Simpkin

[Snake]

Liddle should be starting then Simpkin comes on .. Or Simpkin back to reserves then a few cameos as the season progresses.
The kid does not need the pressure of playing with the class around him Atm..next season is his season .

 

[earl]

Would like to see both Simpkin and Liddle in the 17.

Starting hooker 0-30 minutes
Bench hooker 30-65 minutes
Starting hooker 65-80 minutes

Don’t know who I’d start and who I’d bench but that’s just a rough idea of how it could potentially be balanced better

I have no idea how this post was down voted. We need both of them in the team at least to see how they go.

 

[jirskyr]

Simpkin will be very good, but it's a lot to ask for a 19 year old, said before his ball delivery is not as good as Liddle's, but his work ethic and game control is better. M'Bye should not play another NRL game, won't be there next year, upgrade Gebbie.

Honestly, the distribution from both hookers falters as they tire. It's all well and good to say Liddle's service was decent when he ran on on the weekend, but it's been inconsistent the weeks he started.

Compared to Mitch Rein, who nobody rates and was lucky to secure his deal with the Titans due to general lack of interest, he was whistling them wide to the halves.

 

[Needaname]

Simpkin will be very good, but it's a lot to ask for a 19 year old, said before his ball delivery is not as good as Liddle's, but his work ethic and game control is better. M'Bye should not play another NRL game, won't be there next year, upgrade Gebbie.

Honestly, the distribution from both hookers falters as they tire. It's all well and good to say Liddle's service was decent when he ran on on the weekend, but it's been inconsistent the weeks he started.

Compared to Mitch Rein, who nobody rates and was lucky to secure his deal with the Titans due to general lack of interest, he was whistling them wide to the halves.

Mitch Rein has always been a good hooker, grid been guilty of being a bit one dimensional at times but he looks better in a flamboyant team.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I'm sure if we looked at Cam Smith or Robbie Farah at 19 they would not resemble in playing skills the great hooker forwards they became. Remember Simpkin has been thrown into a badly beaten team and asked to perform as an established hooker. This is different to debuting with the Roosters or Penrith.

On Liddle, it takes 12 months of playing to regain confidence and speed after a serious knee injury. He has done remarkably well and I hope we can retain him. I believe he is Captain material.

Sorry but Robbie made a clean line break with his first touch in 1st grade. Let’s not compare Jake to Robbie or Cam Smith.

I get the point you’re trying to make. But you can’t make it with the two best hookers of the past 20 years.

Hate to say it but if Jake was as classy as Robbie or Smith, we’d already know about it. Doesn’t mean he still can’t be a quality player.

let's give liddle some time like another 49 games over 5 years

Who says Liddle needs time? He’s playing just fine

people are judging simpkin off 3 games
Liddle has had 49 games in 5 years to prove himself

 

[Speed2burn]

I'm sure if we looked at Cam Smith or Robbie Farah at 19 they would not resemble in playing skills the great hooker forwards they became. Remember Simpkin has been thrown into a badly beaten team and asked to perform as an established hooker. This is different to debuting with the Roosters or Penrith.

On Liddle, it takes 12 months of playing to regain confidence and speed after a serious knee injury. He has done remarkably well and I hope we can retain him. I believe he is Captain material.

Sorry but Robbie made a clean line break with his first touch in 1st grade. Let’s not compare Jake to Robbie or Cam Smith.

I get the point you’re trying to make. But you can’t make it with the two best hookers of the past 20 years.

Hate to say it but if Jake was as classy as Robbie or Smith, we’d already know about it. Doesn’t mean he still can’t be a quality player.

let's give liddle some time like another 49 games over 5 years

Who says Liddle needs time? He’s playing just fine

people are judging simpkin off 3 games
Liddle has had 49 games in 5 years to prove himself

More so people assessing where he’s at after 4 games in top flight rugba league

He’s still very much a work in progress , and for what it’s worth I’d keep him there for now but swap the roles

Liddle to start and Simpkin to bench. Mbye gone

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm sure if we looked at Cam Smith or Robbie Farah at 19 they would not resemble in playing skills the great hooker forwards they became. Remember Simpkin has been thrown into a badly beaten team and asked to perform as an established hooker. This is different to debuting with the Roosters or Penrith.

On Liddle, it takes 12 months of playing to regain confidence and speed after a serious knee injury. He has done remarkably well and I hope we can retain him. I believe he is Captain material.

Sorry but Robbie made a clean line break with his first touch in 1st grade. Let’s not compare Jake to Robbie or Cam Smith.

I get the point you’re trying to make. But you can’t make it with the two best hookers of the past 20 years.

Hate to say it but if Jake was as classy as Robbie or Smith, we’d already know about it. Doesn’t mean he still can’t be a quality player.

let's give liddle some time like another 49 games over 5 years

Who says Liddle needs time? He’s playing just fine

people are judging simpkin off 3 games
Liddle has had 49 games in 5 years to prove himself

And he’s proving himself this year. Not sure what you are getting at.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I'm sure if we looked at Cam Smith or Robbie Farah at 19 they would not resemble in playing skills the great hooker forwards they became. Remember Simpkin has been thrown into a badly beaten team and asked to perform as an established hooker. This is different to debuting with the Roosters or Penrith.

On Liddle, it takes 12 months of playing to regain confidence and speed after a serious knee injury. He has done remarkably well and I hope we can retain him. I believe he is Captain material.

Sorry but Robbie made a clean line break with his first touch in 1st grade. Let’s not compare Jake to Robbie or Cam Smith.

I get the point you’re trying to make. But you can’t make it with the two best hookers of the past 20 years.

Hate to say it but if Jake was as classy as Robbie or Smith, we’d already know about it. Doesn’t mean he still can’t be a quality player.

let's give liddle some time like another 49 games over 5 years

Who says Liddle needs time? He’s playing just fine

people are judging simpkin off 3 games
Liddle has had 49 games in 5 years to prove himself

And he’s proving himself this year. Not sure what you are getting at.

more so a response to some on here give simpkin the same amount of time as liddle that being 49 games in 5 years

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I'm sure if we looked at Cam Smith or Robbie Farah at 19 they would not resemble in playing skills the great hooker forwards they became. Remember Simpkin has been thrown into a badly beaten team and asked to perform as an established hooker. This is different to debuting with the Roosters or Penrith.

On Liddle, it takes 12 months of playing to regain confidence and speed after a serious knee injury. He has done remarkably well and I hope we can retain him. I believe he is Captain material.

Sorry but Robbie made a clean line break with his first touch in 1st grade. Let’s not compare Jake to Robbie or Cam Smith.

I get the point you’re trying to make. But you can’t make it with the two best hookers of the past 20 years.

Hate to say it but if Jake was as classy as Robbie or Smith, we’d already know about it. Doesn’t mean he still can’t be a quality player.

let's give liddle some time like another 49 games over 5 years

Who says Liddle needs time? He’s playing just fine

people are judging simpkin off 3 games
Liddle has had 49 games in 5 years to prove himself

More so people assessing where he’s at after 4 games in top flight rugba league

He’s still very much a work in progress , and for what it’s worth I’d keep him there for now but swap the roles

Liddle to start and Simpkin to bench. Mbye gone

that's what I meant simpkin has had less than 5 games and judged already, liddle has had 49 you know what he is capable of a very solid hooker but nothing special. Let's judge simpkins after 50 games

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm sure if we looked at Cam Smith or Robbie Farah at 19 they would not resemble in playing skills the great hooker forwards they became. Remember Simpkin has been thrown into a badly beaten team and asked to perform as an established hooker. This is different to debuting with the Roosters or Penrith.

On Liddle, it takes 12 months of playing to regain confidence and speed after a serious knee injury. He has done remarkably well and I hope we can retain him. I believe he is Captain material.

Sorry but Robbie made a clean line break with his first touch in 1st grade. Let’s not compare Jake to Robbie or Cam Smith.

I get the point you’re trying to make. But you can’t make it with the two best hookers of the past 20 years.

Hate to say it but if Jake was as classy as Robbie or Smith, we’d already know about it. Doesn’t mean he still can’t be a quality player.

let's give liddle some time like another 49 games over 5 years

Who says Liddle needs time? He’s playing just fine

people are judging simpkin off 3 games
Liddle has had 49 games in 5 years to prove himself

And he’s proving himself this year. Not sure what you are getting at.

more so a response to some on here give simpkin the same amount of time as liddle that being 49 games in 5 years

Due to injuries

 

[Speed2burn]

I'm sure if we looked at Cam Smith or Robbie Farah at 19 they would not resemble in playing skills the great hooker forwards they became. Remember Simpkin has been thrown into a badly beaten team and asked to perform as an established hooker. This is different to debuting with the Roosters or Penrith.

On Liddle, it takes 12 months of playing to regain confidence and speed after a serious knee injury. He has done remarkably well and I hope we can retain him. I believe he is Captain material.

Sorry but Robbie made a clean line break with his first touch in 1st grade. Let’s not compare Jake to Robbie or Cam Smith.

I get the point you’re trying to make. But you can’t make it with the two best hookers of the past 20 years.

Hate to say it but if Jake was as classy as Robbie or Smith, we’d already know about it. Doesn’t mean he still can’t be a quality player.

let's give liddle some time like another 49 games over 5 years

Who says Liddle needs time? He’s playing just fine

people are judging simpkin off 3 games
Liddle has had 49 games in 5 years to prove himself

More so people assessing where he’s at after 4 games in top flight rugba league

He’s still very much a work in progress , and for what it’s worth I’d keep him there for now but swap the roles

Liddle to start and Simpkin to bench. Mbye gone

that's what I meant simpkin has had less than 5 games and judged already, liddle has had 49 you know what he is capable of a very solid hooker but nothing special. Let's judge simpkins after 50 games

Nobody is judging Simpkin unfairly

Just stating the glaringly obvious deficiencies he has in his game early into his career. He’s only 19. He can learn his trade slowly whether it be off the bench or in reserve grade

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm sure if we looked at Cam Smith or Robbie Farah at 19 they would not resemble in playing skills the great hooker forwards they became. Remember Simpkin has been thrown into a badly beaten team and asked to perform as an established hooker. This is different to debuting with the Roosters or Penrith.

On Liddle, it takes 12 months of playing to regain confidence and speed after a serious knee injury. He has done remarkably well and I hope we can retain him. I believe he is Captain material.

Sorry but Robbie made a clean line break with his first touch in 1st grade. Let’s not compare Jake to Robbie or Cam Smith.

I get the point you’re trying to make. But you can’t make it with the two best hookers of the past 20 years.

Hate to say it but if Jake was as classy as Robbie or Smith, we’d already know about it. Doesn’t mean he still can’t be a quality player.

let's give liddle some time like another 49 games over 5 years

Who says Liddle needs time? He’s playing just fine

people are judging simpkin off 3 games
Liddle has had 49 games in 5 years to prove himself

More so people assessing where he’s at after 4 games in top flight rugba league

He’s still very much a work in progress , and for what it’s worth I’d keep him there for now but swap the roles

Liddle to start and Simpkin to bench. Mbye gone

that's what I meant simpkin has had less than 5 games and judged already, liddle has had 49 you know what he is capable of a very solid hooker but nothing special. Let's judge simpkins after 50 games


Nobody is judging Simpkin unfairly

Just stating the glaringly obvious deficiencies he has in his game early into his career. He’s only 19. He can learn his trade slowly whether it be off the bench or in reserve grade

This. Jedi is overreacting thinking this thread is encouraging the club to throw in the towel. That won’t happen, nor should it. But sometimes there is lots of anticipation for a debut. Simpkin wasn’t quite there with Marshall, but there was anticipation on a more minor scale. Look at Walker, a year younger and has dominated. Simpkin has been very passive. Looks very meat and potatoes.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I'm sure if we looked at Cam Smith or Robbie Farah at 19 they would not resemble in playing skills the great hooker forwards they became. Remember Simpkin has been thrown into a badly beaten team and asked to perform as an established hooker. This is different to debuting with the Roosters or Penrith.

On Liddle, it takes 12 months of playing to regain confidence and speed after a serious knee injury. He has done remarkably well and I hope we can retain him. I believe he is Captain material.

Sorry but Robbie made a clean line break with his first touch in 1st grade. Let’s not compare Jake to Robbie or Cam Smith.

I get the point you’re trying to make. But you can’t make it with the two best hookers of the past 20 years.

Hate to say it but if Jake was as classy as Robbie or Smith, we’d already know about it. Doesn’t mean he still can’t be a quality player.

let's give liddle some time like another 49 games over 5 years

Who says Liddle needs time? He’s playing just fine

people are judging simpkin off 3 games
Liddle has had 49 games in 5 years to prove himself

More so people assessing where he’s at after 4 games in top flight rugba league

He’s still very much a work in progress , and for what it’s worth I’d keep him there for now but swap the roles

Liddle to start and Simpkin to bench. Mbye gone

that's what I meant simpkin has had less than 5 games and judged already, liddle has had 49 you know what he is capable of a very solid hooker but nothing special. Let's judge simpkins after 50 games


Nobody is judging Simpkin unfairly

Just stating the glaringly obvious deficiencies he has in his game early into his career. He’s only 19. He can learn his trade slowly whether it be off the bench or in reserve grade

This. Jedi is overreacting thinking this thread is encouraging the club to throw in the towel. That won’t happen, nor should it. But sometimes there is lots of anticipation for a debut. Simpkin wasn’t quite there with Marshall, but there was anticipation on a more minor scale. Look at Walker, a year younger and has dominated. Simpkin has been very passive. Looks very meat and potatoes.

not overreacting thanks but just amazed people are judging the guy from 5 games yet the other bloke as an option has had 50 games.
Wait and see how he goes at the end of the season before judging him as not being a superstar, give him some time and hopefully he can show what he has behind a pack going forward

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm sure if we looked at Cam Smith or Robbie Farah at 19 they would not resemble in playing skills the great hooker forwards they became. Remember Simpkin has been thrown into a badly beaten team and asked to perform as an established hooker. This is different to debuting with the Roosters or Penrith.

On Liddle, it takes 12 months of playing to regain confidence and speed after a serious knee injury. He has done remarkably well and I hope we can retain him. I believe he is Captain material.

Sorry but Robbie made a clean line break with his first touch in 1st grade. Let’s not compare Jake to Robbie or Cam Smith.

I get the point you’re trying to make. But you can’t make it with the two best hookers of the past 20 years.

Hate to say it but if Jake was as classy as Robbie or Smith, we’d already know about it. Doesn’t mean he still can’t be a quality player.

let's give liddle some time like another 49 games over 5 years

Who says Liddle needs time? He’s playing just fine

people are judging simpkin off 3 games
Liddle has had 49 games in 5 years to prove himself

More so people assessing where he’s at after 4 games in top flight rugba league

He’s still very much a work in progress , and for what it’s worth I’d keep him there for now but swap the roles

Liddle to start and Simpkin to bench. Mbye gone

that's what I meant simpkin has had less than 5 games and judged already, liddle has had 49 you know what he is capable of a very solid hooker but nothing special. Let's judge simpkins after 50 games


Nobody is judging Simpkin unfairly

Just stating the glaringly obvious deficiencies he has in his game early into his career. He’s only 19. He can learn his trade slowly whether it be off the bench or in reserve grade

This. Jedi is overreacting thinking this thread is encouraging the club to throw in the towel. That won’t happen, nor should it. But sometimes there is lots of anticipation for a debut. Simpkin wasn’t quite there with Marshall, but there was anticipation on a more minor scale. Look at Walker, a year younger and has dominated. Simpkin has been very passive. Looks very meat and potatoes.

not overreacting thanks but just amazed people are judging the guy from 5 games yet the other bloke as an option has had 50 games.
Wait and see how he goes at the end of the season before judging him as not being a superstar, give him some time and hopefully he can show what he has behind a pack going forward

What does Liddle’s 50 games have to do with Simpkin. This whataboutism doesn’t really fit. No one is claiming Liddle to be anything more than he is. No one is saying to give him time either.

 

[SeanT]

Liddle will end up at a club where he's appreciated.
Madge has done everything in his power to alienate the kid.
If you were his manager would you advise him to stay?
He'll be tearing us up with the Roosters next year.

Pfft Liddle wouldn't get into the roosters reserve grade side sorry.

Like Brooks he belongs in the lower teams.

 

[Toowoomba_Tiger]

Would like to see both Simpkin and Liddle in the 17.

Starting hooker 0-30 minutes
Bench hooker 30-65 minutes
Starting hooker 65-80 minutes

Don’t know who I’d start and who I’d bench but that’s just a rough idea of how it could potentially be balanced better

I have no idea how this post was down voted. We need both of them in the team at least to see how they go.

100% agree.
If not for Mbye, I'm sure that's what we would have seen in earlier rounds.
Both are too young and under done. They need to share atm.
Simpkin start imo. Stronger defense. Traditional type hooker.
Liddle to come on and work over tired opposition forwards with his bursts up the middle to up the tempo and help our our tiring forwards get on the front foot.
Simpkin to close out game or could come back on at lock if Liddle is coping.

 

[Toowoomba_Tiger]

Seriously though some of the posts about these two players🤣. They are both good assets to have. They will pay off, especially young Simpkin.
One of the the most upsetting things I've seen Madge do is how he expected so much of Jake in recent rounds. He got that wrong big time. Even last game not giving him a rest earlier

 

[The_Patriot]

Both are ok players.

Its a bit pointless to turn it into a one or the other conversation.

Id like to see both used and both on the field together in a cross over period when other teams are tired.

Worked for Farah and Halataua and is working for Smith and Grant.

Guess that requires some enterprising coaching however, something we seem to be lacking.

 

[TigerNeddyK]

Both are decent 9’s but at this stage neither look like world beaters. They both reflect where the team is at right now. Learning, Inconsistent with defensive problems.

JL had his knee strapped and looked a bit strained running however, could be the strapping. Both struggle playing 80.

Neither have shown they can kick.

One will be gone next week, if mbye goes to 14.

Mbye does not deserve a run in front of either of them. Mbye has been hobbling the team with his pass before even think of running and run slow and at the defender in a defensive position aiming at self preservation style of footballl. Mbye is basically malingering at the west’s tigers, unfortunately

 

[earl]

Both are decent 9’s but at this stage neither look like world beaters. They both reflect where the team is at right now. Learning, Inconsistent with defensive problems.

JL had his knee strapped and looked a bit strained running however, could be the strapping. Both struggle playing 80.

Neither have shown they can kick.

One will be gone next week, if mbye goes to 14.

Mbye does not deserve a run in front of either of them. Mbye has been hobbling the team with his pass before even think of running and run slow and at the defender in a defensive position aiming at self preservation style of footballl. Mbye is basically malingering at the west’s tigers, unfortunately

He should play centre or utility off the bench but not at the expense of Liddle and Simpkin. They both need to play. We don't need to play Mbye.