager are the primary 3 responsible for signings. As I understand it, the value and details of the contracts go through CEO governance process / legal diligence and then the Board ratifies the deals.

Someone with more inside knowledge can confirm more precisely, but criticising the CEO for recruitment is like criticising the lawyer - he's just doing due diligence, not picking and negotiating with players.

CEO's primary role is business - increasing the scope and value of the organisation's operations.

How about the salary cap? He's in charge of that isn't he? And we have salary cap penalties because of him now. You don't think that effects the roster?
 
Asked Brent Read about George Burgess

https://twitter.com/brentread_7/status/1126319406269616140?s=19
 
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010451) said:
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010422) said:
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010395) said:
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010371) said:
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010333) said:
@WT2K said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010331) said:
@Curly_Tiger that's depressing to read. Cheers to Ivan and whoever else was involved with making these decisions.

Our wonderful, salary cap novice of a CEO was here for all of it. He even appointed his mate as coach.
But he seems to avoid criticism.

Ace well done that's the full set, now everyone's being criticised for 50% win record Rd 8. Players all have to be dropped, coach should be doing that dropping, captain hasn't got enough heart, CEO is a novice and we play at the wrong grounds.

All we need to do is wait for Fatty O'Barrell to make a gaffe and we can put the new Chair in there too.

I believe this thread is about player signings and suggestions. You don't think the CEO has anything to do with that?

No actually I don't believe he has much to do with it at all, except signing on dotted lines.

Head Coach, General Manager of Football Operations and Recruitment Manager are the primary 3 responsible for signings. As I understand it, the value and details of the contracts go through CEO governance process / legal diligence and then the Board ratifies the deals.

Someone with more inside knowledge can confirm more precisely, but criticising the CEO for recruitment is like criticising the lawyer - he's just doing due diligence, not picking and negotiating with players.

CEO's primary role is business - increasing the scope and value of the organisation's operations.

How about the salary cap? He's in charge of that isn't he? And we have salary cap penalties because of him now. You don't think that effects the roster?

Well now you are getting technical.

You first linked the CEO with player signings and suggestions. I am fairly confident the CEO isn't involved in initiating or negotiating signings and suggestions, not until it's time to sign contracts and ensure legal diligence.

Is the CEO in charge of the salary cap? Not entirely, but he is responsible for overall expenditure and salary cap should fall into that category. It is probably the CEO's responsibility to ensure the total value of salaries at the organisation meet regulations (salary cap) and affordability (staff and players). But he doesn't create or shuffle the roster and salaries, he just signs off on total value.

So basically all the recruitment staff come to the CEO and say "we want this combination of players at this value, please review and sign off". And as such, CEO is liable for salary cap breaches.

But that's the *value* of the roster, not the *content* of the roster. CEO is responsible for the $$$ being signed off, not who the players are and how they are distributed.

In other words, Pascoe is being penalised because he signed off a deal which implied a guarantee to Robbie Farah that was not counted in the cap. He is not being penalised because it was specifically Robbie Farah the person, nor because of Robbie Farah's on-field performance or the amount of cap space Farah took up compared with other footballers.

And at another technical level, of course, the CEO is responsible for the overall delivery and success of an organisation and a signifcant part of that success in sports is delivered by results of matches. But please point out to me how many CEOs in the NRL get sacked because the team doesn't win enough matches? It's always the coach who falls on his sword there.

And then CEO reports to the Board, so ultimately the final guillotine falls on the board. So you might as well finger all of them too if we are going all the way to the top.

And if I'm not mistaken, the Board rubber-stamps the Head Coach, not the CEO.
 
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010457) said:
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010451) said:
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010422) said:
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010395) said:
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010371) said:
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010333) said:
@WT2K said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010331) said:
@Curly_Tiger that's depressing to read. Cheers to Ivan and whoever else was involved with making these decisions.

Our wonderful, salary cap novice of a CEO was here for all of it. He even appointed his mate as coach.
But he seems to avoid criticism.

Ace well done that's the full set, now everyone's being criticised for 50% win record Rd 8. Players all have to be dropped, coach should be doing that dropping, captain hasn't got enough heart, CEO is a novice and we play at the wrong grounds.

All we need to do is wait for Fatty O'Barrell to make a gaffe and we can put the new Chair in there too.

I believe this thread is about player signings and suggestions. You don't think the CEO has anything to do with that?

No actually I don't believe he has much to do with it at all, except signing on dotted lines.

Head Coach, General Manager of Football Operations and Recruitment Manager are the primary 3 responsible for signings. As I understand it, the value and details of the contracts go through CEO governance process / legal diligence and then the Board ratifies the deals.

Someone with more inside knowledge can confirm more precisely, but criticising the CEO for recruitment is like criticising the lawyer - he's just doing due diligence, not picking and negotiating with players.

CEO's primary role is business - increasing the scope and value of the organisation's operations.

How about the salary cap? He's in charge of that isn't he? And we have salary cap penalties because of him now. You don't think that effects the roster?

Well now you are getting technical.

You first linked the CEO with player signings and suggestions. I am fairly confident the CEO isn't involved in initiating or negotiating signings and suggestions, not until it's time to sign contracts and ensure legal diligence.

Is the CEO in charge of the salary cap? Not entirely, but he is responsible for overall expenditure and salary cap should fall into that category. It is probably the CEO's responsibility to ensure the total value of salaries at the organisation meet regulations (salary cap) and affordability (staff and players). But he doesn't create or shuffle the roster and salaries, he just signs off on total value.

So basically all the recruitment staff come to the CEO and say "we want this combination of players at this value, please review and sign off". And as such, CEO is liable for salary cap breaches.

But that's the *value* of the roster, not the *content* of the roster. CEO is responsible for the $$$ being signed off, not who the players are and how they are distributed.

In other words, Pascoe is being penalised because he signed off a deal which implied a guarantee to Robbie Farah that was not counted in the cap. He is not being penalised because it was specifically Robbie Farah the person, nor because of Robbie Farah's on-field performance or the amount of cap space Farah took up compared with other footballers.

And at another technical level, of course, the CEO is responsible for the overall delivery and success of an organisation and a signifcant part of that success in sports is delivered by results of matches. But please point out to me how many CEOs in the NRL get sacked because the team doesn't win enough matches? It's always the coach who falls on his sword there.

And then CEO reports to the Board, so ultimately the final guillotine falls on the board. So you might as well finger all of them too if we are going all the way to the top.

And if I'm not mistaken, the Board rubber-stamps the Head Coach, not the CEO.

A CEO is responsible for the improvement of all aspects of the organisation . In 4 years our roster is still bog average but he is immune from any sort of criticism.
I find that baffling.
 
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010422) said:
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010395) said:
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010371) said:
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010333) said:
@WT2K said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010331) said:
@Curly_Tiger that's depressing to read. Cheers to Ivan and whoever else was involved with making these decisions.

Our wonderful, salary cap novice of a CEO was here for all of it. He even appointed his mate as coach.
But he seems to avoid criticism.

Ace well done that's the full set, now everyone's being criticised for 50% win record Rd 8. Players all have to be dropped, coach should be doing that dropping, captain hasn't got enough heart, CEO is a novice and we play at the wrong grounds.

All we need to do is wait for Fatty O'Barrell to make a gaffe and we can put the new Chair in there too.

I believe this thread is about player signings and suggestions. You don't think the CEO has anything to do with that?

No actually I don't believe he has much to do with it at all, except signing on dotted lines.

Head Coach, General Manager of Football Operations and Recruitment Manager are the primary 3 responsible for signings. As I understand it, the value and details of the contracts go through CEO governance process / legal diligence and then the Board ratifies the deals.

Someone with more inside knowledge can confirm more precisely, but criticising the CEO for recruitment is like criticising the lawyer - he's just doing due diligence, not picking and negotiating with players.

CEO's primary role is business - increasing the scope and value of the organisation's operations.


Very good points Jir!
 
For me I think the CEO has done a excellent job over the last 3 years.. Our Club was a rubble and losing money and leaks coming out daily. Now we have turned around and making money, Memberships up, Building for the future with training facilities etc... All this with a so call very average squad and turmoil with players / coaches coming and going..
I for one hope this continues and we can start buying some decent players moving forward - In the past if i was a player and i had an offer with Tigers or someone else i would sign elsewhere as well considering we have numerous home grounds, out of date facilities, not made the finals in years , heaps of coaches etc..

We have some really decent players that all clubs need and can build around - Matterson, Brooks, Lawrence, Twal, etc..
We just lack a few top line players in our team for us to take the next step. Fingers crossed Madge can bring some
 
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010479) said:
For me I think the CEO has done a excellent job over the last 3 years.. Our Club was a rubble and losing money and leaks coming out daily. Now we have turned around and making money, Memberships up, Building for the future with training facilities etc... All this with a so call very average squad and turmoil with players / coaches coming and going..
I for one hope this continues and we can start buying some decent players moving forward - In the past if i was a player and i had an offer with Tigers or someone else i would sign elsewhere as well considering we have numerous home grounds, out of date facilities, not made the finals in years , heaps of coaches etc..

We have some really decent players that all clubs need and can build around - Matterson, Brooks, Lawrence, Twal, etc..
We just lack a few top line players in our team for us to take the next step. Fingers crossed Madge can bring some

At last a positive post!
 
Why does everyone want to come to Sydney and when they do, they go to Roosters or Rabs??!!??!! Like....SERIOUSLY???????????!!!!!!!!
 
@tigertye said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010558) said:
How underrated is Chad Townsend? So cool under pressure. He’d be a great foil for Brooks.


Yep a complete footballer! Great player.
 
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010333) said:
@WT2K said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1010331) said:
@Curly_Tiger that's depressing to read. Cheers to Ivan and whoever else was involved with making these decisions.

Our wonderful, salary cap novice of a CEO was here for all of it. He even appointed his mate as coach.
But he seems to avoid criticism.

I dont hold Cleary solely responsible for the mess we are in ....when a players like lytrell, ponga, taumololo come along you sign them for as long as you can, the fact pascoe was party to signing duds like Packer,Reynolds matulino mbye, and Brooks to long term deals was both amateurish and irresponsible
 
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