Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[marzie]

Souths should have 360k taken out of their cap for the next 10 years. That's if they don't want a million a year for the next few years

I thought if you were medically retired the player got his money per year as per contract and the money no longer counted in the salary cap

So why than does Burgess have to work 10 years in the office to get his money?

Am I missing something?

I don't think you can exclude money from the cap if it can be proved that the injury was pre-existing. Ie Souths signed him to a new deal with knowledge of the injury

 

[TheDaBoss]

I saw Zane Musgrove doing the sand hill at Palm Beach this morning. He hasn’t wasted his time off...he’s a monster. Fingers crossed...

My legs hurt thinking of that

 

[happy_tiger]

Buzz reckons NRL are set to approve a 10 year Burgess payout for Souths in adminastration role "The NRL is expected to approve his medical retirement by the end of the week. Outside of the new job at Souths, Burgess also recently signed a new commentary deal at Fox Sports". They're saying the end of the week now? It seems like they've fast-tracked it all if Buzz is on the money here. It would be crazy if it got approved so quickly after Greenberg said in the new year. Wouldn't be surprised if the timing was by design

I thought this was a joke when originally posted. Just rubbish by Buzz. But now I see a story on Fox about the same, and think it might be happening.

This game is so corrupt, so fixed. Some teams are definitely favoured higher than others. Absolute rubbish that this "post career" admin job, paying $360k a year for 10 years, with the total happening to equal the contract he signed last year, wasn't sorted before he agreed to retire. Obviously it's too offset the retirement, to pay him outside of the cap. If it was a for real rmedical retirement, why do they have to sort any deal? And it is obviously used to convince him to retire, which is a bigger breach than we were pinged for.

Fuming, so much so that I had to edit this post to take out a few words.

If this is true the 15 clubs should sue the NRL , the Drs have said he would be fine in 18 months time (well start of 2021 season )

 

[The-moP]

I saw Zane Musgrove doing the sand hill at Palm Beach this morning. He hasn’t wasted his time off...he’s a monster. Fingers crossed...

In his time wiff Souffs .. he was a large human .. but played like a marsh-mellow .. here's hoping in his time off he has swallowed a few teaspoons of those harden the "F" up pills, as we need some mongrel up front this year.

 

[851]

Buzz reckons NRL are set to approve a 10 year Burgess payout for Souths in adminastration role "The NRL is expected to approve his medical retirement by the end of the week. Outside of the new job at Souths, Burgess also recently signed a new commentary deal at Fox Sports". They're saying the end of the week now? It seems like they've fast-tracked it all if Buzz is on the money here. It would be crazy if it got approved so quickly after Greenberg said in the new year. Wouldn't be surprised if the timing was by design

I thought this was a joke when originally posted. Just rubbish by Buzz. But now I see a story on Fox about the same, and think it might be happening.

This game is so corrupt, so fixed. Some teams are definitely favoured higher than others. Absolute rubbish that this "post career" admin job, paying $360k a year for 10 years, with the total happening to equal the contract he signed last year, wasn't sorted before he agreed to retire. Obviously it's too offset the retirement, to pay him outside of the cap. If it was a for real rmedical retirement, why do they have to sort any deal? And it is obviously used to convince him to retire, which is a bigger breach than we were pinged for.

Fuming, so much so that I had to edit this post to take out a few words.

If this is true the 15 clubs should sue the NRL , the Drs have said he would be fine in 18 months time (well start of 2021 season )

Well at least the WestsTigers should sue the NRL, because they bent us over with the Farah ordeal, if they let this slide after the Inglis one last year, 100% take legal action

 

[happy_tiger]

Buzz reckons NRL are set to approve a 10 year Burgess payout for Souths in adminastration role "The NRL is expected to approve his medical retirement by the end of the week. Outside of the new job at Souths, Burgess also recently signed a new commentary deal at Fox Sports". They're saying the end of the week now? It seems like they've fast-tracked it all if Buzz is on the money here. It would be crazy if it got approved so quickly after Greenberg said in the new year. Wouldn't be surprised if the timing was by design

I thought this was a joke when originally posted. Just rubbish by Buzz. But now I see a story on Fox about the same, and think it might be happening.

This game is so corrupt, so fixed. Some teams are definitely favoured higher than others. Absolute rubbish that this "post career" admin job, paying $360k a year for 10 years, with the total happening to equal the contract he signed last year, wasn't sorted before he agreed to retire. Obviously it's too offset the retirement, to pay him outside of the cap. If it was a for real rmedical retirement, why do they have to sort any deal? And it is obviously used to convince him to retire, which is a bigger breach than we were pinged for.

Fuming, so much so that I had to edit this post to take out a few words.

If this is true the 15 clubs should sue the NRL , the Drs have said he would be fine in 18 months time (well start of 2021 season )

Well at least the WestsTigers should sue the NRL, because they bent us over with the Farah ordeal, if they let this slide after the Inglis one last year, 100% take legal action

Funnily enough I agreed with the GI situation ...this is different he can make it back ...just has a extremely long recovery period

 

[balmain boy]

Souths should have 360k taken out of their cap for the next 10 years. That's if they don't want a million a year for the next few years

I thought if you were medically retired the player got his money per year as per contract and the money no longer counted in the salary cap

So why than does Burgess have to work 10 years in the office to get his money?

Am I missing something?

Yes, though it is all a massive grey area.

You can be medically retired by the insurance company, or the NRL itself. If Insurance covers a player's wage by medical retirement then the club doesn't have to pay it out, and it gets excluded in the cap.

I've recently learnt that the Chief Medical Officer of the NRL can also retire players, but the club still has to pay their contracts in full, unless insurance declares him unfit to return etc. It's not 100% clear what happens with salary when the NRL 'medically retires' a player, the NRL seems to be able to negotiate terms to a degree. But given the rumour of Souths offering him a 10 year deal worth 3.6 million in an off field role this is their way of ensuring he gets paid in full, via a revised payment plan of sorts. It is his playing contract they're paying him and thus they spread it out to soften the blow.

 

[851]

Buzz reckons NRL are set to approve a 10 year Burgess payout for Souths in adminastration role "The NRL is expected to approve his medical retirement by the end of the week. Outside of the new job at Souths, Burgess also recently signed a new commentary deal at Fox Sports". They're saying the end of the week now? It seems like they've fast-tracked it all if Buzz is on the money here. It would be crazy if it got approved so quickly after Greenberg said in the new year. Wouldn't be surprised if the timing was by design

I thought this was a joke when originally posted. Just rubbish by Buzz. But now I see a story on Fox about the same, and think it might be happening.

This game is so corrupt, so fixed. Some teams are definitely favoured higher than others. Absolute rubbish that this "post career" admin job, paying $360k a year for 10 years, with the total happening to equal the contract he signed last year, wasn't sorted before he agreed to retire. Obviously it's too offset the retirement, to pay him outside of the cap. If it was a for real rmedical retirement, why do they have to sort any deal? And it is obviously used to convince him to retire, which is a bigger breach than we were pinged for.

Fuming, so much so that I had to edit this post to take out a few words.

If this is true the 15 clubs should sue the NRL , the Drs have said he would be fine in 18 months time (well start of 2021 season )

Well at least the WestsTigers should sue the NRL, because they bent us over with the Farah ordeal, if they let this slide after the Inglis one last year, 100% take legal action

Funnily enough I agreed with the GI situation ...this is different he can make it back ...just has a extremely long recovery period

So does Foran, but he is coming back, souths pushed Sam out, no risk

 

[Jimmy]

Geo thought we had him

http://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby-league/in-demand-arrow-heading-to-souths-report/ar-BBXI4xb?ocid=ientp

I think he is a bad buy for souths, Arrow is a lock, and they have Murray, Luciano Leilua would have been a better pick for them to replace Sutton, I don't think Arrow will excel on an edge, but it's souths, the NRL will make it work for them

Goes alright at prop too

 

[2005magic]

If any such thing happened and we did have extra funds within cap I'd pay out McQueen or Packer and use the remaining funds to get a young up and comer.


Why ? The forwards , especially the front row has no leader ! Just sit in Packer . He had a bad year . He was good last year and the years before .
McQueen’s in his last year so , who cares . How much are you gonna save 150k maybe ? How’s that worth it ?

Packer is on his last chance- if injured fair enough, if sulking- p*** him off. Send signal WT is not a retirement home. Yes, payout would have to be negotiated (also with McQueen too) but we would have some ground for reduced payout if proven he is sulking. McQueen has openly had an offer tabled from ESL for this season onwards- hopefully he can take up the offer and see a few more years out in England. I;m pretty sure no NRL club will offer new contract for him.

Perception- we wonder why big name players and managers regard WT as not a serious club. Bad player performance and attitude not acceptable in the big boy clubs.. Those guys are rapidly weeded out elsewhere- contract or no contract.


?? You’re already paying him though ! Lol Some of you guys just live in fairy land . Treat it like it’s fantasy football.
There’s no middle leader at the moment . And there’s no way to get anything close to value by moving him on . The only way is to retain his services and hope the rocket has been put up him .

More than anything I reckon this, and other differing examples, show that the rules on medical retirement are hopelessly out of date and need to be urgently updated to reflect all the recent attempts at its usage by the clubs. Some successful, others not, or seemingly not at this stage before next season starts and a new lot of potential career ending injuries occur.

It cant go on, with each case determined on its merits as presented and then negotiated with insurance. Has to be a lot more rigour and demonstrable 'hooks' that either permit / deny acceptance. I think the big problem being exposed is the signing of older players on big value, long term contracts then going down with long term injuries. Its always then a coin toss on how to separate preexisting injuries against the actual career ending or long term injury- we got lucky with Matulino bout wouldnt have been surprised if we didnt.

 

[larry2005]

Buzz reckons NRL are set to approve a 10 year Burgess payout for Souths in adminastration role "The NRL is expected to approve his medical retirement by the end of the week. Outside of the new job at Souths, Burgess also recently signed a new commentary deal at Fox Sports". They're saying the end of the week now? It seems like they've fast-tracked it all if Buzz is on the money here. It would be crazy if it got approved so quickly after Greenberg said in the new year. Wouldn't be surprised if the timing was by design

I thought this was a joke when originally posted. Just rubbish by Buzz. But now I see a story on Fox about the same, and think it might be happening.

This game is so corrupt, so fixed. Some teams are definitely favoured higher than others. Absolute rubbish that this "post career" admin job, paying $360k a year for 10 years, with the total happening to equal the contract he signed last year, wasn't sorted before he agreed to retire. Obviously it's too offset the retirement, to pay him outside of the cap. If it was a for real rmedical retirement, why do they have to sort any deal? And it is obviously used to convince him to retire, which is a bigger breach than we were pinged for.

Fuming, so much so that I had to edit this post to take out a few words.

If this is true the 15 clubs should sue the NRL , the Drs have said he would be fine in 18 months time (well start of 2021 season )

This is going to be a free for all. the only way a player should be medically retired and money off the cap is if the insurer pays out the contract.

 

[851]

Geo thought we had him

http://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby-league/in-demand-arrow-heading-to-souths-report/ar-BBXI4xb?ocid=ientp

I think he is a bad buy for souths, Arrow is a lock, and they have Murray, Luciano Leilua would have been a better pick for them to replace Sutton, I don't think Arrow will excel on an edge, but it's souths, the NRL will make it work for them


Goes alright at prop too

Too small for prop, he is a lock, and a good one

 

[Madge]

Geo thought we had him

http://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby-league/in-demand-arrow-heading-to-souths-report/ar-BBXI4xb?ocid=ientp

I think he is a bad buy for souths, Arrow is a lock, and they have Murray, Luciano Leilua would have been a better pick for them to replace Sutton, I don't think Arrow will excel on an edge, but it's souths, the NRL will make it work for them


Goes alright at prop too

Too small for prop, he is a lock, and a good one

The role of the lock and a prop these days are interchangeable, so it shouldn't affect his performances that much.

 

[Nelson]

Geo thought we had him

http://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby-league/in-demand-arrow-heading-to-souths-report/ar-BBXI4xb?ocid=ientp

I think he is a bad buy for souths, Arrow is a lock, and they have Murray, Luciano Leilua would have been a better pick for them to replace Sutton, I don't think Arrow will excel on an edge, but it's souths, the NRL will make it work for them


Goes alright at prop too

Too small for prop, he is a lock, and a good one

The role of the lock and a prop these days are interchangeable, so it shouldn't affect his performances that much.

Yeah but when you've got Cameron Murray at lock (low 90 kgs), Arrow at prop (~100kg), Su'A on one edge (~100kg) and Lowe on the other edge (a rangy ~105kg) you're looking at a pretty small pack for much of the game even if you've got a beast as your other main prop. Maybe the game will go that way and small, mobile packs will start to dominate, but it's risky...they might find themselves getting dominated by big packs.

 

[tiger05premier]

Souths should have 360k taken out of their cap for the next 10 years. That's if they don't want a million a year for the next few years

I thought if you were medically retired the player got his money per year as per contract and the money no longer counted in the salary cap

So why than does Burgess have to work 10 years in the office to get his money?

Am I missing something?

Yes, though it is all a massive grey area.

You can be medically retired by the insurance company, or the NRL itself. If Insurance covers a player's wage by medical retirement then the club doesn't have to pay it out, and it gets excluded in the cap.

I've recently learnt that the Chief Medical Officer of the NRL can also retire players, but the club still has to pay their contracts in full, unless insurance declares him unfit to return etc. It's not 100% clear what happens with salary when the NRL 'medically retires' a player, the NRL seems to be able to negotiate terms to a degree. But given the rumour of Souths offering him a 10 year deal worth 3.6 million in an off field role this is their way of ensuring he gets paid in full, via a revised payment plan of sorts. It is his playing contract they're paying him and thus they spread it out to soften the blow.

So there is a chance rabbits will suffer salary cap pain in the next few years?

 

[Tigerlily]

I’m surprised we haven’t been linked to Cody Walker, would love the idea of Cody and Latrell at the WTs not so much Moylan.

 

[balmain boy]

Souths should have 360k taken out of their cap for the next 10 years. That's if they don't want a million a year for the next few years

I thought if you were medically retired the player got his money per year as per contract and the money no longer counted in the salary cap

So why than does Burgess have to work 10 years in the office to get his money?

Am I missing something?

Yes, though it is all a massive grey area.

You can be medically retired by the insurance company, or the NRL itself. If Insurance covers a player's wage by medical retirement then the club doesn't have to pay it out, and it gets excluded in the cap.

I've recently learnt that the Chief Medical Officer of the NRL can also retire players, but the club still has to pay their contracts in full, unless insurance declares him unfit to return etc. It's not 100% clear what happens with salary when the NRL 'medically retires' a player, the NRL seems to be able to negotiate terms to a degree. But given the rumour of Souths offering him a 10 year deal worth 3.6 million in an off field role this is their way of ensuring he gets paid in full, via a revised payment plan of sorts. It is his playing contract they're paying him and thus they spread it out to soften the blow.

So there is a chance rabbits will suffer salary cap pain in the next few years?

Yep.

But then the nrl is corrupt so there's also a chance they'll make the Tigers pay out Burgess instead of souths

 

[Sart0ri]

How about Cody Walker at fullback? He has kicked 10/12 goals and played 17 games at fullback for the Rabbits. He seems to be down on confidence since SOO and the change of team and roll might suit him. I am not sure about his 1 on 1 defence but offers a lot in attack.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

How about Cody Walker at fullback? He has kicked 10/12 goals and played 17 games at fullback for the Rabbits. He seems to be down on confidence since SOO and the change of team and roll might suit him. I am not sure about his 1 on 1 defence but offers a lot in attack.

We need to recruit a specialist fullback. His defence is ordinary and fullback is no position for someone short of confidence.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maybe we should start looking at what fullbacks are available for 2021. If we sign one, chances are we get always get them at some point in 2020.