LeichhardtTiger
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Acasionly 🥃
Some Facts.......Not media spin.
- Thread starter Todd Packer
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What we need is a hard nosed coach.
Oh wait.
How many games total have we played and won since Brooks started at halfback in 2014. That would determine the real answer.
liltiger
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Cheers
Halbrowne61
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But at least you’re an A grade speller !!🤣🤣
TurnStyle
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I don't think these stats are fair to Brooks.
When those percentages were taken, the Storm and Roosters had Cronk, the Panthers had Cleary...
I was more suggesting how a player's team/club is travelling also plays a vital part in this too, especially a low performing one.
Jackson Hastings had a winning percentage of 25% at the Wests Tigers.
Not sure what his winning percentage was here but Moses Mbye is at 45%, and he has managed to play 4 NRL Finals, elsewhere.
Adam Douiehi 40.96% (overall) though it was above 60% with the Rabbitohs.
Brooks is often compared to Brodie Croft who has a 52.31% winning rate...that's 2.1% less than Thurston, who's the game greatest halfback IMO...but that is mostly due to his time in Melbourne. (Which peaked at 81.82% in 2019). He didn't exactly lead them to victory during those instances but rather played a role in a very good team, at an elite club.
Chipofftheoldblock
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Could not have said that better myself. 100% agree with everything you have said.
You need players to do the 1 percenters right like you have mentioned above. I have yet to see a WT player actually hit a hole or run a hard under line. I would just like to see blokes run hard like Leota from Penrith does each time. It has been a while since i have seen WT player actually run hard and want to run over the top of someone. We have a weak underbelly and players need to show some fight throughout the game.
Yeah completion rate and errors look like one of the main issues. Looking at the stats for the first two games it’s mind blowing that we didn’t win either of them. If you didn’t know the scores and just had the other stats to go from, you would 100% think we’d won.
BrissieTiger67
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This is the very definition of "clutching with straws "
Excellent Lauren ! It proves the point that, as a half performs is very much related to the quality of the side around him. There is no doubt that halves have a lot easier job, in a top team, and do not perform at their best in a poor side. Statistics can be misleading no doubt, and don't tell the whole story.
This just shows the one eyed view and perception of many, who look for the opportunity to join the sheep on the blame train, instead of looking at the big picture.
earl
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Just take a step back and reflect on this stat. I'm not saying he is that bad. I mean clearly we aren't any better with him gone. He wasn't good enough to lead us to wins.
How much difference does a peak Andrew Johns make to our team and would he make the same difference with Brooks still in the team. We won't know but I think the issue is we simply aren't fielding a team with the players capable of regularly winning games.
I do think and I think it's been obvious for a couple of season our spine is terrible. We've improved it with Api.
I also suppose we have to give it some time.
It would prove nothing. To evaluate performance you would have to evaluate the quality of the sides in which he played. As we can see in this breakdown, the performance of a half is directly linked to the quality of the side he is in.
Tucker
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Well it seems we are also first in naive idiots who don’t understand that scoring more points than your opposition is what this game is all about.
Wake up
Thanks for the info Lauren,so judging by that he is not the worst just close to it
Todd Packer
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I encountered fellows like you in the trenches during WW1
We would pants them and throw their trousers towards the enemy and make them run out int the battlefield to retrieve them.
It was the only way to build their resilience and mental toughness.
Tucker
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Lol you wouldn’t last 10 seconds before you’d be shiddin and pissin all over yours.
Thx @Todd Packer
We need a measurement for effort and Care factor. The Forwards didnt run hard / No momentum
The Halfback whilst individually talented is not up up to his price tag.
TO MANY UNFORCED ERRORS
We need a measurement for effort and Care factor. The Forwards didnt run hard / No momentum
The Halfback whilst individually talented is not up up to his price tag.
TO MANY UNFORCED ERRORS
The thing about Brooks' record is he'd almost certainly stand out at 40% win rate among players with that many games (and I suspect it's a little bit lower when you include games he's not at 7).
As you move beyond a certain number of games, players with losing records should filter out because they should be ending up in reserve grade or out of the NRL. Maybe they bounce around as journeymen, but there's no way someone with a 40% win rate should be playing 200 games at the same club.
Then you notice as Brooks has entered his prime, his record has gotten worse. Moses might be at 50% for example, but that percentage has improved with time as he's improved as a player. Brooks would've started closer to 50% when we were coming 9th and gone down with time.
This isn't a guy who we're paying 300k a year to be the least important player in our spine. He's been made the focal point of the team and is on ~1mil a year. It's madness that we've reached this point and are persisting with what has been, objectively, a failure up until this point.
As you move beyond a certain number of games, players with losing records should filter out because they should be ending up in reserve grade or out of the NRL. Maybe they bounce around as journeymen, but there's no way someone with a 40% win rate should be playing 200 games at the same club.
Then you notice as Brooks has entered his prime, his record has gotten worse. Moses might be at 50% for example, but that percentage has improved with time as he's improved as a player. Brooks would've started closer to 50% when we were coming 9th and gone down with time.
This isn't a guy who we're paying 300k a year to be the least important player in our spine. He's been made the focal point of the team and is on ~1mil a year. It's madness that we've reached this point and are persisting with what has been, objectively, a failure up until this point.
