Taylor no longer sole selector

[goldcoast_tiger]

Felt sorry for Potter in that he had no control over the structures and players around him. Taylor was signed and told he would be given free reign, but apparently that is no longer the case. If the tigers do not trust him to coach, they should sack him. If the club has usurped Taylor role through O'Neills appointment, he should leave and sue for breach of contract. If we are in the market for a new coach, who would sign up for this mess

There is 0% chance that JT was given total control as a contractual right so he'll have no basis to "sue" the club. It's not the USA…

If Buckets is more involved, don't you think that JTs record with us ( equal last , last year. And equal 12th so far this year( Equal 11th if you don't count Parra) is a good enough reason to believe he needs all the help he can get.?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

i dont like it..

players play
coaches coach
adminstrators administrate

o'neil is welcome to give his opinion to the coach and what he would like and why but JT/headcoach should always have the final say. if you dont like what he's doing, then punt him, dont go over his head.

you can only be accountable if no one interferes with your job, this way mark oneil is giving him an easy "well he didnt let me pick my team" excuse.

How do we know that JT hasn't got the final say and buckets isn't merely giving him another opinion, God knows he needs it. Hasn't this forum been inundated with complaints about selections for the last couple of months,

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Guys - I think it's not the best if Taylor isn't picking the team but it's probably not as simple as what is being stated. This week's team has Rankin dropping out for JAC. That is a great decision.

I don't care if Buckets or Jt, or both, are picking this team . Four or five weeks ago,the only way that Rankin would have been turfed for JAC, would have been if Rankin had burnt down JT'S house.

If TT was correct in his earlier posts ,( and it seems so).
Rankin was one of the favoured few, Now both him and Sironen have been dropped. something has changed, for the better.
Although I would have preferred To see Rankin in a different position, not right out.

And you know this to be fact do you? That's interesting !

Not really Geo,
What I said was. "if what TT was correct in his earlier post"
Just like Garry B, (in his earlier post ) , I don't know if it's fact or not, and Never said that I did

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Maybe I'm old school. I just think the coach should pick the team. It's his team. And I also think the coach should be respected enough to be able to coach on game day without being assessed from behind like some untrustworthy school kid.

 

[Telltails]

If anything it takes some pressure off Taylor. I was guilty of assuming he dropped Sirro based on his father's dig - so I was pleased to hear that it was a performance based decision and not just a reaction fom the coach.
With some inferences about discontent between players and coach neither can accuse the other now of letting personal relationships effect selections.
In my view that leads to a much more professional approach and if anything puts most of the accountability back on the players.

 

[everett]

One thing I can not understand is our use of resources.

Jason Taylor was an excellent goal kicker and still holds records. Why can't he pass his skills onto a couple of our players?

Mark O'Neill and David Kidwell were both tough and aggressive second rowers. Again are they imparting their knowledge on to our players.

I think Liam Fulton could come on board and teach his excellent tackling technique to our players and Bryce Gibbs could assist with our line speed.

We have great people attached to our club however we need them to impart their knowledge and experience to our current squad.

Should be no reason why Aliola, Lovett and Lawrence with the correct training could not develop into hard running, great defensive second rowers.

Simon Dwyer is someone else who could teach the players as well.

 

[Bones]

One thing I can not understand is our use of resources.

Jason Taylor was an excellent goal kicker and still holds records. Why can't he pass his skills onto a couple of our players?

Mark O'Neill and David Kidwell were both tough and aggressive second rowers. Again are they imparting their knowledge on to our players.

I think Liam Fulton could come on board and teach his excellent tackling technique to our players and Bryce Gibbs could assist with our line speed.

We have great people attached to our club however we need them to impart their knowledge and experience to our current squad.

Should be no reason why Aliola, Lovett and Lawrence with the correct training could not develop into hard running, great defensive second rowers.

Simon Dwyer is someone else who could teach the players as well.

Being good at something and being a good teacher are two totally different things. Most of the best coaches weren't great players.

You can teach tackling and passing but to me you can't teach aggression. You either have it or you don't and it doesn't work for everyone. That's why you buy the type of player you need.

 

[supercoach]

One thing I can not understand is our use of resources.

Jason Taylor was an excellent goal kicker and still holds records. Why can't he pass his skills onto a couple of our players?

Mark O'Neill and David Kidwell were both tough and aggressive second rowers. Again are they imparting their knowledge on to our players.

I think Liam Fulton could come on board and teach his excellent tackling technique to our players and Bryce Gibbs could assist with our line speed.

We have great people attached to our club however we need them to impart their knowledge and experience to our current squad.

Should be no reason why Aliola, Lovett and Lawrence with the correct training could not develop into hard running, great defensive second rowers.

Simon Dwyer is someone else who could teach the players as well.

All these players are over coached now, we have coaches for everything. Coaches are the biggest growth industry in the NRL. All the kids that get anywhere near NRL level know how to play football. What a coach does is fine tunes things,motivate,game plans and people manage. I think we go over the top big time with the amount of assistant coaches and support staff all clubs employ. You know one club dose it so all the rest blindly follow.

Okay you need more than just a coach, but you do not need a army either. Funny you never hear much about the coach when the team is winning,the players get the praises, but when a team looses it is always the coach that is in the firing line first.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

I think the role of O'Neill in selections is being exaggerated. I would have no doubt that JT consults his staff and O'Neill on selections.

However…..pretty simple what has happened....Wests signed a quality first grade player (Taylor) and have let go players of lesser ability (eg: Buchanan).

This is why a player of Sironen's quality had been dropped. There is more competition in the squad and there is a viable alternative in some positions than the custodian. It's not related to off field staff changes, it's just the squad having a bit more depth.

And you know this to be fact do you? That's interesting !

Yes, the squad is now stronger than at the start of the season. I think this can be treated as fact. All the other stuff….that's my opinion, like everyone else on here, including the opening post.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I think the role of O'Neill in selections is being exaggerated. I would have no doubt that JT consults his staff and O'Neill on selections.

However…..pretty simple what has happened....Wests signed a quality first grade player (Taylor) and have let go players of lesser ability (eg: Buchanan).

This is why a player of Sironen's quality had been dropped. There is more competition in the squad and there is a viable alternative in some positions than the custodian. It's not related to off field staff changes, it's just the squad having a bit more depth.

And you know this to be fact do you? That's interesting !

Yes, the squad is now stronger than at the start of the season. I think this can be treated as fact. All the other stuff….that's my opinion, like everyone else on here, including the opening post.

I agree that the squad is stronger than it was,
But the selections have changed in the last few weeks, it's not just the addition of ET. But players who were reported as being in the inner circle have actually been dropped.
I don't know if it's because of a new opinion on selections or as you say
The bottom line is that the selections are better , IMO, whether it's because of Buckets getting involved or not is irrelevant ,
I just hope that if he is, he is also having a close watch on our erratic halves.

 

[rex2ce]

Don't care who picks the team as long as results keep coming, will be over the moon if they beat the Rorters

 

[Tiger_Gaz]

An interesting article in light of discussion around Taylor:

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/2016/06/01/05/05/benji-leaps-to-farah-s-defence

 

[tig_prmz]

i dont like it..

players play
coaches coach
adminstrators administrate

o'neil is welcome to give his opinion to the coach and what he would like and why but JT/headcoach should always have the final say. if you dont like what he's doing, then punt him, dont go over his head.

you can only be accountable if no one interferes with your job, this way mark oneil is giving him an easy "well he didnt let me pick my team" excuse.

How do we know that JT hasn't got the final say and buckets isn't merely giving him another opinion, God knows he needs it. Hasn't this forum been inundated with complaints about selections for the last couple of months,

yes this forum has been complaining non stop for selection.
they complained about lovett being in the 17 week in week out but after he played city/country, his formed improved and people are surprised now that he's on the extended bench
and the other complaint has been about JAC/rankin. i highly doubt a winger makes that much of a difference to the squad.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

An interesting article in light of discussion around Taylor:

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/2016/06/01/05/05/benji-leaps-to-farah-s-defence

Ennis didn't hold back.

 

[Tigermama]

That really is some fascinating insight into Mark O'neill and how he is approaching his role. Like TigerTorch said it is not the sort of hands on approach that someone like Bennett or Bellemy would appreciate. However obviously O'Neill feels it is required here to right the ship.

I think it is good to see O'Neill is asserting some authority if he feels like selection needs a shake up. Looks like he got sick of rubbish like Milone getting picked and Buchanan and now we are rewarding PERFORMANCE. Our culture of a lack of accountability at selections has cost us for years and years in my opinion.

Looks like he has no time for the boys club of mates being picked every week. If this is the start of a cultural change I am all for it. If Taylor won't make the hard calls well done Oneill for demanding it.

Agree. A coach that doesn't make the team selections on performance, has no right coaching.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

That really is some fascinating insight into Mark O'neill and how he is approaching his role. Like TigerTorch said it is not the sort of hands on approach that someone like Bennett or Bellemy would appreciate. However obviously O'Neill feels it is required here to right the ship.

I think it is good to see O'Neill is asserting some authority if he feels like selection needs a shake up. Looks like he got sick of rubbish like Milone getting picked and Buchanan and now we are rewarding PERFORMANCE. Our culture of a lack of accountability at selections has cost us for years and years in my opinion.

Looks like he has no time for the boys club of mates being picked every week. If this is the start of a cultural change I am all for it. If Taylor won't make the hard calls well done Oneill for demanding it.

Agree. A coach that doesn't make the team selections on performance, has no right coaching.

Big tuff words Tigermama ..
spot on though

 

[Tigermama]

I do not like this post at all even if it shines some light on the internal workings of the club ..who is TT what is his position ,what gives this person the right to talk out of house .When I read and digested the entire post there seems to be an underlying theme JT, well believe what you want if I was the boss of this organisation Mr TT who ever they are would be looking for a new job . You see loyalty to ones bosses is invaluable to an organisation does not seem to much here .

I don't know who TT is and don't really care Snake. I just like all the juicy goss. True or not. :mrgreen:

 

[Russell]

An interesting article in light of discussion around Taylor:

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/2016/06/01/05/05/benji-leaps-to-farah-s-defence

Thanks for the article.

What I want to know is:

What we do at Wests Tigers - how does that concern Marshall and Ennis who both play for other teams. They both have enough concerns with themselves, to be worrying about other teams.

 

[Tigermama]

That really is some fascinating insight into Mark O'neill and how he is approaching his role. Like TigerTorch said it is not the sort of hands on approach that someone like Bennett or Bellemy would appreciate. However obviously O'Neill feels it is required here to right the ship.

I think it is good to see O'Neill is asserting some authority if he feels like selection needs a shake up. Looks like he got sick of rubbish like Milone getting picked and Buchanan and now we are rewarding PERFORMANCE. Our culture of a lack of accountability at selections has cost us for years and years in my opinion.

Looks like he has no time for the boys club of mates being picked every week. If this is the start of a cultural change I am all for it. If Taylor won't make the hard calls well done Oneill for demanding it.

Agree. A coach that doesn't make the team selections on performance, has no right coaching.

Big tuff words Tigermama ..
spot on though

LOL…
Thanks Love :wink:

 

[Tigermama]

Once again thanks very much for the update TT. More good information once again to digest. Hopefully the club pulls it's finger out and re-signs JAC. I'm not seeing any junior talent that looks more promising than him.

David Gower? No doubting the bloke gives his all and has a good workrate but I'd be looking to invest those dollars in someone like Esan Marsters/Bayley Sironen. We're just starting to see a really good balance with our forward pack and I'd be looking to invest in Felise/Tatola/Marsters/Sironen as far as forward prospects go. I think Kharwin would go alright in the backrow if he can get his discipline under control and improve his fitness.

If JT is not going to be here for 2018, is there any talk of who may be considered? I'm assuming Payten would be one option…Toovey another?

Hopefully the team continues it's upward trend in form and stability.

I wonder if Buckets has any inspiration to become a coach?
He's got the footy brains for it. Not to mention he's a very good man-manager.