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[NJLM78]

In my opinion weakest teams are Cowboys and Manly who we have got both in the next 3 weeks. Should put both those two away easily let’s hope

If we can’t beat cowboys and manly then serious questions need to be asked. Great to compete with the undefeated eels for 74 minutes but that means nothing if we can beat those two.

Unfortunately, our history would tell us that these will be the hardest two games for the Tigers to win.

 

[diedpretty]

Our disallowed try early and Gutherson's 'onside' at the finish both had about the same amount of doubt about them, yet one is pulled up and the other awarded. 12 point swing. Very hard to win close matches without the officials giving you the rub of the green.
Ditto for the 'not played at' decision when their bloke knocked it over the sideline after our guy kicked it. Pretty much exact same scenario yesterday was ruled as 'played at' by Tariq Sims and Newcastle got the ball back. Lottery-like officiating is head-scratchingly bad.

Another thing about the refereeing. There was one point where we made a dominant tackle on our line, the ref made our tackler get off him straight away. Next tackle crash ball, quick play of the ball. Next play they score.

I'm taking back what I said about these new rules. What the heck is that? That's rugby league 101 - if you smash someone, you are entitled to flop around on top of them for a few seconds. Now I finally see what people mean about the game becoming touch footy.

Yep, the new rules have gone too far, especially the set restarts.

When we were down 8 with about 5min to go, there was a sequence where the ref gave us 2 or 3 set restarts but it was on tackle 1 and in our own half. In that situation, we are better off kicking for touch and getting better field position. An extra tackle or 2 in our own half is almost worthless.

Same as when a team knocks on. There were times we dived onthe ball and got 6 again, but lost 20m. Why not a scrum back where the 1st knock on took place?

They are trying to speed the game up too much and going away from the rules. It's becoming too chaotic and I honestly think it is to gloss over referee decisions.

There is simply no time for replays anymore. They replaced the talau "forward pass" once, with the worst camera angle.

Captains can't even ask refs for an explanation or interpretation. Thanks Cameron Smith

The 6 again rule needs to be tweeked. Should only be in the attacking 30 mtr zone. All others should be non goal kicking penalties. Sides are just using the 6 again in opposition half to set their defensive line. If they are giving up 30 mtrs instead of an extra tackle the number of restarts will fall dramatically.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think we all need to settle down here we could have won today And we really didn’t play that well.
Eels are a top 4 team this was a huge effort from the boys we have a lot of winnable games coming up we always new the first month of the season was going to be tough

And if Parra hang onto the ball early in the 2nd half ....

 

[diedpretty]

I’m seeing too many similarities in the 2021 side to those of the past......if we somehow jag 8th this year we have significantly overachieved... our defence is second rate and our attack is disjointed...we never looked like making a good break today

the stats from the game don't show that at all - our defence had a 88% effective tackle rate to their 87%. We missed 5 more tackles than them but had half the number of ineffective tackles. In attack we completed at 83% to their 76% - we had more runs, more run mtrs and more PCM. We averaged more mtrs per set and had faster play the balls. We had 23 offloads to their 9 ( and they are supposedly the offload kings ). So overall we matched or bettered them in just about every facet. The difference is we dont have those 1 or 2 players that can turn the game. I hate Moses and his schoolboy whine all game but he controlled the game far better than our halves. I also hate Gutherson with a passion but he also has that ability to create something from nothing. We are lacking these type of players.

 

[Papacito]

I love to look for positives, but I don't get the whole 'we almost won'.

The Eels nearly put 40 points on us and we never led or looked in control. We came close for a few minutes at the end, but it didn't last long.

The stats from this match say a lot.

We beat the Eels in almost every area except the scoreboard.

For mine this says we have a weak roster that is playing to or above their ability.

A few of the new guys are playing really well, but as a team I honestly can't see us making the top 8.

 

[Sco77y]

Ditto for the ‘not played at’ decision when their bloke knocked it over the sideline after our guy kicked it.

We 100% would've had the opposite decision called if it was the other way around. Isn't it a knock on by the defending player in that scenario? I've seen this happen to us many times.. Go in for a tackle, ball is kicked into our player's arm and it's ruled a knock on. We do always seem to come out on the wrong end of these hard luck stories.

 

[Telltails]

I love to look for positives, but I don't get the whole 'we almost won'.

The Eels nearly put 40 points on us and we never led or looked in control. We came close for a few minutes at the end, but it didn't last long.

The stats from this match say a lot.

We beat the Eels in almost every area except the scoreboard.

For mine this says we have a weak roster that is playing to or above their ability.

A few of the new guys are playing really well, but as a team I honestly can't see us making the top 8.

Me either. There would have to be monumental growth.

 

[the_third]

Thank god our draw gets easier. Can definitely pick up a food 5-6 wins in our next 8 games or more if they don't kill themselves on the field with discipline.

Yes agree

We have 2 points, 2 from the bye and (historically) need 30-32 points to make the top 8. (2019 25 points, 2020 20 points)

A max of 26-28 points needed from the following games.

Beating the bottom group is 14 points. They are must win
The middle group is where we show what we are about. 7 games that need to get us 6 wins. Then beating the top 4 teams is not needed, nor relying on others.

SOO makes some of our upcoming games easier on paper

**Upcoming - not in order**
Bunnies x2 (rd 16 after SOO)
Storm
Panthers x2 (rd 13 bye)
Eels (rd 14 after SOO)

Titans
Knights
Warriors x2
Dragons x2
Sharks

Broncos (rd 18 after SOO)
Cowboys x2
Sea Eagles x2
Dogs x2

 

[finnzo]

Thank god our draw gets easier. Can definitely pick up a food 5-6 wins in our next 8 games or more if they don't kill themselves on the field with discipline.


Yes agree

We have 2 points, 2 from the bye and (historically) need 30-32 points to make the top 8. (2019 25 points, 2020 20 points)

A max of 26-28 points needed from the following games.

Beating the bottom group is 14 points. They are must win
The middle group is where we show what we are about. 7 games that need to get us 6 wins. Then beating the top 4 teams is not needed, nor relying on others.

SOO makes some of our upcoming games easier on paper

**Upcoming - not in order**
Bunnies x2 (rd 16 after SOO)
Storm
Panthers x2 (rd 13 bye)
Eels (rd 14 after SOO)

Titans
Knights
Warriors x2
Dragons x2
Sharks

Broncos (rd 18 after SOO)
Cowboys x2
Sea Eagles x2
Dogs x2

I went through the ladder predictor if we beat every team
In the bottom half of the 8 we will make it and that’s all that matters

 

[supercoach]

Looking at our draw I give us zero chance of a top eight finish. We would have to basically beat every team, that’s factoring in we will get beaten by the Chooks,Penrith, Storm,Parra,Souths and Canberra.
I have no problem with that as long as there is real signs we are on the way up and we improve weekly and there are no big dips.

The majority of our recent signings have been very good, we just have to keep filling the weak spots. It takes a long time to turn things around, there is no quick fix

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Just wondering how many wins us supporters realistically thought we would have from these first 4 games?
I would've said more than likely 0 or 1 (against Newcastle). Did not expect at all to beat Canberra away or the stacked Roosters. Was reasonably confident of a closely fought game with Newcastle, the win was a bonus. Didn't really give us much hope against Parra but we have them a bit of a scare.
We are where most of us would've expected us to be so not sure why so many meltdowns amongst our fans.
If we get beat this weekend then fair enough, rip into the players, Madge etc.
Fact is we are a 'making up the numbers' team this year, no surprise there TBH. If we can somehow sign 2 or 3 class players this offseason we can make a significant leap up the heirachy ladder.

 

[izotope]

Just wondering how many wins us supporters realistically thought we would have from these first 4 games?
I would've said more than likely 0 or 1 (against Newcastle). Did not expect at all to beat Canberra away or the stacked Roosters. Was reasonably confident of a closely fought game with Newcastle, the win was a bonus. Didn't really give us much hope against Parra but we have them a bit of a scare.
We are where most of us would've expected us to be so not sure why so many meltdowns amongst our fans.
If we get beat this weekend then fair enough, rip into the players, Madge etc.
Fact is we are a 'making up the numbers' team this year, no surprise there TBH. If we can somehow sign 2 or 3 class players this offseason we can make a significant leap up the heirachy ladder.

Probably correct 1-3, however thought they would of been playing much better, competing for longer periods. Faded after 40 minutes v Canberra, obliterated by the roosters, won newcastle with a decent performance, comprehensively beaten by parra

Been a Madge fan but the team is going backwards, even though its probably our best roster in 3 years.

Hoping he can turn the ship around but used most my hope tickets up the last 10 years

 

[tigerap]

I’m seeing too many similarities in the 2021 side to those of the past......if we somehow jag 8th this year we have significantly overachieved... our defence is second rate and our attack is disjointed...we never looked like making a good break today


the stats from the game don't show that at all - our defence had a 88% effective tackle rate to their 87%. We missed 5 more tackles than them but had half the number of ineffective tackles. In attack we completed at 83% to their 76% - we had more runs, more run mtrs and more PCM. We averaged more mtrs per set and had faster play the balls. We had 23 offloads to their 9 ( and they are supposedly the offload kings ). So overall we matched or bettered them in just about every facet. The difference is we dont have those 1 or 2 players that can turn the game. I hate Moses and his schoolboy whine all game but he controlled the game far better than our halves. I also hate Gutherson with a passion but he also has that ability to create something from nothing. We are lacking these type of players.

I accept your stats, just telling how I feel...we just seem to know how to lose games and struggle to win them!

 

[kiwitiger]

I'll take a breath but don't ask me to hold my breath for this club to play finals footy

 

[finnzo]

I'll take a breath but don't ask me to hold my breath for this club to play finals footy

Fair enough mate haha

 

[diedpretty]

I’m seeing too many similarities in the 2021 side to those of the past......if we somehow jag 8th this year we have significantly overachieved... our defence is second rate and our attack is disjointed...we never looked like making a good break today


the stats from the game don't show that at all - our defence had a 88% effective tackle rate to their 87%. We missed 5 more tackles than them but had half the number of ineffective tackles. In attack we completed at 83% to their 76% - we had more runs, more run mtrs and more PCM. We averaged more mtrs per set and had faster play the balls. We had 23 offloads to their 9 ( and they are supposedly the offload kings ). So overall we matched or bettered them in just about every facet. The difference is we dont have those 1 or 2 players that can turn the game. I hate Moses and his schoolboy whine all game but he controlled the game far better than our halves. I also hate Gutherson with a passion but he also has that ability to create something from nothing. We are lacking these type of players.

I accept your stats, just telling how I feel...we just seem to know how to lose games and struggle to win them!

I was only using the stats to show we are doing the basics reasonably well. However they don't show our failure to defend mistakes or the fact that we don't have any real game breakers.

 

[Dyloh]

Expectations are a lil too high in my opinion. We signed some bad contracts over the last couple of years and fully expected us to struggle till 2024. Club probably should shoulder a bit of the blame after making such a big deal about cracking the semis knowing full well the contract shenanigans that they’ve signed off on.