Stefano Utoikamanu #241

[Tiger5150]

So we've missed this guy now?
Like Fiji Reggie's?
Like Latrell?
I'm seeing a pattern

Missed for 2020, for now. He’s signed to us from 2021. If they want to spend 2020 developing a kid who will be gone the year after, let them. Shows what idiots they are.

We havent missed anything. Tigers signed this kid for 2021, when he is off contract. That is the way the system is supposed to work. Sure people can *hope* he comes earlier but thats not how its supposed to work and the Tigers didnt sign him for that.

For mine, I dont think its a terrible result. If it was someone like Latrell, JAC or even leilua I'd be impatient and want him to come, but this kid is only 19. Lets be honest, if he came to us this year he would probably be on a DEVT contract and not see any first grade and be ready to go next year. Let them get him ready for us, costs us nothing.

 

[Plato]

Message from Eels:
U toik a ma nu car, I wanna it back

 

[GNR4LIFE]

So we've missed this guy now?
Like Fiji Reggie's?
Like Latrell?
I'm seeing a pattern

Missed for 2020, for now. He’s signed to us from 2021. If they want to spend 2020 developing a kid who will be gone the year after, let them. Shows what idiots they are.


We havent missed anything. Tigers signed this kid for 2021, when he is off contract. That is the way the system is supposed to work. Sure people can *hope* he comes earlier but thats not how its supposed to work and the Tigers didnt sign him for that.

For mine, I dont think its a terrible result. If it was someone like Latrell, JAC or even leilua I'd be impatient and want him to come, but this kid is only 19. Lets be honest, if he came to us this year he would probably be on a DEVT contract and not see any first grade and be ready to go next year. Let them get him ready for us, costs us nothing.

If we’ve tried to get him for 2020 and Parra have said no, then we have missed out on something....for now. I’m sure there will be a brain in someone’s head at Parra, working well enough to realise it’s not in their interest keeping him around when he’ll be gone the following year.

 

[Tiger5150]

The kid needs to go to the Players association for assistance. Denying him the right to sign a professional contract, support his family out of spite for us is very wrong. It has nothing to do with the player, and everything to do with us.
We even gave them Matto for free and now they won't release a 19 year old who's currently their 7th choice at prop?

This just again shows what a grubby club they are !


They have at least 4 of our players at the moment (Ray Stone, Moses, Brown and Matterson) possible others I can't remember

But I wouldn't expect anything different from them

Well maybe we should have some backbone and not release players prematurely? If we had have held out from releasing Matterson we could have used that as a bargaining chip. But we didn't, so here we are. Again.


Yeah thats the spirit!!!! Of course that would have meant that we couldnt have made an offer to Latrell, couldnt have signed Leilua or been involved in the player market, but yeah, we taught Matterson a lesson and looked like tough guys. Shame the player culture has taken a nose dive and there is unrest between the whole player group, but doesnt matter because we feel like tough guys.

If Bellamy was in charge do you think he would have released Matterson with nothing in return? Of course he wouldn’t have.

Ps we didn’t get Mitchell so moot point, and DT reporting we’ve signed LL on $400k a year, which is WAY overs.

Avo, do you see the irony in what you are saying? You are saying we shouldnt have let Matterson go, but complaining that we have bought a player for too much? These too things are mutually exclusive.

Mate this is a genuine post from me. You are constantly bleating and dumping on Tigers management and thats fair enough, thats your opinion and even though I find it monotonous, predicatble and boring, you are entitled to it.

Let me ask you a serious question. You would prefer that we forced Matterson to stay (regardless of what it would have done to the player culture) and spend this offseason out of the the player market and go into 2020 with the same squad and a pissed off RM? Seriously is that what you are suggesting?

 

[Tiger5150]

So we've missed this guy now?
Like Fiji Reggie's?
Like Latrell?
I'm seeing a pattern

Missed for 2020, for now. He’s signed to us from 2021. If they want to spend 2020 developing a kid who will be gone the year after, let them. Shows what idiots they are.


We havent missed anything. Tigers signed this kid for 2021, when he is off contract. That is the way the system is supposed to work. Sure people can *hope* he comes earlier but thats not how its supposed to work and the Tigers didnt sign him for that.

For mine, I dont think its a terrible result. If it was someone like Latrell, JAC or even leilua I'd be impatient and want him to come, but this kid is only 19. Lets be honest, if he came to us this year he would probably be on a DEVT contract and not see any first grade and be ready to go next year. Let them get him ready for us, costs us nothing.

If we’ve tried to get him for 2020 and Parra have said no, then we have missed out on something....for now. I’m sure there will be a brain in someone’s head at Parra, working well enough to realise it’s not in their interest keeping him around when he’ll be gone the following year.

no we havent. He is under contract to Parra for 2020, we signed him for 2021 onwards. You cant miss out on something that is not available.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

So we've missed this guy now?
Like Fiji Reggie's?
Like Latrell?
I'm seeing a pattern

Missed for 2020, for now. He’s signed to us from 2021. If they want to spend 2020 developing a kid who will be gone the year after, let them. Shows what idiots they are.


We havent missed anything. Tigers signed this kid for 2021, when he is off contract. That is the way the system is supposed to work. Sure people can *hope* he comes earlier but thats not how its supposed to work and the Tigers didnt sign him for that.

For mine, I dont think its a terrible result. If it was someone like Latrell, JAC or even leilua I'd be impatient and want him to come, but this kid is only 19. Lets be honest, if he came to us this year he would probably be on a DEVT contract and not see any first grade and be ready to go next year. Let them get him ready for us, costs us nothing.

If we’ve tried to get him for 2020 and Parra have said no, then we have missed out on something....for now. I’m sure there will be a brain in someone’s head at Parra, working well enough to realise it’s not in their interest keeping him around when he’ll be gone the following year.


no we havent. He is under contract to Parra for 2020, we signed him for 2021 onwards. You cant miss out on something that is not available.

Do you not understand what I’m saying. If we’ve tried to get him early, we’ve been unsuccessful in something. Let’s not split hairs. Our interpretations are clearly different.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The kid needs to go to the Players association for assistance. Denying him the right to sign a professional contract, support his family out of spite for us is very wrong. It has nothing to do with the player, and everything to do with us.
We even gave them Matto for free and now they won't release a 19 year old who's currently their 7th choice at prop?

This just again shows what a grubby club they are !


They have at least 4 of our players at the moment (Ray Stone, Moses, Brown and Matterson) possible others I can't remember

But I wouldn't expect anything different from them

Well maybe we should have some backbone and not release players prematurely? If we had have held out from releasing Matterson we could have used that as a bargaining chip. But we didn't, so here we are. Again.


Yeah thats the spirit!!!! Of course that would have meant that we couldnt have made an offer to Latrell, couldnt have signed Leilua or been involved in the player market, but yeah, we taught Matterson a lesson and looked like tough guys. Shame the player culture has taken a nose dive and there is unrest between the whole player group, but doesnt matter because we feel like tough guys.

If Bellamy was in charge do you think he would have released Matterson with nothing in return? Of course he wouldn’t have.

Ps we didn’t get Mitchell so moot point, and DT reporting we’ve signed LL on $400k a year, which is WAY overs.

Avo, do you see the irony in what you are saying? You are saying we shouldnt have let Matterson go, but complaining that we have bought a player for too much? These too things are mutually exclusive.

Mate this is a genuine post from me. You are constantly bleating and dumping on Tigers management and thats fair enough, thats your opinion and even though I find it monotonous, predicatble and boring, you are entitled to it.

Let me ask you a serious question. You would prefer that we forced Matterson to stay (regardless of what it would have done to the player culture) and spend this offseason out of the the player market and go into 2020 with the same squad and a pissed off RM? Seriously is that what you are suggesting?

I would have held out until we got something in return. And I’ll stop dumping on tigers management when they actually do something worth commending. But at this stage they’ve done nothing to earn my respect. We’ve lost our best player and got nothing in return and all we’ve signed (officially) is Billy Walters. I’m extremely happy that you have such unbelievably low expectations that you are pleased with that, but some people want a bit more.

And onto your first point. Matterson we signed up at a bargain rate. Imo he’s a 500-600k player who was on the fringe of SOO last year. We let him go for no compensation and his replacement we have signed up for the same money even though he’s probably at best a 250-300k player. Not sure how you’d be happy with that but anyway.

Unfortunately until the club starts to actually do something worth commending there will be a lot more monotony to come from me. I suggest your best course of action would be to mark me as foe so you don’t have to go through the inconvenience of reading my posts.

 

[Spacecub]

They'll release him.....always happens

 

[Nelson]

The kid needs to go to the Players association for assistance. Denying him the right to sign a professional contract, support his family out of spite for us is very wrong. It has nothing to do with the player, and everything to do with us.
We even gave them Matto for free and now they won't release a 19 year old who's currently their 7th choice at prop?

This just again shows what a grubby club they are !


They have at least 4 of our players at the moment (Ray Stone, Moses, Brown and Matterson) possible others I can't remember

But I wouldn't expect anything different from them

Well maybe we should have some backbone and not release players prematurely? If we had have held out from releasing Matterson we could have used that as a bargaining chip. But we didn't, so here we are. Again.


Yeah thats the spirit!!!! Of course that would have meant that we couldnt have made an offer to Latrell, couldnt have signed Leilua or been involved in the player market, but yeah, we taught Matterson a lesson and looked like tough guys. Shame the player culture has taken a nose dive and there is unrest between the whole player group, but doesnt matter because we feel like tough guys.

If Bellamy was in charge do you think he would have released Matterson with nothing in return? Of course he wouldn’t have.

Ps we didn’t get Mitchell so moot point, and DT reporting we’ve signed LL on $400k a year, which is WAY overs.

It might be a little steep but it's not WAY overs. It's supply and demand. There are bugger all 2nd rowers on the market and there are bugger all impact forwards on the market. He has significant upside, so of course he's going to cost. Better than Capewell for $400K...

 

[avocadoontoast]

The kid needs to go to the Players association for assistance. Denying him the right to sign a professional contract, support his family out of spite for us is very wrong. It has nothing to do with the player, and everything to do with us.
We even gave them Matto for free and now they won't release a 19 year old who's currently their 7th choice at prop?

This just again shows what a grubby club they are !


They have at least 4 of our players at the moment (Ray Stone, Moses, Brown and Matterson) possible others I can't remember

But I wouldn't expect anything different from them

Well maybe we should have some backbone and not release players prematurely? If we had have held out from releasing Matterson we could have used that as a bargaining chip. But we didn't, so here we are. Again.


Yeah thats the spirit!!!! Of course that would have meant that we couldnt have made an offer to Latrell, couldnt have signed Leilua or been involved in the player market, but yeah, we taught Matterson a lesson and looked like tough guys. Shame the player culture has taken a nose dive and there is unrest between the whole player group, but doesnt matter because we feel like tough guys.

If Bellamy was in charge do you think he would have released Matterson with nothing in return? Of course he wouldn’t have.

Ps we didn’t get Mitchell so moot point, and DT reporting we’ve signed LL on $400k a year, which is WAY overs.

It might be a little steep but it's not WAY overs. It's supply and demand. There are b****r all 2nd rowers on the market and there are b****r all impact forwards on the market. He has significant upside, so of course he's going to cost. Better than Capewell for $400K...

Actually you're right, I was wrong there. It's not way overs. It's not a bargain though.

 

[balmain boy]

So we've missed this guy now?
Like Fiji Reggie's?
Like Latrell?
I'm seeing a pattern

Missed for 2020, for now. He’s signed to us from 2021. If they want to spend 2020 developing a kid who will be gone the year after, let them. Shows what idiots they are.

But they won't develop him. They'll leave him to rot in reserves or even Flegg.

 

[balmain boy]

So we've missed this guy now?
Like Fiji Reggie's?
Like Latrell?
I'm seeing a pattern

Missed for 2020, for now. He’s signed to us from 2021. If they want to spend 2020 developing a kid who will be gone the year after, let them. Shows what idiots they are.


We havent missed anything. Tigers signed this kid for 2021, when he is off contract. That is the way the system is supposed to work. Sure people can *hope* he comes earlier but thats not how its supposed to work and the Tigers didnt sign him for that.

For mine, I dont think its a terrible result. If it was someone like Latrell, JAC or even leilua I'd be impatient and want him to come, but this kid is only 19. Lets be honest, if he came to us this year he would probably be on a DEVT contract and not see any first grade and be ready to go next year. Let them get him ready for us, costs us nothing.

If he joins us in 2020 he'll be playing 12+ games of first grade next season, if not more.

 

[Plato]

The kid needs to go to the Players association for assistance. Denying him the right to sign a professional contract, support his family out of spite for us is very wrong. It has nothing to do with the player, and everything to do with us.
We even gave them Matto for free and now they won't release a 19 year old who's currently their 7th choice at prop?

This just again shows what a grubby club they are !


They have at least 4 of our players at the moment (Ray Stone, Moses, Brown and Matterson) possible others I can't remember

But I wouldn't expect anything different from them

Well maybe we should have some backbone and not release players prematurely? If we had have held out from releasing Matterson we could have used that as a bargaining chip. But we didn't, so here we are. Again.


Yeah thats the spirit!!!! Of course that would have meant that we couldnt have made an offer to Latrell, couldnt have signed Leilua or been involved in the player market, but yeah, we taught Matterson a lesson and looked like tough guys. Shame the player culture has taken a nose dive and there is unrest between the whole player group, but doesnt matter because we feel like tough guys.

If Bellamy was in charge do you think he would have released Matterson with nothing in return? Of course he wouldn’t have.

Ps we didn’t get Mitchell so moot point, and DT reporting we’ve signed LL on $400k a year, which is WAY overs.

Avo, do you see the irony in what you are saying? You are saying we shouldnt have let Matterson go, but complaining that we have bought a player for too much? These too things are mutually exclusive.

Mate this is a genuine post from me. You are constantly bleating and dumping on Tigers management and thats fair enough, thats your opinion and even though I find it monotonous, predicatble and boring, you are entitled to it.

Let me ask you a serious question. You would prefer that we forced Matterson to stay (regardless of what it would have done to the player culture) and spend this offseason out of the the player market and go into 2020 with the same squad and a pissed off RM? Seriously is that what you are suggesting?

I would have held out until we got something in return. And I’ll stop dumping on tigers management when they actually do something worth commending. But at this stage they’ve done nothing to earn my respect. We’ve lost our best player and got nothing in return and all we’ve signed (officially) is Billy Walters. I’m extremely happy that you have such unbelievably low expectations that you are pleased with that, but some people want a bit more.

And onto your first point. Matterson we signed up at a bargain rate. Imo he’s a 500-600k player who was on the fringe of SOO last year. We let him go for no compensation and his replacement we have signed up for the same money even though he’s probably at best a 250-300k player. Not sure how you’d be happy with that but anyway.

Unfortunately until the club starts to actually do something worth commending there will be a lot more monotony to come from me. I suggest your best course of action would be to mark me as foe so you don’t have to go through the inconvenience of reading my posts.

I hope you are wrong Avo but time will tell. Looking at the 25 players ready to go for next year we have a young side with plenty of potential, and we don't have to improve much to go from ninth to eighth. McIntyre and Seyfarth could go to the next level as Mikaele did, and if they do our pack isn't as light on as it looks. Dylan Smith is a fullback should he be needed, and Tommy Talau could be just about anything. Fair enough, we are still light on in a couple of areas, but there are still signings to go. Take some of that $3 from Sportsbet to make the eight!

 

[Tiger5150]

The kid needs to go to the Players association for assistance. Denying him the right to sign a professional contract, support his family out of spite for us is very wrong. It has nothing to do with the player, and everything to do with us.
We even gave them Matto for free and now they won't release a 19 year old who's currently their 7th choice at prop?

This just again shows what a grubby club they are !


They have at least 4 of our players at the moment (Ray Stone, Moses, Brown and Matterson) possible others I can't remember

But I wouldn't expect anything different from them

Well maybe we should have some backbone and not release players prematurely? If we had have held out from releasing Matterson we could have used that as a bargaining chip. But we didn't, so here we are. Again.


Yeah thats the spirit!!!! Of course that would have meant that we couldnt have made an offer to Latrell, couldnt have signed Leilua or been involved in the player market, but yeah, we taught Matterson a lesson and looked like tough guys. Shame the player culture has taken a nose dive and there is unrest between the whole player group, but doesnt matter because we feel like tough guys.

If Bellamy was in charge do you think he would have released Matterson with nothing in return? Of course he wouldn’t have.

Ps we didn’t get Mitchell so moot point, and DT reporting we’ve signed LL on $400k a year, which is WAY overs.

Avo, do you see the irony in what you are saying? You are saying we shouldnt have let Matterson go, but complaining that we have bought a player for too much? These too things are mutually exclusive.

Mate this is a genuine post from me. You are constantly bleating and dumping on Tigers management and thats fair enough, thats your opinion and even though I find it monotonous, predicatble and boring, you are entitled to it.

Let me ask you a serious question. You would prefer that we forced Matterson to stay (regardless of what it would have done to the player culture) and spend this offseason out of the the player market and go into 2020 with the same squad and a pissed off RM? Seriously is that what you are suggesting?

I would have held out until we got something in return.

Ok so you didnt answer the question directly but paraphrasing...."yes, I would have held out and kept a poisonous canker within our club and prevented the club from pursuing other better options to improve the squad. What if Parra said "No worries we will wait"?

>And I’ll stop dumping on tigers management when they actually do something worth commending. But at this stage they’ve done nothing to earn my respect. We’ve lost our best player and got nothing in return and all we’ve signed (officially) is Billy Walters. I’m extremely happy that ***you have such unbelievably low expectations*** that you are pleased with that, but some people want a bit more.

Ok, go back and read my post to you. I was gracious. I said I disagree with your POV but didnt denigrate you, you are obviously less gracious. You are also wrong and ignorant. I have unbelievably HIGH expectations, borne from watching and loving this club for a long lifetime as well as a professional lifetime of running business. My expectations are that this clubs management will be active and PROACTIVE. Not sit on their hands making stupid facile virtue signalling points, trying to look tough whilst achieving nothing. I expect them to try to make things happen and improve things, cut out the poison, get in new blood, make changes and THANK GOD, that is exactly what is happening....whereas you would be happy to keep Matterson to "prove a point" and ***entrench*** the status quo. God help us if that happened.


And onto your first point. Matterson we signed up at a bargain rate. Imo he’s a 500-600k player who was on the fringe of SOO last year.

I agree with you that he is worth $500K, coincidentally that is almost exactly what his contract was with the Tigers for 2020.


We let him go for no compensation and his replacement we have signed up for the same money even though he’s probably at best a 250-300k player. Not sure how you’d be happy with that but anyway.

I totally believe you when you say you are not sure why I'd be happy with that despite the fact that I have spelled out clearly in everyone of my posts about this that I am happy because a) we got rid of a poisonous cancer within the club that was so toxic that his team mates kicked him out of an EOY function and Chris McQueen IG'ed that photo...and b) as a result of him leaving the Tigers are able to be active in the player market during the offseason to try to build this squad into something that can achieve some success, you know..... like doing something positive. I have made my reasons for being happy about it ***clearly*** but I understand you still arent sure why because your blindly negative focus results in ignorance.

Unfortunately until the club starts to actually do something worth commending there will be a lot more monotony to come from me.

I wish I was as confident of the sun coming up tomorrow as I am of you continuing to be monotonous.

I wish this club would actually do something commendable, like....I dunno...maybe like..

* Sign a premiership winning coach.

* Appoint our major sponsor as chairman with a long history of successful business and legal acumen behind him,

* Manage a salary cap that was left totally out of control by the previous coach to a point where we reportedly have $1.7M available for 2020 and $5M for 2021

* Start clearing out deadwood from the roster

* Start signing up some of the best junior talent around including multiple junior kangaroos

* Successfully lobby, gain approval for, fund, design and start construction of a Centre of Excellence.

* Consolidate the board with the removal of Wests v Balmain factions and implementation of independent members to take away factionalism.

* Actively, publicly and aggressively pursue some of the best players in the NRL.


>I suggest your best course of action would be to mark me as foe so you don’t have to go through the inconvenience of reading my posts.

Thanks for your suggestion, but Ill make my own decisions. My gut feel is that Ill probably just ignore your posts from now on because they are so totally devoid of logic, intelligence or merit that they are not worthy of response and you have shown yourself as a person not capable of having a conversation with in good faith. Ill probably not mark you as a foe though because to be honest, although your posts are usually inanely monotonous, occassionally you post something so totally moronic that I get a huge belly laugh and I dont want to deprive myself of that sort of entertainment. I may also at my discretion occassionally correct you.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Get a room guys.

 

[avocadoontoast]

occassionally you post something so totally moronic that I get a huge belly laugh and I dont want to deprive myself of that sort of entertainment

See, and that's why this forum is great! If someone can get laugh then that's fantastic. And thanks for remaining gracious, although I didn't know being called a moron was a term of endearment.

As for all your points of where the club is a success, let me know when that leads to success on the FIELD. They could sign Jesus as coach and have the best facilities on the planet but if they don't win anything, who cares. I don't.

I've enjoyed interacting with you this afternoon Glenn and i'm sure WT are extremely happy to have a fan as gullible as yourself supporting them through thick and thin, without even a modicum of success expected. Have a great weekend.

 

[avocadoontoast]

I hope you are wrong Avo but time will tell.

Look I hope I am too and i'm happy to eat my words if there are some good signings. But heading into 2020 we are a worse team than we were in 2019. That's just the facts. Hoping we can recruit some good talent between now and the start of the season.

 

[Tim Sheens]

So we've missed this guy now?
Like Fiji Reggie's?
Like Latrell?
I'm seeing a pattern

Missed for 2020, for now. He’s signed to us from 2021. If they want to spend 2020 developing a kid who will be gone the year after, let them. Shows what idiots they are.

But they won't develop him. They'll leave him to rot in reserves or even Flegg.

And that is the only potential problem that I have in not getting him early. It is not like the Matterson situation, as he is only 19 and on a development deal, so they can pretty well do what they like with him.

 

[Tiger5150]

As for all your points of where the club is a success, let me know when that leads to success on the FIELD. They could sign Jesus as coach and have the best facilities on the planet ***but if they don't win anything, who cares. I don't.***

Ah.....you are ***THAT*** kind of fan. That makes sense and makes things clearer. Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[avocadoontoast]

As for all your points of where the club is a success, let me know when that leads to success on the FIELD. They could sign Jesus as coach and have the best facilities on the planet ***but if they don't win anything, who cares. I don't.***


Ah.....you are***THAT*** kind of fan. That makes sense and makes things clearer. Happy Thanksgiving.

Thanks Glenn, but I live in Australia. We don't celebrate Thanksgiving here. Happy Thanksgiving to you though, wherever you are.

And yes...call me old fashioned but I want sporting teams that I follow to win... I am ***THAT*** kind of fan.